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I think we get so carried away with our own intellect that we think our opinions count. What anyone thinks about God has no effect on the truth of God. God tells us His thoughts are not our thoughts and that we see darkly.
There are false prophets on CC, but they are easy to spot. They express their thoughts about God with no love for other posters. Scripture tells us that it is through love we will know each other.
As we reason together, we also help each other.
There are false prophets on CC, but they are easy to spot. They express their thoughts about God with no love for other posters. Scripture tells us that it is through love we will know each other.
As we reason together, we also help each other.
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I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure if I understand your definition of Truth/truth. Truth is what is known, and to believe in God requires no knowledge in the person believing.
Truth - as in something that is indisputable, concrete, correct. Yes truth is what is known, and there is knowledge involved in believing. The bible talks about two types of knowledge; the wisdom of those on earth, and the wisdom of those who are wise in God. The disciples gained knowledge of God through Christ; so there is indeed knowledge when it comes to God. Even in Genesis the tree Adam and Eve ate of was called, " the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil." God is the good force, the devil is the evil force; as we gained knowledge of evil / sin, we gained knowledge of good which is God.
Knowledge and truth is important because again, the bible warns about false prophets who speak lies and foolishness which is the opposite of being knowledgable in God and true.
Truth from God helps us to believe, but why would we believe in something we already have knowledge of. Believe is a step to knowledge in the believer, and once you know, then you can continue to trust, but with knowledge instead of being convinced and yet uncertain.
Why wouldn't we believe in something we have knowledge of? I have knowledge of whom my mother is, and I also believe she is my mother because I have that accurate knowledge lol ( DNA test for example to confirm.) Belief comes from knowledge, and more knowledge is acquired by believing. Trust in God is also a matter of faith, a huge one, and even with trust and faith, one has to have some type of leverage in those things. Whether it's picking up the bible and having an epiphany of God by reading about the examples of faith by various people in it, or some other experience.
Blindly believing is what a child does, and that's a good thing, because we were always meant to be motivated, and gullable for Love.
Children typically have a basis for why they believe what they do. They believe everything their parent's say, because they trust their parents, because they love their parents. Children also believe there are monsters under their bed, and come to the truth that said monsters do not exist when they gain the knowledge of the monster's non - existence. There is always some type of basis - with false prophets these days, people are often persuade by their title of " pastor " or " minister " or whatever holy looking person swinging a bible around.
What's perplexing though, is that if knowledge was not necessary, why do people go to church to seek spiritual knowledge of God? Whether it be for love, or faith; church is where you go to learn more of God and seek knowledge in your understand correct?
Truth - as in something that is indisputable, concrete, correct. Yes truth is what is known, and there is knowledge involved in believing. The bible talks about two types of knowledge; the wisdom of those on earth, and the wisdom of those who are wise in God. The disciples gained knowledge of God through Christ; so there is indeed knowledge when it comes to God. Even in Genesis the tree Adam and Eve ate of was called, " the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil." God is the good force, the devil is the evil force; as we gained knowledge of evil / sin, we gained knowledge of good which is God.
Knowledge and truth is important because again, the bible warns about false prophets who speak lies and foolishness which is the opposite of being knowledgable in God and true.
Truth from God helps us to believe, but why would we believe in something we already have knowledge of. Believe is a step to knowledge in the believer, and once you know, then you can continue to trust, but with knowledge instead of being convinced and yet uncertain.
Why wouldn't we believe in something we have knowledge of? I have knowledge of whom my mother is, and I also believe she is my mother because I have that accurate knowledge lol ( DNA test for example to confirm.) Belief comes from knowledge, and more knowledge is acquired by believing. Trust in God is also a matter of faith, a huge one, and even with trust and faith, one has to have some type of leverage in those things. Whether it's picking up the bible and having an epiphany of God by reading about the examples of faith by various people in it, or some other experience.
Blindly believing is what a child does, and that's a good thing, because we were always meant to be motivated, and gullable for Love.
Children typically have a basis for why they believe what they do. They believe everything their parent's say, because they trust their parents, because they love their parents. Children also believe there are monsters under their bed, and come to the truth that said monsters do not exist when they gain the knowledge of the monster's non - existence. There is always some type of basis - with false prophets these days, people are often persuade by their title of " pastor " or " minister " or whatever holy looking person swinging a bible around.
