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Amen.
I agree in respects of faith, it's just the finer details like which of God's commandments to follow. People argue over the Sabbath day, they argue over the ten commandments, the OT laws, the NT laws, some say things like sex and what not don't matter. Lol at some point somethings gotta be concrete right?
I wouldn't be so worried, but the bible clearly warns about being lead astray, accepting false teachings, and even believers being turned away for following the traditions established by mankind through the false prophets.
I agree in respects of faith, it's just the finer details like which of God's commandments to follow. People argue over the Sabbath day, they argue over the ten commandments, the OT laws, the NT laws, some say things like sex and what not don't matter. Lol at some point somethings gotta be concrete right?
I wouldn't be so worried, but the bible clearly warns about being lead astray, accepting false teachings, and even believers being turned away for following the traditions established by mankind through the false prophets.
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Well, we're human. Almost everything we do or say is a belief or opinion, at least in my opinion. You have one person saying "This is how the bible is supposed to be read", then someone else saying "No, this is how the bible is supposed to be read". No matter what is being expressed, they're both opinions.
So how can you know that as fact?
So how can you know that as fact?
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The thing about believing though, is that you have to have some truth to believe.
You have a truth that makes you believe in God, or else it would be false to you and you would not believe.
How can you believe the sky is blue without seeing it with your own eyes; that is your truth. How do you believe what your math teacher taught you, if he does not demonstrate the truth to the numbers.
This is why people say, " I do not believe you," when someone tells them a lie, which a lie is void of truth. But when someone says, " I believe you," it is because they find truth in what a person has presented them.
They go hand and hand. Believing without truth, is believing blindly, which can cause one to become deceived; which is what lead to the Inquistions, as many verses in the bible were twisted and bent to suit such a horrible will of man and resulted in the murder of many. Looking back on some of the teachings in the inquistion, one in accordance to the witch hunts had to do with women said to be cursed since Eve committed the sin in Eden first and then tempted Adam. The reality though, is that the bible doesn't say anything about women being cursed for sinning first; and in fact, says that all men came to sin, and then talks about the wages of sin.
You have a truth that makes you believe in God, or else it would be false to you and you would not believe.
How can you believe the sky is blue without seeing it with your own eyes; that is your truth. How do you believe what your math teacher taught you, if he does not demonstrate the truth to the numbers.
This is why people say, " I do not believe you," when someone tells them a lie, which a lie is void of truth. But when someone says, " I believe you," it is because they find truth in what a person has presented them.
They go hand and hand. Believing without truth, is believing blindly, which can cause one to become deceived; which is what lead to the Inquistions, as many verses in the bible were twisted and bent to suit such a horrible will of man and resulted in the murder of many. Looking back on some of the teachings in the inquistion, one in accordance to the witch hunts had to do with women said to be cursed since Eve committed the sin in Eden first and then tempted Adam. The reality though, is that the bible doesn't say anything about women being cursed for sinning first; and in fact, says that all men came to sin, and then talks about the wages of sin.
I'm sure you know some things, like: I'll bet that you know that God is real, because you have experienced Him, and you have recieved gifts from Him. The knowledge, wisdom, and understanding of God is concrete. It's not ours, it's His, and if we have it it's because it was given to us. Nobody can know that God is real unless it's given to them from God.
There is everlasting knowledge which does not change, and this knowledge is what we ought to live by with the everlasting wisdom, and understanding which also do not change. I'm not lying my friend. I also know a portion of Love, and the portion I know is what I give freely.
There is everlasting knowledge which does not change, and this knowledge is what we ought to live by with the everlasting wisdom, and understanding which also do not change. I'm not lying my friend. I also know a portion of Love, and the portion I know is what I give freely.
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Yeah, this is what worries me.
The bible being interpretated so many ways - I've been presented with this by atheist and non - believers who reject Christianity because of this notion.
IF there is no concrete truth to the bible and all is just a matter of opinion, then it means the bible can be interpretated anyway, and thus unrealiable as truthful testimony to God, because mankind has ultimately " invented " God to suit each one's own personal perspectives and endeavors.
Issue there, is that mankind is sinful and erroneous; so thus deducing, this " invented" God would be fault and erroneous.
If the bible is the only way for us to get salvation, the only physical thing that details salvation and God, then for it to not have a sound plot, a sound truth, then there really is no point in reading it, because according to the conjoined perspective, all one has to do is believe in God to gain salvation and forgiveness of sins.
Problem with that thought though, is the fact that the bible doesn't say this is all there is to it, and if the bible in fact is the 100% word of God, then honestly can one verse..even one word be ignored or shrugged off?
Wicked people have used the bible and bent the verses to their will - does anyone else see how easy it is to be lead astray without a sound truth?
The bible being interpretated so many ways - I've been presented with this by atheist and non - believers who reject Christianity because of this notion.
IF there is no concrete truth to the bible and all is just a matter of opinion, then it means the bible can be interpretated anyway, and thus unrealiable as truthful testimony to God, because mankind has ultimately " invented " God to suit each one's own personal perspectives and endeavors.
