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1cor 15.
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Again I ask, Faith in Who and What?
 
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When Jesus died, He atoned for all sin — past, present, and future — at least for all who will believe (Jn. 3:16). Satan’s power over humanity is sin; with all sin atoned, however, Satan loses his legal right to hold man in bondage. And yet, Satan continues to hold untold millions in bondage. So, how do we reconcile this?
 
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As it regards “power,” which is an absolute must if people are to be delivered, we must come to the conclusion that there is no power in a wooden cross. Likewise, there was really not any power in the death of Christ. Paul said that Jesus was “Crucified through weakness” (II Cor. 13:4). However, it must be understood that this “weakness” was contrived. In other words, He purposely did not use His Power to extricate Himself from the Cross. Had He done so, man could not have been redeemed. Furthermore, there certainly is no power in death itself, as would be overly obvious.

So, how does the preaching of the Cross bring about “the Power of God”?

Where are the Bible readers?
 

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As it regards “power,” which is an absolute must if people are to be delivered, we must come to the conclusion that there is no power in a wooden cross. Likewise, there was really not any power in the death of Christ.
And here ^^^ MoTC reveals the false gospel that he preaches.

If there is no power in the death of Christ, we are still in our sins.
 
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When Jesus atoned for all sin, this means that the sin debt was paid, at least for those who will believe, which then gives the Holy Spirit the latitude to work powerfully within our lives. The power is in the Holy Spirit, Who manifests such on our behalf, at least if our Faith is correctly placed in Christ and the Cross. The Cross is what afforded this.

Whenever we preach the Cross, and when individuals believe what we preach, the Holy Spirit can then exercise His Almighty Power on their behalf, for He is God; then sin, in all of its forms, can be overcome; then every bondage can be broken.

The Bible says in 2 Cor. 13:4, that Jesus was crucified through weakness. Which it had to be because God's Grace is only made perfect in weakness. Therefore, through weakness, Jesus was crucified that He may taste death by the Grace of God (Hebrews 2:9). As Children of God, we get to taste that same death in Christ daily by picking up our own cross (which can only be done by trusting His Grace which is made perfect through our weakness by placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won) and walking with Christ in the newness of life (His victory). Rom. 6:3-5, Rom. 8:17, Gal. 2:20-21, 2 Cor. 4:11, 2 Cor. 12:9-10, 2 Cor. 13:4, Hebrews 2:9

The fruit that a Child of God bears comes only by Righteousness which is by Grace (Gal. 2:21). Grace only comes through the weakness and death of Christ (2 Cor. 12:9-10). Therefore, Grace is only made perfect through weakness (not our flesh); but only by trusting and placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is the only way Grace flows in a Child of God's life. This Child of God is considered weak, humble, and broken before God. (THE BEATITUDES MATTHEW 5)
 
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Because you go beyond the simple message of 1cor 15. 1-4.
Grace only comes through the weakness and death of Christ (2 Cor. 12:9-10). Therefore, Grace is only made perfect through weakness (not our flesh); but only by trusting and placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is the only way Grace flows in a Child of God's life. This Child of God is considered weak, humble, and broken before God. (THE BEATITUDES MATTHEW 5)

WRITE THIS DOWN AND NEVER FORGET THIS!
 

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When Jesus atoned for all sin, this means that the sin debt was paid, at least for those who will believe, which then gives the Holy Spirit the latitude to work powerfully within our lives. The power is in the Holy Spirit, Who manifests such on our behalf, at least if our Faith is correctly placed in Christ and the Cross. The Cross is what afforded this.

Whenever we preach the Cross, and when individuals believe what we preach, the Holy Spirit can then exercise His Almighty Power on their behalf, for He is God; then sin, in all of its forms, can be overcome; then every bondage can be broken.

The Bible says in 2 Cor. 13:4, that Jesus was crucified through weakness. Which it had to be because God's Grace is only made perfect in weakness. Therefore, through weakness, Jesus was crucified that He may taste death by the Grace of God (Hebrews 2:9). As Children of God, we get to taste that same death in Christ daily by picking up our own cross (which can only be done by trusting His Grace which is made perfect through our weakness by placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won) and walking with Christ in the newness of life (His victory). Rom. 6:3-5, Rom. 8:17, Gal. 2:20-21, 2 Cor. 4:11, 2 Cor. 12:9-10, 2 Cor. 13:4, Hebrews 2:9