What's perplexing though, is that if knowledge was not necessary, why do people go to church to seek spiritual knowledge of God? Whether it be for love, or faith; church is where you go to learn more of God and seek knowledge in your understand correct?
I see that there are word definitions that are hindering proper communication. You believe that your mom is your mom, and you know that your mom is your mom? One of those words (believe/know) are being used in a way that I do not understand, because you can't believe that you're breathing, and know that you're breathing at the same time. You can't know that your mom is your mom, and believe that your mom is your mom, because one is a lie. I'm sorry, but I guess I need to know what you understand is the definition of believe?
Also, I never said knowledge was not required to believe (because knowledge is everlasting with God, and knowledge always exists), but I said that the unbeliever does not need knowledge to believe, and what I meant by that is that the unbeliever does not need personal knowledge of God to believe in Him. They can be unsure, and still believe becasue they are convinced. I'm not saying that all who believe do not have some knowledge of Love, but most do not call God Love, and they certainly don't need to know God before they believe in Him.
Also, I never said knowledge was not required to believe (because knowledge is everlasting with God, and knowledge always exists), but I said that the unbeliever does not need knowledge to believe, and what I meant by that is that the unbeliever does not need personal knowledge of God to believe in Him. They can be unsure, and still believe becasue they are convinced. I'm not saying that all who believe do not have some knowledge of Love, but most do not call God Love, and they certainly don't need to know God before they believe in Him.
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No offense taken, and I mean no offense about what I'm about to say,
but you are aware that there are various occasions in which the Catholic church altered Christ's teachings to suit their will right? It's one of the biggest authoritarian churches, and because of the faithfulness of it's people, it has gained the power to literally do as it pleases with the word of God, without any question.
And if questioned, the church has so many sugar coated teachings and alterations to scripture that make them seem truthful. But believers often don't look to deep into it, because one of the biggest thing the church does is demand the absolute faith of those in it. What true catholic dare speaks against the Popes teaching? What real catholic, real faithful person of Christ speak against Mary or the Saints? This absolution of faith is why that church has such bloody hands. I believe one of the generals who led the crusades stopped his soldiers in the middle of battle because he felt so ashamed of what he was doing - even though it was from direct authority of the pope that they go out and do this.
People kill for religion when they have been prepositioned in such a way; almost like they feel that if they leave the church or question it, they are doomed to hell or something. By all means, question because you can only figure out what is true, when you can identify what is a lie no? Killing is on the " most detestable things to God" list in Proverbs - so any faith of God that prepositions any of it's believers to kill...sketchy.
I'm sorry, I always pick at you about the Catholic Church
but you are aware that there are various occasions in which the Catholic church altered Christ's teachings to suit their will right? It's one of the biggest authoritarian churches, and because of the faithfulness of it's people, it has gained the power to literally do as it pleases with the word of God, without any question.
And if questioned, the church has so many sugar coated teachings and alterations to scripture that make them seem truthful. But believers often don't look to deep into it, because one of the biggest thing the church does is demand the absolute faith of those in it. What true catholic dare speaks against the Popes teaching? What real catholic, real faithful person of Christ speak against Mary or the Saints? This absolution of faith is why that church has such bloody hands. I believe one of the generals who led the crusades stopped his soldiers in the middle of battle because he felt so ashamed of what he was doing - even though it was from direct authority of the pope that they go out and do this.
People kill for religion when they have been prepositioned in such a way; almost like they feel that if they leave the church or question it, they are doomed to hell or something. By all means, question because you can only figure out what is true, when you can identify what is a lie no? Killing is on the " most detestable things to God" list in Proverbs - so any faith of God that prepositions any of it's believers to kill...sketchy.
I'm sorry, I always pick at you about the Catholic Church
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Ok I'm not trying to nit-pick, but that's a terrible argument.
1. Nobody knows the truth. Even if you think you do, that's all it is. You THINK you do. You may very well be right, but you also may very well be wrong.
2. If you think that god is real then you've convinced yourself that you have experienced god. Yes.
I think number 1 pertains to everyone, and people think number 2 pertains to them. I highly doubt it has, but I also am not them and I don't like telling other people what they know or believe.
