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Believe, receive and see by growing in remaining forgiven from God to thee, as one grows new daily in love and mercy given them to see and walk away from things that are not good for them to continue in, as see this from God in the Holy Spirit for them to see.
My walk here on earth off a short pier daily, standing in the risen Son for me to continue thankfully
My walk here on earth off a short pier daily, standing in the risen Son for me to continue thankfully
Not all. Covetousness was not mentioned. When Christ told the rich younger ruler to sell all of his possessions and come and follow Him, then was covetousness practically addressed. The young ruler chose his possessions over the Kingdom of God. Wherever your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Be ye perfect.
Be Holy.
Go and sin no more.
These are not suggestions.
These are commandments.
If a person who claims kinship with Christ, has no desire, or feels no need to fulfill these commandments, he has likely never received the Spirit of God.
Repentance and faith are required for salvation. Faith without works is dead, its a non living faith. The new heart promised to those who repent and believe has not been given to those who continue willfully in sin. It doesn't matter how many prayers you pray, or if you go to church, are baptized, read your bible everyday, or even go about the preaching of the gospel. A person can do all of these things and still be lost.
The grace of God leads men to repentance, every single time. A man who has no hatred of sin, is not under the grace of God.
We strive to enter in at the narrow gate. We make our calling and election sure. We persevere, we overcome. Salvation is a gift. Salvation from what, sin of course, and all that comes with it. Every true believer will endeavor to purify himself, with various levels of success depending upon the individual of course, but the desire will be present, or that man is not a child of God.
Be ye perfect.
Be Holy.
Go and sin no more.
These are not suggestions.
These are commandments.
If a person who claims kinship with Christ, has no desire, or feels no need to fulfill these commandments, he has likely never received the Spirit of God.
Repentance and faith are required for salvation. Faith without works is dead, its a non living faith. The new heart promised to those who repent and believe has not been given to those who continue willfully in sin. It doesn't matter how many prayers you pray, or if you go to church, are baptized, read your bible everyday, or even go about the preaching of the gospel. A person can do all of these things and still be lost.
The grace of God leads men to repentance, every single time. A man who has no hatred of sin, is not under the grace of God.
We strive to enter in at the narrow gate. We make our calling and election sure. We persevere, we overcome. Salvation is a gift. Salvation from what, sin of course, and all that comes with it. Every true believer will endeavor to purify himself, with various levels of success depending upon the individual of course, but the desire will be present, or that man is not a child of God.
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Thanking God, for never leaving or forsaking me ever. As I have seen others do to me and me to others, this flesh body is no good ever, to me at least. It is a dogetty dog world out there, we all are in. We, each it seems to me, we go after things that seem beneficial, and do as called or not, whether or not one sees it as beneficial to themselves. The flesh only loves those that loves them back, as I see Son who went to that cross willingly, no matter what anyone thought or thinks, he did to for us all, amazing grace. I know of people that got troubles, and the people in their place of worship forsook that person over that person that had a son that had down syndrome. And even those that confessed thier troubles, in having bad thoughts, and still got forsaken by the people that heard them telll truth about themselves.
I am a failure, I need God to do God work through me. I see it is his done work first, then his being risen where new life get given free of charge forever
Entering his courts with thanksgiving and praise, all sin taken awayPs 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26, Eph 1:6,7,13, Col 1, 2, 1 John 2:1-12
I am a failure, I need God to do God work through me. I see it is his done work first, then his being risen where new life get given free of charge forever
Entering his courts with thanksgiving and praise, all sin taken awayPs 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26, Eph 1:6,7,13, Col 1, 2, 1 John 2:1-12
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I certainly don’t mean to sound mad. I’m not mad at all. I am just trying to obey the command to “contend earnestly” for the faith. Jude 1:3 To baptize with tge Holy Spirit was never a command.
