How do angels jibe with the Holy Spirit?
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I understand that, but a reasonable conclusion should not be equated to an unequivocal scriptural statement. 
because most scriptural statements seem equivocal/unclear.
That is why I think it is better to celebrate the Holy Spirit,
about whom much is clearly taught in the NT.
I understand that, but a reasonable conclusion should not be equated to an unequivocal scriptural statement.
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Go with the principle of interpreting what is unclear from what is clear.
and I find that the role of the HS crowds out angels or makes them/their role superfluous
during the church era, and that churches should not elevate/glorify angels.
Thanks GWH for your comments. I don't see angels as becoming less important. The saints, who are angels, are still important. However, if you mean not to worship the saints, the angels, then I completely agree. We worship God and not each other. Since I believe Jesus is the angel of the Lord as well as the archangel, worshipping him is OK, if it is in the sense of worshipping God. Angels, however, are not less important now than they were before. Revelation, for example, is full of angels. We, as saints, have come to this in Hebrews: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. "
To me, this means that we in Christ have come to a gathering of saints and to Jesus. The saints are important, of course. So much so that Jesus came to save the people who are the saints.
My main concern with angels in the Bible (including the New Testament), is that people have traditions of men, and these traditions of men have interpreted angels verses, in many cases seemingly incorrectly. That hurts the ability of people to understand what the Bible means, what it's message in various verses is saying. If you know that Jesus is the archangel, you can interpret verses about him correctly rather than incorrectly. If you know that 'angels' is a word for the believers in the Bible, then you can understand what verses that mention angels means.
To me, this means that we in Christ have come to a gathering of saints and to Jesus. The saints are important, of course. So much so that Jesus came to save the people who are the saints.
My main concern with angels in the Bible (including the New Testament), is that people have traditions of men, and these traditions of men have interpreted angels verses, in many cases seemingly incorrectly. That hurts the ability of people to understand what the Bible means, what it's message in various verses is saying. If you know that Jesus is the archangel, you can interpret verses about him correctly rather than incorrectly. If you know that 'angels' is a word for the believers in the Bible, then you can understand what verses that mention angels means.
Thanks CS1 for your comment. I, too, believe that Jesus is from everlasting since he is God. I take the very interesting position that the 'angel of the Lord' in the Bible is Jesus. I also believe that Michael the archangel in the Bible is Jesus. So, in that sense, I do not see him as a created being, even though he is termed an angel. I see the term angels in the Bible as speaking about men, not disembodied spirits. Specifically, I believe it is a term for the true believers in Christ. They have the spirit of God, but also are men with bodies.
Thanks, Magenta for your comment. I was aware that it is Gabriel. I was saying that Gabriel was possibly Jesus. I was considering this in reference to GWH asking about it. I do not hold that Gabriel was Jesus but that it is a possibility. I do hold that Michael the archangel is likely Jesus. Also, that the angel of the Lord is likely Jesus. Along these lines, many angels in Revelation are likely referencing Jesus. For example, the angel that binds Satan with a great chain. And the angel that is mentioned in Rev 18: "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. " Other cases are also found.
My view is the angelos serve the gospel in capacity as we do, for the Hebrews verse you mention says, "they are fellow ministers of fire, as we are," what is that fire? The Lord, "Four our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29). The Angels serve in a way through worship and warefare, they battle the fallen angels and demons over people trying to keep them blind, but we the Saints carry the Evangelion, The Gospel itself and are meant to make disciples, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (Matthew 28:19-20). The angels cannot take the place of the Holy Spirit in that, for he is the Third and Co-Equal Person of the Godhead, he draws people to Christ and the Father, while the angels I believe are aiding in fighting the spiritual forces, and helping in the unseen realm in the ways that we see in Scripture. In the New Testament they did more actively participate, telling the apostles after Jesus Ascended "He will come back in same manner in which he left," and the angels at the Tomb of Christ who said, "Why ye look for the living among the dead? He is not here, He is Risen!"
Now could angels do similar things as those in the New Testament? Certainly. Though it us Christians, The Saints who bear the main Calling of making disciples and preaching the gospel. Could an angel appear to someone in a remote place where there is no Bible and tell people the Gospel? I see why not, through once they get The Scriptures they should check it with what is written therein.
Now could angels do similar things as those in the New Testament? Certainly. Though it us Christians, The Saints who bear the main Calling of making disciples and preaching the gospel. Could an angel appear to someone in a remote place where there is no Bible and tell people the Gospel? I see why not, through once they get The Scriptures they should check it with what is written therein.
Well do you understand that holy spirit means holy angel?
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
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First we know they are real right? No offense but we "say" we believe yet in fact we don't. If some today say they saw heaven or seen angels or talked to them how do we treat them? Peter set free by an angel and when Peter knocked on the door their first thought was it was Peters angel. Who talks like that today? It was normal then ..so what happen to us? He has not changed. I can only share what I know and they are not chatty at all they only do what the Father says. Angels ministered to Jesus did they not? And we have all come across them at some point and never new it.
We really need to think more. Well we have Satan and his angels 1/3 of the angels we have demons.. so yeah Angels here are as they always have helping us. Gab in Daniel? Coming to Daniel to tell him what God said them moment Daniel prayed but had to call on Michael to help. So for me they do not answer to me nor come at my beckon call. They do not come to just chat haha. And something they cannot do that we can that is call God our Father.
We really need to think more. Well we have Satan and his angels 1/3 of the angels we have demons.. so yeah Angels here are as they always have helping us. Gab in Daniel? Coming to Daniel to tell him what God said them moment Daniel prayed but had to call on Michael to help. So for me they do not answer to me nor come at my beckon call. They do not come to just chat haha. And something they cannot do that we can that is call God our Father.
Well i am an Ex-catholic so i am not going to going to be open to stuff produced by a catholic who thinks "Catholicism is the only faith that possesses the entirety of divine revelation" NOPE.. I do not recognise the catholic religion is Christian.. Thats why i left it and renounced it..
Attempting to contact the dead is nothing more then conducting a personal seance and totally against the Word of God and Nowhere in the Bible does it promote praying to Angels..
So yes i totally agree with your rejection of this uninspired book from an adherent of a false religion..
Attempting to contact the dead is nothing more then conducting a personal seance and totally against the Word of God and Nowhere in the Bible does it promote praying to Angels..
So yes i totally agree with your rejection of this uninspired book from an adherent of a false religion..
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Well do you understand that holy spirit means holy angel?
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
Well do you understand that holy spirit means holy angel?
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
They have always been ministering spirits though. All angels that did not follow Satan are holy spirits. The holy spirits do the will of GOD. The Earth was created by angels of GOD under the command of Jesus. Remember once upon a time all angels were holy including Satan.
Gensis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The spirit of GOD that move upon the waters were angels. They will do everything that GOD tells them to do in Genesis 1.
Psalms 148: 4 - 5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
The LORD was actually commanding the angels what to do in Genesis 1. The comforter is a role of ONE of GOD many holy spirits. Michael for example is an archangel, and he clearly led all HOLY SPIRITS in a war against Satan and his spirits. The LORD also has two angels surrounding him on his throne. The LORD uses his angels to send his word and for communication with man (like when he first met Moses in the bush). If GOD wants to do something good, he sends a holy spirit and if he wants to do something evil he sends an evil spirit.
41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy.
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink
45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
God doing good to man is via the HS, and evil is personified as the devil/Satan. Theoretical evil/hatred as the option created and permitted by God's will because it actuates human moral free will (MFW) is good, but although tempted by that option to disbelieve God, it is wrong/sinful for souls to choose that option rather than to cooperate with God's intentional will for souls to reflect His love.