1. Nobody knows the truth. Even if you think you do, that's all it is. You THINK you do. You may very well be right, but you also may very well be wrong.
2. If you think that god is real then you've convinced yourself that you have experienced god. Yes.
I think number 1 pertains to everyone, and people think number 2 pertains to them. I highly doubt it has, but I also am not them and I don't like telling other people what they know or believe.
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It's not a very strong argument for belief but Christians don't share their beliefs with others to be kill-joys or to harass people but because we believe that no one should be separated from God forever. If God is Life and Love and Truth, we want people to encounter that reality. If you had the cure for cancer and didn't administer it, would that be the right thing to do? No.
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Oh okay that's what confused me about the whole knowledge thing.
Believing - To accept something as true, genuine or real; ( dictionary)
Know - To perceive and understand as fact or truth; ( dictionary)
What word do those two have in common? Truth and true.
I believe my mother is my mother, because I accept that as being true.
I know my mother is my mother, because that is a fact and it is true.
When you believe something, it is true to you. When you know something, it is also true to you. Some people take believing as a " sorta kinda, but still unsure" reality, especially when it comes to God. Like someone will ask, " Do you believe in God?" and sometimes people reply, " uhh...yea...I believe..." with this " eh I'm not 100% sure " context.
But believing is accepting something as absolute truth; when you believe in God, it's because you know that God is real. Likewise, when you know God is real, you believe in God.
Believing is a big deal in the bible, because this is accepting God as absolutely true without an and's if's or but's.
Believing - To accept something as true, genuine or real; ( dictionary)
Know - To perceive and understand as fact or truth; ( dictionary)
What word do those two have in common? Truth and true.
I believe my mother is my mother, because I accept that as being true.
I know my mother is my mother, because that is a fact and it is true.
When you believe something, it is true to you. When you know something, it is also true to you. Some people take believing as a " sorta kinda, but still unsure" reality, especially when it comes to God. Like someone will ask, " Do you believe in God?" and sometimes people reply, " uhh...yea...I believe..." with this " eh I'm not 100% sure " context.
But believing is accepting something as absolute truth; when you believe in God, it's because you know that God is real. Likewise, when you know God is real, you believe in God.
Believing is a big deal in the bible, because this is accepting God as absolutely true without an and's if's or but's.
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Amen
Sharing the gospel is definitely to be done...but then, there are also false prophets sharing false gospels. It would be good to distinguish right? Because false prophets are getting one hell of a condemnation; I mean if one teaches falsely against God...you get my point.
It seems really critical to know what is the right teaching, and what is the wrong teaching, because in not knowing, many come to be lead astray because they cannot identify the truth.
Now God obviously is the core of all this, but God also established various regulations and contexts throughout the bible to guide those who will be his people, while also pointing out the fact that there will be false teachers, and that well, we should avoid them and what they teach. But in looking at the world, how can this really be done, if no one really knows what is right gospel from wrong gospel, and instead accepts all gospels or their own perceived gospel?
Sharing the gospel is definitely to be done...but then, there are also false prophets sharing false gospels. It would be good to distinguish right? Because false prophets are getting one hell of a condemnation; I mean if one teaches falsely against God...you get my point.
It seems really critical to know what is the right teaching, and what is the wrong teaching, because in not knowing, many come to be lead astray because they cannot identify the truth.
Now God obviously is the core of all this, but God also established various regulations and contexts throughout the bible to guide those who will be his people, while also pointing out the fact that there will be false teachers, and that well, we should avoid them and what they teach. But in looking at the world, how can this really be done, if no one really knows what is right gospel from wrong gospel, and instead accepts all gospels or their own perceived gospel?
No offense taken, and I mean no offense about what I'm about to say,
but you are aware that there are various occasions in which the Catholic church altered Christ's teachings to suit their will right? It's one of the biggest authoritarian churches, and because of the faithfulness of it's people, it has gained the power to literally do as it pleases with the word of God, without any question.
