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My comment was not intended as a Touché, brother, it was to emphasize an important doctrinal point. We are now almost 2000 years from when the New Testament was written, and like the Jews of old with their Talmud, have established our own body of traditions by our commentators. But to know God, we have to believe what God's inspired word declares, whether it agrees with our doctrines or not. If we don't, we will have traded a true knowledge of God for what man says God says. let me give you a few examples that have been voiced on this forum . . .
Bible: "For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." 1 Cor 11:6
Forum: "Oh, a woman's hair is her covering or that was from the 1st century Corinthians."
Bible: "God hath given them (the Jews) the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear." Rom 11:8
Forum: "Oh, God didn't blind the Jews, they blinded themselves."
Bible: "As concerning the gospel, they (the Jews during the Christian era) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election (God’s selection or divine choice), they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.” Rom 11:28-29
Forum: “Oh, those verses can’t be believed as written, the Jews of the Christian era cannot be saved unless they accept Jesus as their Messiah.”
Therapon quoting Scripture: ”Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”
Those are just a couple of verses that come readily to mind, I could add a dozen more. But I state unequivocally, it is impossible to come to a knowledge of some truths if we can only see Scriptures through our traditions.
Bible: "For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." 1 Cor 11:6
Forum: "Oh, a woman's hair is her covering or that was from the 1st century Corinthians."
Bible: "God hath given them (the Jews) the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear." Rom 11:8
Forum: "Oh, God didn't blind the Jews, they blinded themselves."
Bible: "As concerning the gospel, they (the Jews during the Christian era) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election (God’s selection or divine choice), they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.” Rom 11:28-29
Forum: “Oh, those verses can’t be believed as written, the Jews of the Christian era cannot be saved unless they accept Jesus as their Messiah.”
Therapon quoting Scripture: ”Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”
Those are just a couple of verses that come readily to mind, I could add a dozen more. But I state unequivocally, it is impossible to come to a knowledge of some truths if we can only see Scriptures through our traditions.
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Forty years ago I was living on my ocean-going sailboat, cruising around southern waters including the Bahamas. I was also a knee-walking, commode-hugging drunk, married, but with a sweet young dolly on the side. One day, someone came aboard my yacht, yanked my bottle out of my hand, threw it over the side and said, "Ellis, the Lord wants you to teach His word and you can't teach it as an adulterous drunk."
I went down into my stateroom and started to pray, "Lord, you know I've been trying to stop drinking for five years, but I am bound by alcohol and lust. Please help me, I give it all to you." I'd been drunk for months, but the next morning I was cold sober, no DTs, no nothing, but I was no longer an adulterer or alcoholic.
I started attending church again and what did I find? Lukewarm Christians playing polemic somersaults with the Word (just like I see here on the forum) and dabbling in the same sins that had gotten me into so much trouble. I tried to Talk to the brethren about it, but nobody cared. Instead, they'd say something like, "Loosen up, Ellis, enjoy the small things in life; in a few months you'll be just like us."
But the Lord had taken out my heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of flesh, so somehow, that never happened.
I went down into my stateroom and started to pray, "Lord, you know I've been trying to stop drinking for five years, but I am bound by alcohol and lust. Please help me, I give it all to you." I'd been drunk for months, but the next morning I was cold sober, no DTs, no nothing, but I was no longer an adulterer or alcoholic.
I started attending church again and what did I find? Lukewarm Christians playing polemic somersaults with the Word (just like I see here on the forum) and dabbling in the same sins that had gotten me into so much trouble. I tried to Talk to the brethren about it, but nobody cared. Instead, they'd say something like, "Loosen up, Ellis, enjoy the small things in life; in a few months you'll be just like us."
But the Lord had taken out my heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of flesh, so somehow, that never happened.
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So you're saying that we're all drunk adulterers who don't care about God's Word? You must have lost your mind. I've been a celibate sober Bible reading born again Christian with a heart of flesh for the past 27 years.
I like the little green turtle because it makes me laugh not because I'm a drunk whoremonger hypocrite. What's the matter with you anyways?
That was completely uncalled for Therapon. Belay it, scuttle it, do something with it but get it out of here. It's not true and it doesn't belong.
I like the little green turtle because it makes me laugh not because I'm a drunk whoremonger hypocrite. What's the matter with you anyways?
That was completely uncalled for Therapon. Belay it, scuttle it, do something with it but get it out of here. It's not true and it doesn't belong.
hi ellis. since you're going off about all that above...
your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC.
is that right?
your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC.
is that right?
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Myself, I'm an honorably discharged Naval veteran. I steamed all over in my youth. I wouldn't pat him on the back for calling everyone here lukewarm sinners that don't know the Word and have hearts of stone. You can. I'm not going to. That was completely out of line.
Therapon, you have a bitter old man side to you.
Therapon, you have a bitter old man side to you.
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But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. - 1 Corinthians 11: 5-6
Re-posting the Bible verse. This is what the scripture says. Covering our heads with a veil or a scarf is sign of submission, to Christ if we are unmarried and to our husband if we are married. It's obeying God. So YES! you do need to cover your head in church.
Re-posting the Bible verse. This is what the scripture says. Covering our heads with a veil or a scarf is sign of submission, to Christ if we are unmarried and to our husband if we are married. It's obeying God. So YES! you do need to cover your head in church.
Whether hair is shaved or bejeweled a head covering makes everyone equal in the sight of God and for that reason, if I were a woman I would follow the advice of Paul and wear a simple head covering.
(In previous posts I was trying to explain what the debate was about in the Corinthian church, that was all. )
(In previous posts I was trying to explain what the debate was about in the Corinthian church, that was all.
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The covering was their husbands. All of God's Word is wholly spiritual.
If they weren't married, their covering was the Holy Spirit.
B.T.W. - Who's the church? ......The bride of Christ. So Jesus is all of our coverings.
God's words are Spirit and they are truth, the flesh profits nothing.
Please see the spiritual truth in the apostle's writings.
If they weren't married, their covering was the Holy Spirit.
B.T.W. - Who's the church? ......The bride of Christ. So Jesus is all of our coverings.
God's words are Spirit and they are truth, the flesh profits nothing.
Please see the spiritual truth in the apostle's writings.
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hi ellis. since you're going off about all that above...
your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
The 70th week ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time. You are correct, the middle of the 70th "week" is exactly 706 A.D., but when God uses such an imprecise word as a "week" as the descriptor of 2520 Hebrew years (2484 solar years), 688 A.D, is still in the "middle of the week."