Hostility on CC

SeekingJC · May 23, 2013

Brother in my opinion the mods aren't the issue. The rules aren't the issue. The mods should simply be on patrol for non-believing trouble makers. You know the people that either want to indoctrinate us into whatever wacky thing they are smokin at the time or the people that wanna come "poke the Christians".

As Christians we are called to be loving, kind, HUMBLE, etc. And I have to agree it seems we forget these things sometimes to simply make a point. For example I made a thread about possible other earth type planets. I wanted to see if anyone could give me some scripture to either prove/disprove that there could be. And it eventually turned into self proclaimed Christians ridiculing other Christians because of how they interpreted scripture! It's sad and pains me to see it.

I'm currently thinking of leaving CC because most of the bible "discussion" posts turn into ridicule and condecention. Seriously read almost any Thead with more that 1 page of replies and tell me where there is charity and humility... I don't want to leave, I've met some amazing people on here that I'm proud to call my siblings in Christ. And even if I disagree with them I try my best to see there point of view and not be too forceful with my own. Sometimes I fail but I try. The only exception is when someone that claims Christianity is speaking contrary to scripture (you know who you are).

Hate, hubris, condescension, ridicule have no place amongst true believers. I think we all need to take a good look in the mirror and ask if Jesus would be proud of how we conduct ourselves.

God Bless You All,

SeekingJC

RickShafer · May 23, 2013

It's a Bible Forum.
It's not a fellowship hall.
You do realize in the past that some 'christians' have killed other christians for their beliefs.
Nothing even remotely like that is going on here.
The truth is serious.
Everyone on here believes what they write with all their heart,......or else they wouldn't write it.
Iron sharpens iron,....hopefully we can learn from each other.

I would much rather have the right to freedom of expression with the risk of offending others and being offended myself......
then to repose in error for the sake of, (for lack of a better term) - "brotherhood".
There are "brotherhoods" that are based on evil intentions where people get along swimmingly.
No one I have debated with here has had any of those.
We just sometimes disagree.

I, for one, think it is healthy to debate the different interpretations of the scripture so people who read it can be exposed to differing views, and check it out for themselves.

1still_waters · May 23, 2013

People who want CC to be this seamless, conflict free experience, where there is no perceived ridicule/anger/drama/whatever, truly have no idea what they're asking for. Truly they don't

If people think moderator intrusion is too much now, just imagine if we went over every word and measured it for perceived emotional intention. Imagine if we just banned someone for the slightest level of perceived "whatever".

Also those who want a stricter standard/rule in order to keep the peace, may in fact become the victim of their own standard, that is unless everything they've ever said/typed on CC is oh so cottony soft. Which I'm sure isn't the case for most.

1still_waters · May 23, 2013

So I guess to sum it up.
CC can guarantee that you won't be 100% satisfied with everything.

Cuz if we have a more strict standard/rule for keeping the peace, then you'll be mad because you or your friends get banned so easily.

But if we allow for give and take, and allow for some dander raising, in hopes folks will show some grace, then you'll be mad because there is hate/hostility/ridicule/lack of unity/fill in the adjective, on CC.

SeekingJC · May 23, 2013

That's not what I'm saying I'm for less government

. I'm saying we ought to be able as Christians to moderate ourselves. It great to disagree with people thats how we learn but there are ways to do it with respect. There simply is no reasonable excuse for ridicule and/or condescension when your presenting opposing viewpoint other then you have no respect for the person your discussing things with.

Again not saying you need more rules or more moderating I'm saying we need to moderate ourselves.

Ariel82 · May 23, 2013

1still_waters said:

1still_waters I think ya'll are doing a great job.

People need to remember even God gave people enough rope to hang themselves with.

Genesis 15
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

God waited until their immorality and injustice and inhumanity reached a certain level before He sent His judgement and their destruction upon them.

In addition, there is this parable about giving people time to grow and change:

Luke 13

[h=3][/h][SUP]6 [/SUP]He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that[SUP][a][/SUP] you can cut it down.’”

Ariel82 · May 23, 2013

SeekingJC said:

to put it bluntly:

people need to grow up and mature in the Lord......