And if questioned, the church has so many sugar coated teachings and alterations to scripture that make them seem truthful. But believers often don't look to deep into it, because one of the biggest thing the church does is demand the absolute faith of those in it. What true catholic dare speaks against the Popes teaching? What real catholic, real faithful person of Christ speak against Mary or the Saints? This absolution of faith is why that church has such bloody hands. I believe one of the generals who led the crusades stopped his soldiers in the middle of battle because he felt so ashamed of what he was doing - even though it was from direct authority of the pope that they go out and do this.
People kill for religion when they have been prepositioned in such a way; almost like they feel that if they leave the church or question it, they are doomed to hell or something. By all means, question because you can only figure out what is true, when you can identify what is a lie no? Killing is on the " most detestable things to God" list in Proverbs - so any faith of God that prepositions any of it's believers to kill...sketchy.
I'm sorry, I always pick at you about the Catholic Church
but you are aware that there are various occasions in which the Catholic church altered Christ's teachings to suit their will right? It's one of the biggest authoritarian churches, and because of the faithfulness of it's people, it has gained the power to literally do as it pleases with the word of God, without any question.
And if questioned, the church has so many sugar coated teachings and alterations to scripture that make them seem truthful. But believers often don't look to deep into it, because one of the biggest thing the church does is demand the absolute faith of those in it. What true catholic dare speaks against the Popes teaching? What real catholic, real faithful person of Christ speak against Mary or the Saints? This absolution of faith is why that church has such bloody hands. I believe one of the generals who led the crusades stopped his soldiers in the middle of battle because he felt so ashamed of what he was doing - even though it was from direct authority of the pope that they go out and do this.
People kill for religion when they have been prepositioned in such a way; almost like they feel that if they leave the church or question it, they are doomed to hell or something. By all means, question because you can only figure out what is true, when you can identify what is a lie no? Killing is on the " most detestable things to God" list in Proverbs - so any faith of God that prepositions any of it's believers to kill...sketchy.
I'm sorry, I always pick at you about the Catholic Church
I do like to chat with other religions about theology because it helps me grow. My old neighbor was presbyterian pastor and when we got together time flew! 5 hours seemed like 30 minutes just discussing God. If we got to something we disagree we listen to each other views and left it at that. We focused only in the good, and when we talked about the bad, we talked about what good came from it. I moved so now we do not see each other so much.
Someone can accept that god is real and not yet know He is real. To believe (according to the Bible) is not just to accept something as true, genuine, or real. If a person accepts that God is true, genuine, and real, this does not guarantee salvation, but it's a step to personally knowing God. The dictionary definition does not meet the requirements to be saved, it only meets the requirements of the first step in what it means to really believe. Knowledge is substance, evidence, and proof, and this has nothing to do with the action of believing. A person does not need proof, evidence, or substance to believe in God, but after they believe, they will recieve the substance, evidence, and proof.
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Within the field of psychology of religion, there is a branch called "transpersonal psychology". Cross-culturally, in all faiths, people grow as adults through four stages, in order. Not everyone gets to all of them. They are, legalism, negotiation, miracles, and oneness with God. Each stage is a separate, complete paradigm for reality. People cannot grow to the next stage until something goes seriously wrong with their ability to explain reality. Further, people separated by an intermediate stage cannot talk to each other very well about God, or even about reality; they simply use the words differently. But people at any stage are always wanting to grow to the next, even if only subconsciously. The desires to grow, as they are expressing themselves as advice sought, but not understood, are the arguments you see.
A person at the first stage sees everything as law. He will not cross against a red light, because "those who know best" have set that up to "keep society organized". A person at the second stage realizes that everything is the way it is because people are different; he will cross against a light if there are no cars coming, because "we all have to live together". A person at the next stage lives by the miraculous; the lights he needs to cross at, are always green. Finally, a person at the last stage knows God is in control of traffic lights, and accidents, and policemen.
The reason you get two answers, is that most of our society is at one of the two first stages. There are two more answers, which I kind of hinted at, but very few people ever meet anyone at those stages who is still talking about it. Start classifying what you hear against that four stage framework, and you will find complete internal consistency from people in each stage. Play with the ideas a little, and you will see how it affects everything in human communication.
A person at the first stage sees everything as law. He will not cross against a red light, because "those who know best" have set that up to "keep society organized". A person at the second stage realizes that everything is the way it is because people are different; he will cross against a light if there are no cars coming, because "we all have to live together". A person at the next stage lives by the miraculous; the lights he needs to cross at, are always green. Finally, a person at the last stage knows God is in control of traffic lights, and accidents, and policemen.