I simply tell them what the Bible says. I show them What Jesus said to do to be saved in Mark 16:16–surely you believe what the Son of God says is true? I show them what Peter told the Jews to do in Acts 2:38; I show them how the eunuch was saved in Acts 8. And tell them what Paul says in Romans 10:9-10 and finally what Peter said in 1 Peter 3:21. And if they respond like the eunuch did in Acts 8 and want to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins—then we go to the water—which is readily available whether some church baptistery, lake, pond or swimming pool—and following the example of Phillip and the eunuch in Acts 8, I ask him if he believes that Jesus is the Son of God; if he says “yes” then he is baptized in compliance to Acts 2:38.
Did he do what the Bible says do to be saved? Did he obey what Jesus said in Mark 16:16? Did he follow the example of the eunuch? Did he do what Peter told the Jews to do in Acts 2? Did he believe? Did he confess Christ like Romans 10:9-10 said? His repentance was evident in the fact that he wanted to be baptized and have his sins forgiven. He did everything everyone said to do in these and other passages like -Acts 22:16, Acts 16:31-32.
So was he saved? How could he NOT be saved when he was saved just like the people in the New Testament were saved. How could he NOT be saved when he did everything just the way they did? YES, if God does not lie and the Bible is true—this man would be saved. God is no respecter of persons. If this is how he saved people in the first century—then if you do what they did, you too can be saved.
And you have book, chapter, and verse to prove it.
Anything else, claiming to be saved any other way is “building your house on sinking sand.”
“Faith only” and a “sinners prayer” will not save you. You don’t find people being saved like that by the apostles, by their teaching, or any examples like that in the Bible. People were not told to “accept Jesus in their heart”. Can you read about YOUR way to be saved in the Bible? Why take a chance with your soul??
Make sure you are not with those religious people in Matthew 7 who the Lord turned away because they were not keeping His laws.
Did he do what the Bible says do to be saved? Did he obey what Jesus said in Mark 16:16? Did he follow the example of the eunuch? Did he do what Peter told the Jews to do in Acts 2? Did he believe? Did he confess Christ like Romans 10:9-10 said? His repentance was evident in the fact that he wanted to be baptized and have his sins forgiven. He did everything everyone said to do in these and other passages like -Acts 22:16, Acts 16:31-32.
So was he saved? How could he NOT be saved when he was saved just like the people in the New Testament were saved. How could he NOT be saved when he did everything just the way they did? YES, if God does not lie and the Bible is true—this man would be saved. God is no respecter of persons. If this is how he saved people in the first century—then if you do what they did, you too can be saved.
And you have book, chapter, and verse to prove it.
Anything else, claiming to be saved any other way is “building your house on sinking sand.”
“Faith only” and a “sinners prayer” will not save you. You don’t find people being saved like that by the apostles, by their teaching, or any examples like that in the Bible. People were not told to “accept Jesus in their heart”. Can you read about YOUR way to be saved in the Bible? Why take a chance with your soul??
Make sure you are not with those religious people in Matthew 7 who the Lord turned away because they were not keeping His laws.
It really doesn’t matter whether it was or was not. Speaking in tongues was a spiritual gift that was a “sign” to unbelievers that proved God was with them. Hebrews 2:3-4 says that God “confirmed” his word with signs, wonders, miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit.” Also, Mark 16:20. This was their purpose and was needed BEFORE they had the written Bible. That’s why Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 that speaking in tongues would CEASE when that which is perfect comes. He ‘s talking about the “perfect” will of God described in Romans 12 and James 1. Since we HAVE the perfect will of God written down for us with all of the miracles, wonders, signs and gifts of the Spirit recorded there for us, there is no longer any NEED for those things to confirm God’s word. It has been confirmed and so those things have ceased! Whatever people are claiming to do today—like miraculous healing, and speaking in tongues—is not from God. God does not lie. And he said they have ceased.
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I've personally experienced miraculous healing. God healed my infant daughter of a heart defect. I also watched the Lord heal a down syndrome man and over time turn him into a fully functioning normal adult. Those are only two examples, I could provide more.
