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in intend to prove parts 2 & 3 of this post are lies.
and to prove luther was not 'antisemitic'
he was ANTI-TALMUD and so AM I.....CALL the ADL scott!
Dilling I: The Pharisees, the Talmud, and Modern Judaism
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I AM ANTI-TALMUD BECAUSE IT IS SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL AND OPENLY BLASPHEMING JESUS TO DO IT: zone
Who Was Jesus?
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law.
In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.
In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king (the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews (the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head (Daniel 11:36-39).
The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a "king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new "trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin.
Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law—thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":
Ours is the last generation of the era of sin and evil and the first of the Messianic Era. Indeed, for the first time in history, there is a growing consensus of leading rabbis willing to name the man most suited to be the Messiah, and they are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, having boldly stirred up controversy over vital issues in which other leaders have remained tragically silent or have even caved in to the growing forces of darkness. He has upheld the Law perfectly and has worked mightily to strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David and has received a true prophecy from G-d that we who are alive in this generation shall be the first in history to see the coming of the true messiah. Many Jews are eagerly anticipating the Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and anoint the king.
Our job is to finish preparing the way, by announcing the truth and bringing all of mankind back to the Law immediately. Through our divinely mandated efforts, we shall now clear the path for the return of the Garden of Eden and the establishment of the eternal sinless world promised by Isaiah and the other Biblical prophets.
Who Was Jesus?
and to prove luther was not 'antisemitic'
he was ANTI-TALMUD and so AM I.....CALL the ADL scott!
from The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today
by Elizabeth Dilling
I.
THE PHARISEES, THE TALMUD,
AND MODERN JUDAISM
by Elizabeth Dilling
I.
THE PHARISEES, THE TALMUD,
AND MODERN JUDAISM
Dilling I: The Pharisees, the Talmud, and Modern Judaism
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I AM ANTI-TALMUD BECAUSE IT IS SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL AND OPENLY BLASPHEMING JESUS TO DO IT: zone
Who Was Jesus?
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law.
In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.
In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king (the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews (the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head (Daniel 11:36-39).
The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a "king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new "trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin.
Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law—thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":
- Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
- He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
- He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
- 4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
- Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).
- He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
- He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
- He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
- "G-d is not a man, who can lie, nor the son of man, who relents... He has not beheld iniquity in Jacob, nor has He seen perverseness in Israel" (Numbers 23:19).
- Speaking prophetically of the Christian church, Moses declared, "For their 'rock' is not like our Rock... Where is their god, in whom they trusted?" (Deut. 32:31, 37).
- "'See now that I, only I, am He, and there is no god with Me. I kill, and I bring to life; I wound, and I heal, and there is none who can rescue from My Hand...' Sing songs of joy, gentiles, with His people, for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will take vengeance on His enemies, and will forgive His land and His people" (Deut. 32:39, 43).
- "I, only I am Hashem (the L-rd), and besides Me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:11).
- "I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god... Is there a god besides Me? There is no rock; I do not know any" (Isaiah 44:6).
- "Israel is saved in Hashem with an eternal salvation... Assemble yourselves and come, come near together, you gentiles who have escaped [the judgment]. (They have no knowledge, those who carry wooden sculptures and who pray to a god that does not save.) Announce and bring near, even take counsel together: Who declared this from ancient times, and announced it from then? Is it not I, Hashem? And there are no other gods beside Me, nor any righteous and saving god other than Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all ends of the earth, for I am G-d and there is none else. By Myself I swore, a righteous word went out of my mouth and it will not be withdrawn, that to Me every knee will bow and every tongue will swear" (Isaiah 45:17, 20-23).
Ours is the last generation of the era of sin and evil and the first of the Messianic Era. Indeed, for the first time in history, there is a growing consensus of leading rabbis willing to name the man most suited to be the Messiah, and they are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, having boldly stirred up controversy over vital issues in which other leaders have remained tragically silent or have even caved in to the growing forces of darkness. He has upheld the Law perfectly and has worked mightily to strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David and has received a true prophecy from G-d that we who are alive in this generation shall be the first in history to see the coming of the true messiah. Many Jews are eagerly anticipating the Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and anoint the king.
Our job is to finish preparing the way, by announcing the truth and bringing all of mankind back to the Law immediately. Through our divinely mandated efforts, we shall now clear the path for the return of the Garden of Eden and the establishment of the eternal sinless world promised by Isaiah and the other Biblical prophets.
Who Was Jesus?
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Ok, then can you please elaborate on your statements and questions?