James 3

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

1 Corinthians 3[h=3][/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; [SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: [SUP]22 [/SUP]whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

GreenNnice · May 23, 2013

The Lord leads.
I've got no idea what stilledwater's or any of the other moderators jobs are like, they have REIN IN an awful lot of REAL disturbing stuff , and, that in itself likely wears on them and, hopefully, prayerfully, they, too, go to God for strength, because He gives it, so they can do things 'possible' in this forum. Philippians 4:13

But, yeah, I get it, it's tough to understand folks on here, and, I get a little unruly, too, over the judgmentalism and such, but I just hope and pray that I am just following Him. I UNDERSTAND where folks are coming from a lot of times and I see that their DOCTRINE is what's at issue, not their foundation in believing in Jesus Christ. And, that is something that MUST be given to my Saviour and Lord, Jesus Christ; He wants us to pray to Him for direction and understanding and realize that

-------The first six verses, for gaining all Solomon says we are to gain HINGE on the 7th verse. Perfect, huh ?

The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel: 2for gaining wisdom and instruction;
for understanding words of insight;
3for receiving instruction in prudent behavior,
doing what is right and just and fair;
4for giving prudence to those who are simple,[SUP]a[/SUP]
knowledge and discretion to the young—
5let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
6for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.[SUP]b[/SUP]

7The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,

but fools[SUP]c[/SUP] despise wisdom and instruction.

This verse seven really does say it all, we are to realize the Lord is in control of our lives. I don't care if it's the Old Testament either, for all those going to say it don't matter anymore, it's obsolete, done away with, as Hebrews says, IT DOES MATTER. And, 'it' in this case is Him. He matters ! We are to fear the Lord still today ! Nothing's changed, and, we have a Helper inside us to help us LEARN how we should 'fear' Him. That fear is not a 'I'm scared to go around you fear,' but, instead, a fear of NOT doing what He commands us to do in Scripture and working in our life, speaking to us with His still, small voice, that will be based on the statutes and law of His Love shown us in Scripture

1 JOhn 3:16 should REALLY help us to end ALL hostility with our brothers and sisters., and, I will add 'God's commands' verse and others for complete context for you all

Rather, for WE all , which there is no greater Love than this....

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16By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers (and, don't forget, 'sisters,' too, this means 'brethren,' those who are fighting the SAME good fight of following Christ as you, having been 'born again.'). 17But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him? 18Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

19By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 20for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him. 23And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God,[SUP]d[/SUP] and God[SUP]e[/SUP] in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

crossnote · May 23, 2013

I have no answers. I can only speak for myself. ..I would rather be yelled at with the truth than sugar coated with falsehood and deceit...but of course speaking the truth in love is the best course.

cavil51 · May 23, 2013

ShyForHim said:

ShyForHim,
I understand completely where you are coming from. After an initial foray many moons ago into a thread, I no longer normally ~debate~ a position. I had made my position clear from the onset but others, supposed ~christians~, felt the need to attack pretty much everything I had stated. Consequently, when I do interject in to a thread now, I usually state my position and post a link defending / substantiating that position.
What you are seeing in the forums (and it occurs in the chats also) is the necessity for some to have the ~LAST WORD~.
This, honestly ShyForHim, is a manifestation of pride. Either personal pride if the individual is an un-believer or spiritual pride if the individual proclaim's themself to be a believer. Either, honestly, is onerous to me.
If I align myself with God's word/will (which can be found in the bible) then I am at least ~right~ with God.
(You will see people now attack this statement, ShyForHim, ~How do you know it's God's wiil? - How do you know that your interpretation is the correct one? - How do you know the scripture isn't corrupted? - The list, sadly, of protestations is endless.)
My prayer, ShyForHim, EVERY TIME I enter chat(s) is simply this: Not My Way Lord, but Thy Way - Not My Word Lord, but Thy Word - Not My Will Lord, BUT THY WILL.

psychomom · May 23, 2013

1still_waters said:

Yup. There it is, sir.

Because each of our perceptions is different. And perception shapes 'reality'.

Right down to the emotional tenor we would consider offensive in a post written by someone with whom we disagree, we cheer in a post of a 'friend' (for that battle, anyway.