I like to think of myself as a loving father. If I were an all knowing, all powerful loving Father, I imagine that at least from time to time, it would be difficult for me not to help my hurting children.
You say that there is no need for miraculous signs to confirm the word of God, and I completely agree. But friend, you're drawing an inference from the text that just isn't there.
God loves His children and performs miracles on their behalf on a regular basis. God's kinda in the miracle business ya know? Oh wait, you don't know, that's really sad. I could probably list three or four miracles in my own life just in the last year. No parting of the sea, no consuming fires, but small miracles are no less miraculous than the big ones.
I'm not sure that there is any greater miracle than turning a lost and sinful man into a justified and sanctified one.
I'm sorry you have no spiritual gifts. Or maybe you do and you're just not aware of it. Maybe you should pray and ask for some?
I appreciate your input, but I think I'll stick with Brother Paul on this one. This was written well after Pentecost. Nowhere in scripture can I find it written that after the epistles were written and collected together, that God would stop being God and doing miraculous things on behalf of His children or unbelievers for that matter. Quite the opposite actually.
As for me, God was doing miracles in my own life long before I ever came to faith in His Son, probably yours too.
But hey, you be you man. Fortunately for the rest of us
God will keep being God. He's a God of miracles.
I'll just leave this here. It's Gods word. You know, that God who never changes, the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
Mercy, grace and peace to you my friend.
1 Corinthians 14:20-40
20 Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. 21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. 30 But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
I like to think of myself as a loving father. If I were an all knowing, all powerful loving Father, I imagine that at least from time to time, it would be difficult for me not to help my hurting children.
You say that there is no need for miraculous signs to confirm the word of God, and I completely agree. But friend, you're drawing an inference from the text that just isn't there.
God loves His children and performs miracles on their behalf on a regular basis. God's kinda in the miracle business ya know? Oh wait, you don't know, that's really sad. I could probably list three or four miracles in my own life just in the last year. No parting of the sea, no consuming fires, but small miracles are no less miraculous than the big ones.
I'm not sure that there is any greater miracle than turning a lost and sinful man into a justified and sanctified one.
I'm sorry you have no spiritual gifts. Or maybe you do and you're just not aware of it. Maybe you should pray and ask for some?
I appreciate your input, but I think I'll stick with Brother Paul on this one. This was written well after Pentecost. Nowhere in scripture can I find it written that after the epistles were written and collected together, that God would stop being God and doing miraculous things on behalf of His children or unbelievers for that matter. Quite the opposite actually.
As for me, God was doing miracles in my own life long before I ever came to faith in His Son, probably yours too.
But hey, you be you man. Fortunately for the rest of us
God will keep being God. He's a God of miracles.
I'll just leave this here. It's Gods word. You know, that God who never changes, the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
Mercy, grace and peace to you my friend.
1 Corinthians 14:20-40
20 Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. 21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. 30 But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
Cessationists again, do not say miracles no longer happen. God can and does still.
It is the gift of miracles that has fulfilled its purpose, not God's ability to do as He wills, which would include miracle working.
But biblical miracles are a different story than things like the birth of a child. God does work in this.. but it's not a biblical miracle.
Biblical miracles aren't the ordinary course of nature. And they are by definition, very rare.
There is a generalization people come to of us who believe in cessation. It is saying spiritual gifts full stop are being denied, when usually it's specifically the gifts of miracles, tongues, prophecy and knowledge that cessationists say have fulfilled their purpose.
Among other gifts, faith hope and love are spiritual gifts Cessationists do not say have fulfilled their purpose.
Just as some Cessationists mischaracterise continuationists with the likes of hyper charismatics... some charismatics mischaracterise Cessationists as saying ALL spiritual gifts are bring denied.
It is the gift of miracles that has fulfilled its purpose, not God's ability to do as He wills, which would include miracle working.
But biblical miracles are a different story than things like the birth of a child. God does work in this.. but it's not a biblical miracle.
Biblical miracles aren't the ordinary course of nature. And they are by definition, very rare.