The reason you get two answers, is that most of our society is at one of the two first stages. There are two more answers, which I kind of hinted at, but very few people ever meet anyone at those stages who is still talking about it. Start classifying what you hear against that four stage framework, and you will find complete internal consistency from people in each stage. Play with the ideas a little, and you will see how it affects everything in human communication.
FALLEN ANGEL.....
what i am about to say... many will disagree... yet it is GOD'S HOLY TRUTH... not because i say it... but because GOD says it.
i sat here and read all the comments and saw all the variances just as in the days of old yet i see you are closer to that truth than others and are seeking for GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
GOD is PERFECT and so is GOD'S HOLY WORD... the HOLY BIBLE... from beginning to the end... and not only that... the entirety of that HOLY BIBLE... MUST be taken literally and spiritually together. we also MUSTN'T add our own interpretation to GOD'S HOLY WORD but take it as it is stated by GOD HIMSELF.
GOD has always provided someone to represent him on earth and to speak GOD'S GODLY TRUTH... for we see this throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD. for GOD always sent his truth to us and it was made known.
for instance... i believe solomon says it best... " there is NOTHING new under the sun. "
example... when my LORD JESUS CHRIST was here on earth... my LORD JESUS CHRIST had the ONLY TRUE WORD OF GOD.
now the temple had many different organized belief systems already established and all claimed to have GOD'S TRUTH yet even they couldn't agree amongst themselves about GOD'S HOLY WORD and this was all ran by ONE MAN... the High Priest... hope you caught that about the temple and how it compares to today...
yet my LORD JESUS CHRIST came bringing GOD'S HOLY WORD and was the ONLY one who had GOD'S HOLY TRUTH... just as the prophets who were a shadow of what was to come... and also Paul through DIVINE REVELATION FROM GOD HIMSELF revealed the office of the prophets has never been dismissed by GOD for we see prophets are still in the new testament even till our day and age.
many will disagree and say otherwise yet GOD'S HOLY WORD states he is the same yesterday, today, and forever... as well as even stating GOD NEVER CHANGES in Psalms.
so explain why we question GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and change its DIVINELY INTERPRETATION to only satisfy ourself or mans contorted version of GOD'S HOLY TRUTH instead of just staying with what it says. is it because just as in the days of Moses at Sinai the people feared GOD'S HOLY PRESENCE and wanted to deal with GOD by other means as in such away as to lower GOD so that we may feel better bout ourselves?
you see GOD'S HOLY WORD is written on white paper with black words and is also written on white paper with white words... waiting to be revealed to those who can accept it from GOD HIMSELF. this is stated and shown throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD.
the real question here is... how far you do you really want to go with GOD because it is already finished... and all we have to do is BELIEVE FAITHFULLY and take GOD'S HOLY WORD AS IT IS WRITTEN and as GOD'S HOLY TRUTH even if ourselves get in the way saying this is crazy to believe.
remember GOD'S HOLY CHILDREN are considered crazy to the world for we see that which is not and call it to be so.
there are so many examples of this throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD.
so this being said then... there must be GOD'S HOLY TRUTH being said here and now and not only by GOD'S HOLY BIBLE but also by GOD'S HOLY CHILDREN....
our example for this... the disciples... for my LORD JESUS CHRIST was gone from earth yet GOD'S HOLY TRUTH remained and was being spoken and taught... and still the world religions fought against it.
so this must be even now... for how do we know when GOD'S TRUTH IS BEING SPOKEN... because even then with the many different Holy Temple organized belief systems under one roof... the sheep still came for they recognized GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
i pray you truly seek this out and i pray what i have said to you from my heart and full of love... awakens you to realize that GOD'S HOLY WORD is still here on earth just as it has been from the beginning even unto eternity for GOD'S HOLY WORD NEVER DIES.
i would love to speak to you more on GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and begin a journey you never thought possible if you are truly ready and willing to seek GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
just be ready for the world will turn against you and the battle becomes greater for the hour is nigh and we all must seek GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and BELIEVE...
what i am about to say... many will disagree... yet it is GOD'S HOLY TRUTH... not because i say it... but because GOD says it.
i sat here and read all the comments and saw all the variances just as in the days of old yet i see you are closer to that truth than others and are seeking for GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
GOD is PERFECT and so is GOD'S HOLY WORD... the HOLY BIBLE... from beginning to the end... and not only that... the entirety of that HOLY BIBLE... MUST be taken literally and spiritually together. we also MUSTN'T add our own interpretation to GOD'S HOLY WORD but take it as it is stated by GOD HIMSELF.
