How did the giants survive a global flood?

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pjharrison

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Their fish. All animals that God wanted to survive was aboard the ark.
 
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pjharrison

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Hello pj,

According to Enoch's description of the offspring of the angels, the watchers of heaven, they were 300 cubits tall. The cubit was approx. 15 to 18 inches, i.e. a foot and a half. When we do the math, that puts their offspring at over 400 ft tall. The people that you are speaking about, such as Og king of Bashan and Goliath were just larger men and would not appear to belong to the offspring of the watchers.
go to youtube and type in fossilized giants and you will see some.
 

Ahwatukee

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Their fish. All animals that God wanted to survive was aboard the ark.
I believe that his reference is regarding the survival of the fresh water fish in the ocean, i.e. salt water.
 
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pjharrison

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I believe that his reference is regarding the survival of the fresh water fish in the ocean, i.e. salt water.
Not 400 ft tall, as were the offspring of the watchers.
That's what I believe. If that was the only way for them to survive God sustain them. He lead two animal to the ark, so I believe He controlled them all to sustain the trip. what do you believe?
 

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Gen. 6:4 “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

I have searched the scriptures with the aid of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and found that in most cases angel = messenger. There were some instances when the messenger was human, cherubim or even God Himself (see Gen. 22:11,12). That said, cherubim, seraphim or something similar (like cherub) are what we think of as angels.

Angels (cherubim) are spirits and therefore sexless. They do not go against God's will (even the fallen demons tremble: James 2:19). The references in Genesis and Job are clearly misunderstood. Otherwise you would have to throw out many other scriptures.

Matt. 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Hebrews 1:5: “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”

Angels are not referred to as sons.
 

shrume

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Angels are not referred to as sons.
Angels are referred to as sons of God several times in the Bible:

Gen 6:2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Dan 3:
24) Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
25) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
28) Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
 
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It has EVERYTHING to do with a "remapping" of one's DNA, at an "atomic" spiritual level. That which is missing, that "allows" this to occur? Is GOD! (and) NOT, the "Governmental/Covenant" God, or Jehovah God's Government, that, is in these days, on the shoulders of our Lord, Jesus of Nazareth! "ALLELUJAH EMMANUEL!" ("THAT God, WITH US!)

Not to be confused with the Creator GOD, of the universe! The GOD from everlasting TO everlasting. The GOD who lamented over how "lucifer" who had been made of the "full pattern" had "fallen" from his "estate" AS "seraphim", and conned, or swept with his "tale/tail", others in heavenly estates, in conspiring (aka "katabol", or rebellion) AGAINST GOD's Throne! This may even be considered the "3rd Heaven." Wherewith, is also seen, "GOD'S Clock", even considered, or called the "Providence" of GOD, in some circles. things, (that) which "WERE", and things (that) which "ARE", and things that "SHALL Be!" To which such "events", as they are, and being witnessed, observed, or told of such things, are scarced in their ability of recounting, OF, let alone being able in the explaining OF! Save as "groanings" of an "inner nature", as ANY attemptings, merely DETRACTS, and erodes from the pure MAGNIFICENCE of such "goings on."

Ya see? I can't even "get it right!" O "feeble-minded" wretch of a man, that I am!
 
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pjharrison

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Gen. 6:4 “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

I have searched the scriptures with the aid of Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and found that in most cases angel = messenger. There were some instances when the messenger was human, cherubim or even God Himself (see Gen. 22:11,12). That said, cherubim, seraphim or something similar (like cherub) are what we think of as angels.

Angels (cherubim) are spirits and therefore sexless. They do not go against God's will (even the fallen demons tremble: James 2:19). The references in Genesis and Job are clearly misunderstood. Otherwise you would have to throw out many other scriptures.

Matt. 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Hebrews 1:5: “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”

Angels are not referred to as sons.
That was what believed. But something really bad had to of happen for God to destroy the world. People alone cannot produce giants of the size that live here at one time on this earth. we were told that dinosaurs lived on the instead of animals who were manipulated with by the demons to cover up about the demons. These fallen angels took on flesh. When people speak of aliens abducting them and experimenting on them, there are no such thing as alien from another planet. Those are demons and have always been demons.
 

shrume

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How did the giants survive a global flood?
They didn't:

Gen 7:
21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

After the flood, Satan was able to convince other devil spirits to do the same thing others did before the flood. IOW, more nephilim were produced.
 

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How you folks always read into something that was never there. Here are your Giants:
Gen. 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Giants = H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.

The previous verse and the following verse were talking about humans. This nephil being angels is straight from JWs.

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They didn't:

Gen 7:
21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

After the flood, Satan was able to convince other devil spirits to do the same thing others did before the flood. IOW, more nephilim were produced.
You paint a picture of Satan doing whatever he likes. How weak your God is. My God reigns. Yet He has given dominion over to man. So man, being deceived by the devil, will totally mess it up where God will have to intervene. Satan and his cohorts are just tools to overcome. Why do you think they flee from the Holy Spirit. Sheesh...

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pjharrison

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They didn't:

Gen 7:
21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

After the flood, Satan was able to convince other devil spirits to do the same thing others did before the flood. IOW, more nephilim were produced.
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shrume

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You paint a picture of Satan doing whatever he likes. How weak your God is. My God reigns. Yet He has given dominion over to man. So man, being deceived by the devil, will totally mess it up where God will have to intervene. Satan and his cohorts are just tools to overcome. Why do you think they flee from the Holy Spirit. Sheesh...
I'm saying that Satan wanted to stop the Christ from coming. Before the flood, he tried altering the gene pool of humanity via the nephilim, and nearly succeeded, making mankind so evil that "the thoughts and intents of their heart was only evil all the time".

The Bible explicitly states that in the flood everything on earth that had the breath of life died. This means everyone except Noah and his family died. This would include the giants.

Gen 6:
4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

If every living (breathing) thing on earth died in the flood (which according to the Bible is exactly what happened), and the Bible says there were giants after the flood, then how do you propose they got here?

I believe that the devil tried the same thing after the flood that he did before the flood. After all, it came very close to succeeding.

Yet He has given dominion over to man.
Yes, God originally gave dominion of this world to man:

Gen 1:
26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

When Adam sinned, that dominion was transferred to the devil:

Luke 4:
5) And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6) And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

1 John 5: (NIV)
19) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

Satan and his cohorts are just tools to overcome.
Satan and his cohorts are currently in control of this world, or age. cp 2 Cor 4:4.
 

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Noah was the only one without blemish. the scripture says nothing of the daughter in laws of Noahs wife. the corruption (i think the corruption was in the blood) could have came from there.
 

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Satan and his cohorts are currently in control of this world, or age. cp 2 Cor 4:4.
I won't argue with that but do you think the devil would run things if the powerful men, that think they run things, knew about his influence. No, for Satan to do his dirty work he must seem to not exist. His time is limited and he knows it.

 

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How did freshwater fish survive the flood? There is much I don't understand how the flood worked. I simply believe there was a flood over the whole earth because God's word says there was.
Perhaps Noah built a small fish tank made of wood ??? For the record i was not there :D
 
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There were giants in the earth in those days;
Genesis 6:4

So if there were giants living amongst men before the 'flood' then how does one reconcile the scriptural accounts of giants after the flood, for example in 2 Sam 21:20 of “a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.”

This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God. 10Noah was the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

If Noah was the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and yet he was not the only person on the ark...
 

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I suspect that Adam and Eve had children before the fall and I wouldn't be surprised if they were all male...
btw: a curse is only unto the third generation.