There is a generalization people come to of us who believe in cessation. It is saying spiritual gifts full stop are being denied, when usually it's specifically the gifts of miracles, tongues, prophecy and knowledge that cessationists say have fulfilled their purpose.
Among other gifts, faith hope and love are spiritual gifts Cessationists do not say have fulfilled their purpose.
Just as some Cessationists mischaracterise continuationists with the likes of hyper charismatics... some charismatics mischaracterise Cessationists as saying ALL spiritual gifts are bring denied.
Not me.. biblical exposition. You've got the death of the apostles, the inspiration of the scriptures and the Jewish temple being destroyed. I would have to assume these had no affect on prophecy, tongues and knowledge. These events are directly tied to them.
But there are loads of other people who agree the sign gifts are fulfilled. It's not just me.
Anyway.. this has been well and truly flashed out.
But there are loads of other people who agree the sign gifts are fulfilled. It's not just me.
Anyway.. this has been well and truly flashed out.
Biblical Exposition? So in other words. You and "loads of other people" came to a conclusion which "loads of other people" completely disagree with, but your particular view is the correct one? And that's it basically, case closed? BTW, its "fleshed out", not flashed.
Please forgive me if I'm coming off as a bit of an arse, but as someone who has seen the miraculous workings of God numerous times in my life, and on at least one occasion have seen God work through a fellow believer to heal a sick child, my own daughter who had a heart defect requiring surgery which could no longer be found after a visiting missionary to my church laid hands on her and prayed for her healing, I absolutely cannot support your interpretation of scripture.
I'm not unaware of the scriptures you will reference supporting your view, I just don't agree as my own experience does not align at all with your interpretation.
Having said that, I do respect your opinion and again, forgive me if I came off as a bit unkind. I am actually inclined to agree with you in at least one regard, that being the gift of tongues, as it was indeed a sign gift. However, while I acknowledge that we do not in reality see the gifts of healing particular being exhibited in our present time (though many falsely boast of this gift), I do not think that God has removed it, as much as I suspect there are very few believers worthy of being used in this manner. Self included, but who knows what the future holds.
Regarding the Apostles and the closing of the canon. I would like to point out that Paul had no idea whatsoever that his letters to the churches would eventually constitute a large portion, or any portion at all, of what we correctly believe to be the inspired word of God. And when he said that certain gifts would cease, he was not referring in any way to the completion of that canon as he, I presume, had no idea he was writing it.
Additionally, as far as I can tell, himself or any other of the other New Covenant authors never directly expressed anything of the sort, but rather encouraged believers to desire spiritual gifts, particularly prophecy. And while prophecy may include the for telling of future events, was not limited to such. There is also the matter of James advising his readers to bring the sick before the elders that they might lay hands upon them and be healed.
If God does not change, and His gifts and calling are without repentance, I simply find it hard to believe that He would remove any good benefit from His children.
Lastly, and I am speaking to myself as much as any others who may be reading this. I don't know why we feel so compelled to spend so much time bickering about these minor issues. It seems to me that we could all make such better use of our time encouraging and edifying one another. I'm going to try much harder to stay out of these debates going forward. And if I cannot resist the temptation, I'll be out of here. I left once before, maybe I should have made it permanent.
Mercy and grace and peace to you my brother.
Please forgive me if I'm coming off as a bit of an arse, but as someone who has seen the miraculous workings of God numerous times in my life, and on at least one occasion have seen God work through a fellow believer to heal a sick child, my own daughter who had a heart defect requiring surgery which could no longer be found after a visiting missionary to my church laid hands on her and prayed for her healing, I absolutely cannot support your interpretation of scripture.
I'm not unaware of the scriptures you will reference supporting your view, I just don't agree as my own experience does not align at all with your interpretation.
