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LOL, not at all, and I have accused nobody of anything. But for the 40 odd years I've been a new creature in Christ Jesus, people have been saying to me, "Lighten up, Ellis, and smell the roses, etc. etc.," so you struck a nerve.
But I am any realist. The United States hasn't become the worldwide purveyor of theft, adultery, violence and homosexuality and every other abomination because the church has done its job! And who is in those churches? It's got to be those heretics down the street, right? It can't be you or I, right?
Really? On this very thread, we debate whether 1Corinthians 11:5-6 needs to be obeyed. Two post earlier, I quoted several verses that nobody wants to believe or "interprets" away. Do you actually believe we are pleasing in God's sight if we doubt His Word or don't obey it?
Yes, it can be us, and I don't write a single word that I don't point at myself first. Not a day passes that I don't recognize that "there is none that doeth good, no not one" including me, and that "all my righteousness is as filthy rags." I am not unique, the true Christian walk is one of continual repentance.
But I am any realist. The United States hasn't become the worldwide purveyor of theft, adultery, violence and homosexuality and every other abomination because the church has done its job! And who is in those churches? It's got to be those heretics down the street, right? It can't be you or I, right?
Really? On this very thread, we debate whether 1Corinthians 11:5-6 needs to be obeyed. Two post earlier, I quoted several verses that nobody wants to believe or "interprets" away. Do you actually believe we are pleasing in God's sight if we doubt His Word or don't obey it?
Yes, it can be us, and I don't write a single word that I don't point at myself first. Not a day passes that I don't recognize that "there is none that doeth good, no not one" including me, and that "all my righteousness is as filthy rags." I am not unique, the true Christian walk is one of continual repentance.
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"But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven. For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled." 1 Corinthians 11:5-6, ASV
So in essence, Scripture is saying that a woman should cover her head when praying or prophesying. If your hair is your covering, then you should have hair on while praying and hair off when not praying. Could work if you were into wigs, I suppose, but I don't believe that's the intent of Scripture. <wry smile>
So in essence, Scripture is saying that a woman should cover her head when praying or prophesying. If your hair is your covering, then you should have hair on while praying and hair off when not praying. Could work if you were into wigs, I suppose, but I don't believe that's the intent of Scripture. <wry smile>
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Isn't that the truth, and brother when you really do come the Lord it's a life chnging experience and the Lord really does give you . . .
"Delight thyself also in Jehovah; And he will give thee the desires of thy heart." Psalms 37:4 ASV
I used to think that meant the Lord was going to give me that 43' Malcolm Tenant ocean-going Catamaran I'd been hankering for, but that wasn't it at all. The Lord changed the desires of my heart to conform to His will and I had new desires that He indeed gave me, full measure and running over. <smile>
"Delight thyself also in Jehovah; And he will give thee the desires of thy heart." Psalms 37:4 ASV
I used to think that meant the Lord was going to give me that 43' Malcolm Tenant ocean-going Catamaran I'd been hankering for, but that wasn't it at all. The Lord changed the desires of my heart to conform to His will and I had new desires that He indeed gave me, full measure and running over. <smile>
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Steven Anderson puts it like this:
"According to these verses women should have their heads "covered," and men should not. In fact, if a woman's head is not covered, that is just as bad as if she were "shorn" or "shaven." Notice that the Bible says that it is a "shame" for a woman to be shorn or shaven. We all know what "shaven" means, but what does the word "shorn" mean? The Bible uses the word "shorn" one other time in the New Testament:
Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
The vow that the Bible is referring to here is a Nazarite vow from the Old Testament. Notice what the Bible commands about the Nazarite vow in Numbers 6:
Num 6:5 All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
Num 6:18 And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings.
Once again, the Bible is its own dictionary. Being "shorn" is another word for being "shaven." Paul having his head shaved with a razor is referred to as him being "shorn." Therefore God is saying that a woman being "uncovered" is just as shameful as her shaving her head completely bald as Paul did in Acts 18.
So, what is this "covering"?"
1Cor 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Cor 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
According to verses 13-15, a woman is "uncovered" if she does not have "long hair." A woman is therefore commanded to have long hair, and a man is commanded not to have long hair."
Steven L Anderson: Why Women Should Not Wear Head-Coverings
"According to these verses women should have their heads "covered," and men should not. In fact, if a woman's head is not covered, that is just as bad as if she were "shorn" or "shaven." Notice that the Bible says that it is a "shame" for a woman to be shorn or shaven. We all know what "shaven" means, but what does the word "shorn" mean? The Bible uses the word "shorn" one other time in the New Testament:
Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
The vow that the Bible is referring to here is a Nazarite vow from the Old Testament. Notice what the Bible commands about the Nazarite vow in Numbers 6:
Num 6:5 All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
Num 6:18 And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings.
Once again, the Bible is its own dictionary. Being "shorn" is another word for being "shaven." Paul having his head shaved with a razor is referred to as him being "shorn." Therefore God is saying that a woman being "uncovered" is just as shameful as her shaving her head completely bald as Paul did in Acts 18.
So, what is this "covering"?"
1Cor 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Cor 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
According to verses 13-15, a woman is "uncovered" if she does not have "long hair." A woman is therefore commanded to have long hair, and a man is commanded not to have long hair."
Steven L Anderson: Why Women Should Not Wear Head-Coverings
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if Mr. Anderson is right... God has favorites... because a woman whose hair DOES grow long has a covering... where as a woman whose hair will NOT grow long is shameful and hasta use an artificial covering where as Ms longlocks is naturally showing herself to be in submission..
Anybody see any thing wrong with that... or is it just ME????
If it wasn't a custom then Paul would not have referred to it as a custom.
Paul also says "judge for yourselves"
If God required women to wear a covering which still applies today then Paul would not say to Judge for ourselves. God doesn't tell us to "judge for ourselves" what is a sin or not. If it is wrong it plainly says it is wrong.
It is up to our judgement if we are to wear one or not. It is not a command. Not wearing one is not an abomination.
Paul also says "judge for yourselves"
If God required women to wear a covering which still applies today then Paul would not say to Judge for ourselves. God doesn't tell us to "judge for ourselves" what is a sin or not. If it is wrong it plainly says it is wrong.
It is up to our judgement if we are to wear one or not. It is not a command. Not wearing one is not an abomination.
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Age of Knowledge is definitely not a drunk whoremonger hypocrite! Earlier on this post I was told to chill out toward Saved and Blessed (who is awesome by the way). Let's chill out and love each other as brothers and sisters in Christ -- whether we have long hair, short hair, veils, no veils -- let's chill out and love in God's name!
Gen 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
The Question of Dress and Hairstyles
Covering the face is different from covering the head.
The Question of Dress and Hairstyles
Covering the face is different from covering the head.