Muslims don't have an authenticity problem? They claim the Qur'an is the literal word of God where he bounces back and forth mindlessly from third person to first person and constantly contradicts himself and makes ridiculous claims (and backs nothing up). It was written hundreds of years after anything in the Bible. They have a much bigger validity problem than ANY religion because they have the nerve to claim that if even one error or contradiction is found, then nothing in the book is from God. Christians make no such claim, although our book is significantly more consistent and cohesive.
Jews are in the same boat as Christians, for the most part. The Bible has stronger manuscript evidence than any piece of classical literature. You can be more certain that the Bible is authentic than you can something like... Plato or Homer. There was a shorter time lapse between actual events, written documents and subsequent copies than with any other writing. The Iliad, for example, only has 643 manuscripts with a 500 year span between copies (and those events never really happened). The New Testament, on the other hand, has more than 24,000 manuscript copies with a time span of only 25 years between copies and originals. There are only 40 lines of doubt across all 24,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament. There are 746 lines of doubt across 643 copies of the Iliad.
The New Testament is full of witness testimonies, hence the names of the books. You should read it some time and this will make more sense.
That's funny The muslims don't have this problem nor the Jews (though they have many others)
Thank you for not using the faith card
Their books don't have authoritative titles like Matthew Mark Luke and John and their is no book of Jesus which when one thinks about it for a second it seems kinda odd considering he is the focal point of the entire book!
Thank you for not using the faith card
Their books don't have authoritative titles like Matthew Mark Luke and John and their is no book of Jesus which when one thinks about it for a second it seems kinda odd considering he is the focal point of the entire book!
Jews are in the same boat as Christians, for the most part. The Bible has stronger manuscript evidence than any piece of classical literature. You can be more certain that the Bible is authentic than you can something like... Plato or Homer. There was a shorter time lapse between actual events, written documents and subsequent copies than with any other writing. The Iliad, for example, only has 643 manuscripts with a 500 year span between copies (and those events never really happened). The New Testament, on the other hand, has more than 24,000 manuscript copies with a time span of only 25 years between copies and originals. There are only 40 lines of doubt across all 24,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament. There are 746 lines of doubt across 643 copies of the Iliad.
The New Testament is full of witness testimonies, hence the names of the books. You should read it some time and this will make more sense.
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MUST WE CONTINUE TO GO OVER THIS?
what corpse is in this casket the man is "venerating" (BOWING DOWN TO AND KISSING)?
and what pray tell is THIS?
Zone, You still fail to realize your "criterion of truth" is subjective. It's "icons are idolatry" because "I say they are idolatry." It all goes back to Martin Luther's subjectivist personalistic attitude. When asked why he had been adding words to the Bible, and deleting words and books from the Bible, Luther said. "It is so. And I will have it so. And my will is reason enough. It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so." Your logic is no better than Luther's. You can't find a writing of any Church Father rejecting icons. The Muslims reject icons and they also reject Jesus Christ and His Incarnation.
Calvinists are crypto-muslims in this regard. Charlemagne rejected icons, and he also stated: The Greeks are deleting the word "Filioque" (And the Son) from the original creed! So much for ignorance on Charlemagne's part. He was wrong about the Creed of the Church; he was also wrong about icons. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
what corpse is in this casket the man is "venerating" (BOWING DOWN TO AND KISSING)?
and what pray tell is THIS?
Zone, You still fail to realize your "criterion of truth" is subjective. It's "icons are idolatry" because "I say they are idolatry." It all goes back to Martin Luther's subjectivist personalistic attitude. When asked why he had been adding words to the Bible, and deleting words and books from the Bible, Luther said. "It is so. And I will have it so. And my will is reason enough. It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so." Your logic is no better than Luther's. You can't find a writing of any Church Father rejecting icons. The Muslims reject icons and they also reject Jesus Christ and His Incarnation.
Calvinists are crypto-muslims in this regard. Charlemagne rejected icons, and he also stated: The Greeks are deleting the word "Filioque" (And the Son) from the original creed! So much for ignorance on Charlemagne's part. He was wrong about the Creed of the Church; he was also wrong about icons. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Okay, so I've heard that the Catholic church started out as a branch of Christianity, but then it started introducing pagan traditions into the church to give it a more mystical appearance that would attract more people because of its appeal to the emotions. I'm not saying I believe or deny that. I'm just wondering.....