Having said that, I do respect your opinion and again, forgive me if I came off as a bit unkind. I am actually inclined to agree with you in at least one regard, that being the gift of tongues, as it was indeed a sign gift. However, while I acknowledge that we do not in reality see the gifts of healing particular being exhibited in our present time (though many falsely boast of this gift), I do not think that God has removed it, as much as I suspect there are very few believers worthy of being used in this manner. Self included, but who knows what the future holds.
Regarding the Apostles and the closing of the canon. I would like to point out that Paul had no idea whatsoever that his letters to the churches would eventually constitute a large portion, or any portion at all, of what we correctly believe to be the inspired word of God. And when he said that certain gifts would cease, he was not referring in any way to the completion of that canon as he, I presume, had no idea he was writing it.
Additionally, as far as I can tell, himself or any other of the other New Covenant authors never directly expressed anything of the sort, but rather encouraged believers to desire spiritual gifts, particularly prophecy. And while prophecy may include the for telling of future events, was not limited to such. There is also the matter of James advising his readers to bring the sick before the elders that they might lay hands upon them and be healed.
If God does not change, and His gifts and calling are without repentance, I simply find it hard to believe that He would remove any good benefit from His children.
Lastly, and I am speaking to myself as much as any others who may be reading this. I don't know why we feel so compelled to spend so much time bickering about these minor issues. It seems to me that we could all make such better use of our time encouraging and edifying one another. I'm going to try much harder to stay out of these debates going forward. And if I cannot resist the temptation, I'll be out of here. I left once before, maybe I should have made it permanent.
Mercy and grace and peace to you my brother.
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It is so not easy, to get along in the love and mercy given us all to stand in belief to God Father of Son as risen for us all. Being taught to work or you not in with God. A works based religion, that takes God's works out and puts flesh work in it, to get in, stay in and be in as a person better than others, as in Luke 18:9-14 talks about to us, the people in arrogance over others.
read those verses, and ask who is justified?
Did God in Son Jesus go to that cross for us all to choose to believe God or not, anyone left out to choose?
I had Foreigner's GangGreene 12 years ago this year. It is a urinary tract infection. According to the Doctors, I died seven times on the operating table. When saved, I had a year to live, 93% to 95% of people with this Gangrene do not make it out alive. those that do, have a year to live, 3% of those live past a year. I have made it my twelve year this year.
God has healed me and heals anyone everyone to this day. It takes faith, to live or not live.
What I am saying is I am willing to die, each day, every day, to have disease, to not walk, to live in whatever present moment I am in.
I seriously believe faith to God Father of risen Son is what got me through it and gets me through it all.
So I pass on to y'all be willing to be in adversities, death, whatever troubles you are in.
I see Jesus asking Father, is there any other way Father? Nevertheless, not my will, only yours Father. And he went to the cross without a fight. As he said, Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. Still true today. Therefore stand in belief that God just loves you too, no matter what you might be going through, see whatever it is you need to see between God and you and be new in trust, with a willing heart. Break through the veil too, and see in God's Spirit and Truth for you
read those verses, and ask who is justified?
Did God in Son Jesus go to that cross for us all to choose to believe God or not, anyone left out to choose?
I had Foreigner's GangGreene 12 years ago this year. It is a urinary tract infection. According to the Doctors, I died seven times on the operating table. When saved, I had a year to live, 93% to 95% of people with this Gangrene do not make it out alive. those that do, have a year to live, 3% of those live past a year. I have made it my twelve year this year.
God has healed me and heals anyone everyone to this day. It takes faith, to live or not live.
What I am saying is I am willing to die, each day, every day, to have disease, to not walk, to live in whatever present moment I am in.
I seriously believe faith to God Father of risen Son is what got me through it and gets me through it all.
So I pass on to y'all be willing to be in adversities, death, whatever troubles you are in.
I see Jesus asking Father, is there any other way Father? Nevertheless, not my will, only yours Father. And he went to the cross without a fight. As he said, Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. Still true today. Therefore stand in belief that God just loves you too, no matter what you might be going through, see whatever it is you need to see between God and you and be new in trust, with a willing heart. Break through the veil too, and see in God's Spirit and Truth for you
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