Hour of Temptation

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Ruby123

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You would have to prove that.
Because I see in Mathew 24, after the tribulation he will send angels to gather his people from the earth,
In revelation, I see the command to not harm those with the seal of Christ,
And a sea of people who came through the tribulation. I also see those who don't take the mark of the beast, who would only do so because they believe in Jesus.
It could be referring to the people who become christians during the tribulation and have not taken the mark of the beast, the church haven already been taken away by rapture before that all starts. That is my hope.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#22
It could be referring to the people who become christians during the tribulation and have not taken the mark of the beast, the church haven already been taken away by rapture before that all starts. That is my hope.
Prove that by scripture.
Because read Mathew 24. There is no mention of the believers being removed until after the tribulation of that day.
 
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pottersclay

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#24
Yeah, those who endure to their end, are those saved.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
But the believing gentiles have a end before Israel.
 
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pottersclay

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It could be referring to the people who become christians during the tribulation and have not taken the mark of the beast, the church haven already been taken away by rapture before that all starts. That is my hope.
These are the ones who were saved by there own blood not taking the mark.
 

JaumeJ

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It could be referring to the people who become christians during the tribulation and have not taken the mark of the beast, the church haven already been taken away by rapture before that all starts. That is my hope.
Reading in Daniel of what I understand to be the tribulation, there are people of understanding who help and guide those who are to be saved.

The thought never occurred to me and most others that our Father, Who is Love, would abandon those seeking truth without help from those who understand.

Perhaps you are correct, but I cannot attain to believing so. Love and blessings in Jesus-Yeshua ... j
 

luigi

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But the believing gentiles have a end before Israel.
I'm not sure what your point is, but mine is that those who endure to their end, whether it means their dying or continuing on under adverse conditions, while maintaining their faith in love, truth, and justice, (spiritual reverences), are they who will be saved.
 

TabinRivCA

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#29
I'm not sure what your point is, but mine is that those who endure to their end, whether it means their dying or continuing on under adverse conditions, while maintaining their faith in love, truth, and justice, (spiritual reverences), are they who will be saved.
The trib is the wrath of God, that has never been poured out on His kids. However, those saved after the taking out of The Restrainer' including Jews will be in the middle of it.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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The trib is the wrath of God, that has never been poured out on His kids. However, those saved after the taking out of The Restrainer' including Jews will be in the middle of it.
It's written in revelation, that the horse men and the plagues and the locusts from the pit are given power to do harm but not to harm those with the seal of God on them. It's only Christians that have the seal of God on them. If Christians were raptured then there would be no one with the seal of God on them.
 

luigi

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The trib is the wrath of God, that has never been poured out on His kids. However, those saved after the taking out of The Restrainer' including Jews will be in the middle of it.
The tribulation, which is also referred to as the day of the Lord in the OT, has commenced, with many Christians in many parts of the world currently undergoing persecutions and death on a far greater scale than has been seen in many years. Even here in the U.S., though there is no direct persecution of Christians for their faith, many nonetheless are experiencing more dire situations every day as the current world orders continue on into greater disarray. As you may note through the news, however, these more dire situations throughout the world are not just directed at Christians, but also include just about everyone.
These events today, while they do represent the beginning of sorrows associated with the day of the Lord, they do not represent the wrath of God, as the wrath of God follows the 42 month reign of the beast. When the beast's new world order is initiated, the current chaos and bad times ensuing throughout the world today will be put on hold, and all of mankind who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in adoration of the beast's wonderful new system, in which there will be no bad times for its participants during the 42 months in which it ensues. It is after those 42 months when the wrath of God is initiated on the beast's worshippers.
 

TabinRivCA

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The tribulation, which is also referred to as the day of the Lord in the OT, has commenced, with many Christians in many parts of the world currently undergoing persecutions and death on a far greater scale than has been seen in many years. Even here in the U.S., though there is no direct persecution of Christians for their faith, many nonetheless are experiencing more dire situations every day as the current world orders continue on into greater disarray. As you may note through the news, however, these more dire situations throughout the world are not just directed at Christians, but also include just about everyone.
These events today, while they do represent the beginning of sorrows associated with the day of the Lord, they do not represent the wrath of God, as the wrath of God follows the 42 month reign of the beast. When the beast's new world order is initiated, the current chaos and bad times ensuing throughout the world today will be put on hold, and all of mankind who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in adoration of the beast's wonderful new system, in which there will be no bad times for its participants during the 42 months in which it ensues. It is after those 42 months when the wrath of God is initiated on the beast's worshippers.
Persecution and God's wrath are two different things.
 

TabinRivCA

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It's written in revelation, that the horse men and the plagues and the locusts from the pit are given power to do harm but not to harm those with the seal of God on them. It's only Christians that have the seal of God on them. If Christians were raptured then there would be no one with the seal of God on them.
There will be multitudes who accept Christ after the Rapture.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#35
In Rev 3:10, the Hour of Temptation is referred to. I have read some ideas on it but can't still quite grasp what it is and the reason for it? I'd appreciate some help with this:)!
Does it make a difference if we realize everyone who dies before this day would already be taken from earth and therefore be spared this hour? It was written 1900 years ago and all of them are done on this earth so they wont go through it.
In Rev 3:10, the Hour of Temptation is referred to. I have read some ideas on it but can't still quite grasp what it is and the reason for it? I'd appreciate some help with this:)!
I would point you to what Jesus was saying in the gospel when talking about this

“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:20-25, 29-

consider that the church who received that letter are all passed on so I think God has always taken e righteous from the earth as they pass on to keep them from evil that is coming it was even his answer in the ot

When pondering why good people perish often in unjust ways , agora answer is that he is sparing then from evil which is to come into the world

“The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭57:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consider that Peter was crucified and suffered greatly and died , Paul also died at the hands of Neros soldiers , James was beheaded , Stephen was stoned to death those are all
Members of the church the one and only church . They were all spared from the time of the end and won’t have to endure what the end church will

but they endured what Christ endured on earth instead
 

TabinRivCA

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#36
Correct, persecution which also constitutes tribulation is different from what will be God's wrath.
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)
 

TabinRivCA

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Does it make a difference if we realize everyone who dies before this day would already be taken from earth and therefore be spared this hour? It was written 1900 years ago and all of them are done on this earth so they wont go through it.


I would point you to what Jesus was saying in the gospel when talking about this

“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:20-25, 29-

consider that the church who received that letter are all passed on so I think God has always taken e righteous from the earth as they pass on to keep them from evil that is coming it was even his answer in the ot

When pondering why good people perish often in unjust ways , agora answer is that he is sparing then from evil which is to come into the world

“The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭57:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consider that Peter was crucified and suffered greatly and died , Paul also died at the hands of Neros soldiers , James was beheaded , Stephen was stoned to death those are all
Members of the church the one and only church . They were all spared from the time of the end and won’t have to endure what the end church will

but they endured what Christ endured on earth instead
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)
 

Pilgrimshope

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#38
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Rom. Rom. 5:9-10)
that’s a good set of scriptures thanks for sharing
 

TabinRivCA

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Because with out the church here who is going to tell them?
They had a whole life to hear about Jesus, hard not to. Atheists hear of Him and reject Him. But when people left behind see what they heard come to pass, some will believe.