GOD has always provided someone to represent him on earth and to speak GOD'S GODLY TRUTH... for we see this throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD. for GOD always sent his truth to us and it was made known.
for instance... i believe solomon says it best... " there is NOTHING new under the sun. "
example... when my LORD JESUS CHRIST was here on earth... my LORD JESUS CHRIST had the ONLY TRUE WORD OF GOD.
now the temple had many different organized belief systems already established and all claimed to have GOD'S TRUTH yet even they couldn't agree amongst themselves about GOD'S HOLY WORD and this was all ran by ONE MAN... the High Priest... hope you caught that about the temple and how it compares to today...
yet my LORD JESUS CHRIST came bringing GOD'S HOLY WORD and was the ONLY one who had GOD'S HOLY TRUTH... just as the prophets who were a shadow of what was to come... and also Paul through DIVINE REVELATION FROM GOD HIMSELF revealed the office of the prophets has never been dismissed by GOD for we see prophets are still in the new testament even till our day and age.
many will disagree and say otherwise yet GOD'S HOLY WORD states he is the same yesterday, today, and forever... as well as even stating GOD NEVER CHANGES in Psalms.
so explain why we question GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and change its DIVINELY INTERPRETATION to only satisfy ourself or mans contorted version of GOD'S HOLY TRUTH instead of just staying with what it says. is it because just as in the days of Moses at Sinai the people feared GOD'S HOLY PRESENCE and wanted to deal with GOD by other means as in such away as to lower GOD so that we may feel better bout ourselves?
you see GOD'S HOLY WORD is written on white paper with black words and is also written on white paper with white words... waiting to be revealed to those who can accept it from GOD HIMSELF. this is stated and shown throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD.
the real question here is... how far you do you really want to go with GOD because it is already finished... and all we have to do is BELIEVE FAITHFULLY and take GOD'S HOLY WORD AS IT IS WRITTEN and as GOD'S HOLY TRUTH even if ourselves get in the way saying this is crazy to believe.
remember GOD'S HOLY CHILDREN are considered crazy to the world for we see that which is not and call it to be so.
there are so many examples of this throughout GOD'S HOLY WORD.
so this being said then... there must be GOD'S HOLY TRUTH being said here and now and not only by GOD'S HOLY BIBLE but also by GOD'S HOLY CHILDREN....
our example for this... the disciples... for my LORD JESUS CHRIST was gone from earth yet GOD'S HOLY TRUTH remained and was being spoken and taught... and still the world religions fought against it.
so this must be even now... for how do we know when GOD'S TRUTH IS BEING SPOKEN... because even then with the many different Holy Temple organized belief systems under one roof... the sheep still came for they recognized GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
i pray you truly seek this out and i pray what i have said to you from my heart and full of love... awakens you to realize that GOD'S HOLY WORD is still here on earth just as it has been from the beginning even unto eternity for GOD'S HOLY WORD NEVER DIES.
i would love to speak to you more on GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and begin a journey you never thought possible if you are truly ready and willing to seek GOD'S HOLY TRUTH.
just be ready for the world will turn against you and the battle becomes greater for the hour is nigh and we all must seek GOD'S HOLY TRUTH and BELIEVE...
also i know what others may say... no i don't look for self glory or self righteousness... nor do i claim to be a prophet or anything else.
in fact i only claim to be a true seed of GOD and give GOD ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY...
FOR WITHOUT GOD I AM NOTHING AND WITH GOD I AM A TRUE SEED OF LIGHT BEFORE ALL CREATION.
in fact i only claim to be a true seed of GOD and give GOD ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY...
FOR WITHOUT GOD I AM NOTHING AND WITH GOD I AM A TRUE SEED OF LIGHT BEFORE ALL CREATION.