)

Humans, man.

inge · May 23, 2013

Of course not everyone is the same way sensitive. So one person is earlier upset than another one. Still I think it must be possible to say "I am grieved/hurt by your reaction". It would be nice when a person understands this is real. But a forum like this is internet. I think when we agree on disagree that is the best in a forum. It is not a church, in a church we have certain rules when it comes to how we treat each other. I feel sometimes a person does not see the sincere thinking, pain behind topics or reactions and through internet it is even less easy to keep normal social ways of dealing with each other. We do not see faces nor the hurt or other non-verbal signals. This makes me just pick/choose/concider even more what I say or not. It can be like just hanging your own "wanted-poster".

Next to that. My experience is that debating is sometimes less easy with Christians than with agnostics, witches, atheists or whatever. This is, I think, because we feel like we need to protect God and the Bible somehow (and us from "falling away") and we also interpret certain verses as us being warriors with the Bible as sword and than hit each other with the Bible. I have to say I also did/do that sometimes....it is using knowledge of the Bible than in a wrong way. Sometimes I feel so much unrighteousness that I jump on it before thinking if God wants me to speak/write this way.

But I am glad I can learn

Moetown · May 23, 2013

I would also becareful to assume that sarcasm is always wrong. When Elijah battle the 400 false prophets and they failed to produce results, he said to them;
"You'll have to shout louder," he scoffed, "for surely he is a god! Perhaps he is daydreaming, or is relieving himself. Or maybe he is away on a trip, or is asleep and needs to be wakened!'

teuful_hunden · May 23, 2013

ShyForHim said:

I'm not sure what about you guys, but I've seen way too much hostility here on the forums lately. Not sure about the chat because I tend to have my sound silenced and all. But the forums.. are swarmed with hatred. Is this the example you guys give to the newcomers? Seriously?

I'm deeply hurt people fight over God's Word. Just because our opinions vary, it certainly shouldn't create a war about it. We all love God equally, don't we? So what's the reward of the fights? I understand when you try to explain someone who got the wrong idea about something in the Bible, but some of you really need to set aside all the hateful comments, racist and all of that.

What example are you giving to God?

I myself am trying to get to know God's love further, and Christians are the ones who should be revealing it. But the way I see it, there's often none..

why are you so hostile to my hostility?

GreenNnice · May 24, 2013

jmildea:

Do you believe in Christ, that God sent His only begotten Son to the cross, as a propitiation for our sins ?

If you do, despite your wrestling with "Jesus is God," then you are 'Christian."

Maybe, this makes it easier for you, let's take God out of the equation for a second, OK?

Now, we have Jesus, right? And, Jesus came from heaven in the Holy Spirit form, and, 'Holy Spirit' is always capitalized, right, just like 'Jesus,' and, just like, OH, I took Him out of the equation, didn't I

So, here we have this man Jesus on Earth living, who, eventually in his life, toward the end of it, or, was it even, after He died and rose again? Anyway, what is truth is that Jesus said that BEFORE He went away, that is, ascended to His Father (oops, I wasn't suppose to mention God

) in heaven, He would give mankind,--starting off with His 11 disciples--a Helper.

NOw, this 'Helper' is in capital letters in Scripture, that's important to note, is it not ? The Helper is who? The Holy Spirit. Now, Jesus, and, we come to God back into the equation, sent Jesus to Earth through His seed, so, God if of the Holy Spirit, or, the Holy Spirit is of God, probably the latter makes more sense

So, can you see, JM, that God-->Holy Spirit<---Jesus . God IS the Holy Spirit . Jesus IS that Helper, who is the Holy Spirit, yet all three of the Divine act independently in nature, but they still are One . God is allowed to do that, isn't He ? He can do that, can't He . Sure, He can. He has the power to manifest Himself into three different persons.

Another question, if Scripture says that Jesus was around at the beginning of the foundations of the world, that is, when God created the heavens and the Earth, 'in the beginning,' then, wasn't Jesus, God ? I mean, where else was Jesus? He was the promised child right in SCripture prophecy, like Isaiah prophesying, of 'His coming.' God sent His Son into our world, but Jesus was God, the Word was made flesh. God is 'the Word.' John 1:1 points this truth out.

These verses further show us that God was revealed to us in the flesh, through manifesting Himself as Jesus, and, His Holy Spirit can be seen here, too, being a part of 'God' and 'the flesh' (Jesus) .

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Tim. 3:16

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