The fruit that a Child of God bears comes only by Righteousness which is by Grace (Gal. 2:21). Grace only comes through the weakness and death of Christ (2 Cor. 12:9-10). Therefore, Grace is only made perfect through weakness (not our flesh); but only by trusting and placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is the only way Grace flows in a Child of God's life. This Child of God is considered weak, humble, and broken before God. (THE BEATITUDES MATTHEW 5)
You say ///Therefore, through weakness, Jesus was crucified that He may taste death by the Grace of God (Hebrews 2:9). As Children of God, we get to taste that same death in Christ daily by picking up our own cross////
Grace only comes through the weakness and death of Christ (2 Cor. 12:9-10). Therefore, Grace is only made perfect through weakness (not our flesh); but only by trusting and placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is the only way Grace flows in a Child of God's life. This Child of God is considered weak, humble, and broken before God. (THE BEATITUDES MATTHEW 5)

WRITE THIS DOWN AND NEVER FORGET THIS!
2 cor 12 is talking about Paul . ?
Mat 5 is before the cross ?
We don't pick up a cross . Jesus already did it for us .
 
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You say ///Therefore, through weakness, Jesus was crucified that He may taste death by the Grace of God (Hebrews 2:9). As Children of God, we get to taste that same death in Christ daily by picking up our own cross////

2 cor 12 is talking about Paul . ?
Mat 5 is before the cross ?
We don't pick up a cross . Jesus already did it for us .
Luke 9:23 - And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty; for I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18). It is knowing and understanding that I am unable to serve God in my own will power, self-will, strength, ability, and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes."

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions (GRACE) found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6 - Without Jesus, you can do nothing (John 15:5)!!!!!

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

If this person tries to come through another door, they are a thief and robber! John 10:1
 

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Luke 9:23 - And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty; for I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18). It is knowing and understanding that I am unable to serve God in my own will power, self-will, strength, ability, and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes."

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions (GRACE) found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6 - Without Jesus, you can do nothing (John 15:5)!!!!!

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

If this person tries to come through another door, they are a thief and robber! John 10:1
Starting with Luke 9 is this before or after the cross?
 

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Luke 9:23 - And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty; for I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18). It is knowing and understanding that I am unable to serve God in my own will power, self-will, strength, ability, and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes."

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions (GRACE) found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6 - Without Jesus, you can do nothing (John 15:5)!!!!!

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

If this person tries to come through another door, they are a thief and robber! John 10:1
ok this makes no sense //Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually)./// ?? could you explain in plain words what you mean please ?
 

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Luke 9:23 - And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty; for I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18). It is knowing and understanding that I am unable to serve God in my own will power, self-will, strength, ability, and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes."

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions (GRACE) found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6 - Without Jesus, you can do nothing (John 15:5)!!!!!

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

If this person tries to come through another door, they are a thief and robber! John 10:1
if you are already a believer you have already gone through the right door 🚪.
 

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Luke 9:23 - And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty; for I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18). It is knowing and understanding that I am unable to serve God in my own will power, self-will, strength, ability, and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes."

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions (GRACE) found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6 - Without Jesus, you can do nothing (John 15:5)!!!!!

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

If this person tries to come through another door, they are a thief and robber! John 10:1
I see you not discerning between the old and new testament. Jesus has done most of the things he says he's going to do in the Gospels. Your quoting them as if you don't see this distinction.
 
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if you are already a believer you have already gone through the right door 🚪.
All believe they have gone through the right door on this form with the many likes they receive from man. But Jesus says they are dead (Rev. 3:1). Don't be deceived!
 

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Grace only comes through the weakness and death of Christ (2 Cor. 12:9-10). Therefore, Grace is only made perfect through weakness (not our flesh); but only by trusting and placing and maintaining our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is the only way Grace flows in a Child of God's life. This Child of God is considered weak, humble, and broken before God. (THE BEATITUDES MATTHEW 5)

WRITE THIS DOWN AND NEVER FORGET THIS!
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2¶Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
 

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All believe they have gone through the right door on this form with the many likes they receive from man. But Jesus says they are dead (Rev. 3:1). Don't be deceived!
You ain't Jesus, and you have no certain knowledge of the end state of any person on this forum. You are just as susceptible to deception as anyone else. Actually, since you already trust in Swaggart first and Scripture second, you're already deceived.
 
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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Have you been receiving GRACE and PEACE? See what the work of Righteousness is, Isa. 32:17, comes from GRACE.

Can your bones live again that is dead? Rev. 3:1

The answer is yes!