This is not true. The Catholic Church isn't even mystical. The Eastern Orthodox Church is though. The Catholic Church teaches rationalistic scholastic theology, which is exactly what Martin Luther adopted and was brought up in; as he was a Catholic priest, he learned rationalistic theology rather than mystical apophatic theology (true theology)
There's nothing wrong with mystical theology, it is what Christ came to give us; not a rationalistic theology where people try to rationalize every single thing in the Bible.
There's nothing wrong with mystical theology, it is what Christ came to give us; not a rationalistic theology where people try to rationalize every single thing in the Bible.
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Muslims are fatalists. Like the Calvinists, they believe in theological determinism (fatalism/fate/predestination). Muslims are wrong to call it idolatry, because they also call worship of Jesus Christ idolatry. Are you rejecting worship of Jesus Christ. Protestants raise their Bible high up in the air, and point to a book with black cover and golden edges as their object of faith. Yet no one accuses them of idolatry. Why, then, accuse the Church of pagan idolatry? Why? Pure and simple blind ignorance!
So, Muskokoman, why would you care what Muslims call anything, when they would cut off your head because you are a Christian?
So, Muskokoman, why would you care what Muslims call anything, when they would cut off your head because you are a Christian?
Muslims call the Trinity doctrine idolatry, but it is not. If you don't believe in icons, just read what the 7th Ecumenical Council said about them when they declared that icon veneration and use is NOT idolatry.
Read this document from 787 AD, the 7th Ecumenical Council:
"We, therefore, following the royal pathway and the divinely inspired authority of our Holy Fathers and the traditions of the Orthodox Catholic Church (for, as we all know, the Holy Spirit indwells her), define with all certitude and accuracy that just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, as well in painting and mosaic as of other fit materials, should be set forth in the holy churches of God, and on the sacred vessels and on the vestments and on hangings and in pictures both in houses and by the wayside, to wit, the figure of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honourable Angels, of all Saints and of all pious people. For by so much more frequently as they are seen in artistic representation, by so much more readily are men lifted up to the memory of their prototypes, and to a longing after them; and to these should be given due salutation and honourable reverence (aspasmo`n kai` timhtikh`n prosku'nhsin), not indeed that true worship of faith (latrei'an) which pertains alone to the divine nature; but to these, as to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross and to the Book of the Gospels and to the other holy objects, incense and lights may be offered according to ancient pious custom. For the honour which is paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who reveres the image reveres in it the subject represented. For thus the teaching of our holy Fathers, that is the tradition of the Orthodox Catholic Church, which from one end of the earth to the other hath received the Gospel, is strengthened. Thus we follow Paul, who spake in Christ, and the whole divine Apostolic company and the holy Fathers, holding fast the traditions which we have received. So we sing prophetically the triumphal hymns of the Church, "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem. Rejoice and be glad with all thy heart. The Lord hath taken away from thee the oppression of thy adversaries; thou art redeemed from the hand of thine enemies. The Lord is a King in the midst of thee; thou shalt not see evil any more, and peace be unto thee forever."
Read this document from 787 AD, the 7th Ecumenical Council:
"We, therefore, following the royal pathway and the divinely inspired authority of our Holy Fathers and the traditions of the Orthodox Catholic Church (for, as we all know, the Holy Spirit indwells her), define with all certitude and accuracy that just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, as well in painting and mosaic as of other fit materials, should be set forth in the holy churches of God, and on the sacred vessels and on the vestments and on hangings and in pictures both in houses and by the wayside, to wit, the figure of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honourable Angels, of all Saints and of all pious people. For by so much more frequently as they are seen in artistic representation, by so much more readily are men lifted up to the memory of their prototypes, and to a longing after them; and to these should be given due salutation and honourable reverence (aspasmo`n kai` timhtikh`n prosku'nhsin), not indeed that true worship of faith (latrei'an) which pertains alone to the divine nature; but to these, as to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross and to the Book of the Gospels and to the other holy objects, incense and lights may be offered according to ancient pious custom. For the honour which is paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who reveres the image reveres in it the subject represented. For thus the teaching of our holy Fathers, that is the tradition of the Orthodox Catholic Church, which from one end of the earth to the other hath received the Gospel, is strengthened. Thus we follow Paul, who spake in Christ, and the whole divine Apostolic company and the holy Fathers, holding fast the traditions which we have received. So we sing prophetically the triumphal hymns of the Church, "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem. Rejoice and be glad with all thy heart. The Lord hath taken away from thee the oppression of thy adversaries; thou art redeemed from the hand of thine enemies. The Lord is a King in the midst of thee; thou shalt not see evil any more, and peace be unto thee forever."