Issue there, is that mankind is sinful and erroneous; so thus deducing, this " invented" God would be fault and erroneous.
If the bible is the only way for us to get salvation, the only physical thing that details salvation and God, then for it to not have a sound plot, a sound truth, then there really is no point in reading it, because according to the conjoined perspective, all one has to do is believe in God to gain salvation and forgiveness of sins.
Problem with that thought though, is the fact that the bible doesn't say this is all there is to it, and if the bible in fact is the 100% word of God, then honestly can one verse..even one word be ignored or shrugged off?
Wicked people have used the bible and bent the verses to their will - does anyone else see how easy it is to be lead astray without a sound truth?
I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure if I understand your definition of Truth/truth. Truth is what is known, and to believe in God requires no knowledge in the person believing. Truth from God helps us to believe, but why would we believe in something we already have knowledge of. Believe is a step to knowledge in the believer, and once you know, then you can continue to trust, but with knowledge instead of being convinced and yet uncertain.
Blindly believing is what a child does, and that's a good thing, because we were always meant to be motivated, and gullable for Love.
Blindly believing is what a child does, and that's a good thing, because we were always meant to be motivated, and gullable for Love.
I know all of you believe different and I am not here to argue, just would like to answer the question, I do not intend to make anyone anxious.
FAITH!
I have faith that Jesus began the church and He stayed with the church Like He said, and he never broke His word. I have FAITH that those who have been placed on the chair of Peter are guided by Christ when it is time to speak for the church. The Popes can say what they want and be wrong, it is only when he speaks for the church that Christ guides him. We are the unfaithful wife Jesus will never leave.
Faith does not need proof, faith believes with ought seeing.
"Since Christ Himself has said, "This is My Body" who shall dare to doubt that It is His Body?"
-St. Cyril of Jerusalem
"Christ said, “I am the Truth”; he did not say “I am the custom."
-St. Toribio
"The creator of the heavens obeys a carpenter; the God of eternal glory listens to a poor virgin. Has anyone ever witnessed anything comparable to this?
-St. Anthony of Padua
"Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words."
It is my opinion that reformation almost destroyed the church, and it has not united anyone. People say catholics walk in lockstep, we say we walk in faith.
If I have offended you please forgive me. God Bless!
FAITH!
I have faith that Jesus began the church and He stayed with the church Like He said, and he never broke His word. I have FAITH that those who have been placed on the chair of Peter are guided by Christ when it is time to speak for the church. The Popes can say what they want and be wrong, it is only when he speaks for the church that Christ guides him. We are the unfaithful wife Jesus will never leave.
Faith does not need proof, faith believes with ought seeing.
"Since Christ Himself has said, "This is My Body" who shall dare to doubt that It is His Body?"
-St. Cyril of Jerusalem
"Christ said, “I am the Truth”; he did not say “I am the custom."
-St. Toribio
"The creator of the heavens obeys a carpenter; the God of eternal glory listens to a poor virgin. Has anyone ever witnessed anything comparable to this?
-St. Anthony of Padua
"Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words."
It is my opinion that reformation almost destroyed the church, and it has not united anyone. People say catholics walk in lockstep, we say we walk in faith.
If I have offended you please forgive me. God Bless!
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Well there is only the Bible that is right., right? so the bible will have to be the final say. No person can claim to be right if the Bible is not there to support them. The bible is clear . Its just that people dont always understand, or are able to recall all the scriptures. I doubt anyone you've spoken to was able to take in the whole of God's teachings on a matter. so its kinda like each argument from bother sides are lacking. No one person should say something is absolute UNLESS They are in agreement with what is Written. I think your meeting people that simply are still maturing in understanding, Unless you come across some one that is able to actually document in the bible something. Also like the scriptures say, a matter is established by more then one witness , etc.. I don;t think that person should be so zealous about their stand on a claim they have. Unless like i said ; it is written in The bible. With that being followed there should not be some of these difficulties Christians are having on the scriptures.
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Here is the proof.
I know something about you that I can not possible know unless I know God, and this is it:
1. If you do not know that God is real, then I know that you do not know the truth. How can I know that?
2. If you do know that God is real, then I know that you have experienced God. How can I know that?
One of these statements are true for you, and that proves to you that I do know, even if you don't accept it as proof. This is what I tell unbelievers, and most either realize that I do know God, and some just choose to believe that I am taking advantage of the lie that nobody knows, which is a lie. Some know, and I'm one of them, and I believe you are too.
I know something about you that I can not possible know unless I know God, and this is it:
1. If you do not know that God is real, then I know that you do not know the truth. How can I know that?
2. If you do know that God is real, then I know that you have experienced God. How can I know that?
One of these statements are true for you, and that proves to you that I do know, even if you don't accept it as proof. This is what I tell unbelievers, and most either realize that I do know God, and some just choose to believe that I am taking advantage of the lie that nobody knows, which is a lie. Some know, and I'm one of them, and I believe you are too.