How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

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CS1

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But when the High Priest asked Jesus if he was God, he replied "I am".
If you're saying saying he was telling a fib, be careful or you'll end up on here..:)-

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What is your point? I said Jesus is God are you in agreement or not?

Of course not because Jesus made it clear many times that he wasn't God.
Heck, even God himself called him his son-
"This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matthew 17:5)
If you disagree with God be careful, the naughty step..;)
 

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Of course not because Jesus made it clear many times that he wasn't God.
Heck, even God himself called him his son-
"This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matthew 17:5)
If you disagree with God be careful, the naughty step..;)
Sorry to disagree with you If Jesus is the Son of God who has been with God from the Beginning and God is Eternal, Jesus has all the attributes of the Eternal God, that means HE is God.

Are we to worship man or only God? The word is very Clear Only God is to receive Worship. Yet Jesus did.
 

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But if Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)

And Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?
It is often claimed by those who reject the deity of Christ that in Mark 10:17-22 Jesus denies His divinity by rejecting the notion that He is good. It reads as follows:

“As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. ‘Good teacher,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?’ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good – except God alone. You know the commandments: Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’ ‘Teacher,’ he declared, ‘all these I have kept since I was a boy.’ Jesus looked at him and loved him. ‘One thing you lack,’ he said. ‘Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’ At this, the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.”

Is Jesus here rebuking the man for calling Him good and thereby denying His deity? No. Rather, He is using a penetrating question to push the man to think through the implications of his own words, to understand the concept of Jesus’ goodness and, most especially, the man’s lack of goodness. The young ruler "went away sad" (Mark 10:22) because he realized that although he had devoted himself to keeping the commandments, he had failed to keep the first and greatest of the commandments—love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength (Matthew 22:37-38). The man’s riches were of more worth to him than God, and thus he was not "good" in the eyes of God.

Jesus’ fundamental lesson here is that goodness flows not from a man’s deeds, but rather from God Himself. Jesus invites the man to follow Him, the only means of doing good by God’s ultimate standard. Jesus describes to the young ruler what it means to follow Him—to be willing to give up everything, thus putting God first. When one considers that Jesus is drawing a distinction between man’s standard of goodness and God’s standard, it becomes clear that following Jesus is good. The command to follow Christ is the definitive proclamation of Christ’s goodness. Thus, by the very standard Jesus is exhorting the young ruler to adopt, Jesus is good. And it necessarily follows that if Jesus is indeed good by this standard, Jesus is implicitly declaring His deity.

Thus, Jesus’ question to the man is designed not to deny His deity, but rather to draw the man to recognize Christ’s divine identity. Such an interpretation is substantiated by passages such as John 10:11 wherein Jesus declares Himself to be “the good shepherd.” Similarly in John 8:46, Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” Of course the answer is "no." Jesus was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), holy and undefiled (Hebrews 7:26), the only One who “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The logic can thus be summarized as follows:
1: Jesus claims only God is good.
2: Jesus claims to be good.
3: Therefore, Jesus claims to be God.

Such a claim makes perfect sense in light of the flow of Mark’s narrative with regards to the unfolding revelation of Jesus’ real identity. It is only before the high priest in Mark 14:62 that the question of Jesus’ identity is explicitly clarified. The story of the rich young ruler is one in a sequence of stories designed to point readers toward Jesus as the eternal, divine, incarnate Son of God.
https://www.gotquestions.org/good-God-alone.html
 

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Of course not because Jesus made it clear many times that he wasn't God.
Heck, even God himself called him his son-
"This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matthew 17:5)
If you disagree with God be careful, the naughty step..;)

cherry picking a verse here and there is not proper exegesis. John chapter one is very clear Jesus is God.

If you are trying to use human rational to explain the Eternal Godhead which no one can do because we are limited. Pride is the only thing that must be the driving point of the argument. You don't understand the Son because you don't know the Father.

THree ways to receive Revelation:

1. General revelation= Creation
2. Special revelation= The word
3. Illumination= relationship
 

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What is the Executive summary of this thread?
I don't know because I am not the Executive :)


But, I think it was a subtle attempt to bring in those from the past who were let go due to the teaching of no Trinity and have their Joan of Ark moment. The Trinity concept is a Biblical one and is in mainstream Christianity Because it has been seen in the very word of God for over 2000 years. Human reasoning and the spirit of anti-Christ attack the Deity of Christ to only lessen Jesus from who He said he is, just like the old Gnostics.
 

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Do you believe they are not contradictory? Why?
Do you rely on faith to believe they are consistent with each other? Is that an excuse or a reason?

Inquiring minds want to know! Leave your answers below, eh.
Read Isaiah 9:6. This is a perfect a description as any, but it is yet a mystery to be revealed come the Kingdom. God bless you.
 
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What is the Executive summary of this thread?
That the Son had to fully obey the Law including loving His Father with His whole heart, mind and soul and His neighbor as Himself in order to save us. He did that by being obedient to the Father and the Law in offering His life on the cross for our sins in order to save us as the Law required of Him. Psalm 119 is His prayer for life and to be raised from the dead according to the promise of life in the law to Him(Leviticus 18:4-5) that the Man Who accomplished the law would live and be raised to life again even though He died to save us.
 
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too bad it has become a game for some. it is no game to Him. it is the truth and honors Him in every way.
 
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cherry picking a verse here and there is not proper exegesis. John chapter one is very clear Jesus is God...

Should we follow John or Jesus?
When Jesus asked his disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter said-
"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
See, if Jesus was God himself he'd have said to Peter "Wrong, try again"
PS- I know as much about fancy words like 'exegegis' as I know about women, i.e.- nothing..:)
 

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Should we follow John or Jesus?
When Jesus asked his disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter said-
"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
See, if Jesus was God himself he'd have said to Peter "Wrong, try again"
PS- I know as much about fancy words like 'exegegis' as I know about women, i.e.- nothing..:)
John is where you get the information about Jesus. You would not know how to Follow Jesus if it were not John who wrote what Jesus said and did.

Your logic is ridiculous. and you know even less about the word of God too. LOL.
 
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The logic can thus be summarized as follows:
1: Jesus claims only God is good.
2: Jesus claims to be good.
3: Therefore, Jesus claims to be God.

Wait a minute muchacho, Jesus said to some bloke-
“Why do you call me good?...no one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
Which is yet another verse in which Jesus makes it clear he wasn't God..:p
 
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..Your logic is ridiculous. and you know even less about the word of God too. LOL.

Mate, if Jesus was God, surely you don't think God worked in a carpenters shop for 29 years making tables and chairs instead of doing more important work like running the universe?..:)
 

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"For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers," Titus 1:10
 

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Mate, if Jesus was God, surely you don't think God worked in a carpenters shop for 29 years making tables and chairs instead of doing more important work like running the universe?..:)

your ability to mock and scoff at our Lord only proves your lack of reverence for our Lord. Please continue.
 
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your ability to mock and scoff at our Lord only proves your lack of reverence for our Lord. Please continue.
You and the 'Jesus was God' brigade are the ones who mock God by suggesting he worked in a carpenters shop..:p
I could even go further and say I bet satan is chuckling at the way he's suckered some people into disrespecting and belittling God by saying such a thing.
I bet your nannies are very cross with you..:)

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You and the 'Jesus was God' brigade are the ones who mock God by suggesting he worked in a carpenters shop..:p
I could even go further and say I bet satan is chuckling at the way he's suckered some people into disrespecting and belittling God by saying such a thing.
I bet your nannies are very cross with you..:)

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You and the 'Jesus was God' brigade are the ones who mock God by suggesting he worked in a carpenters shop..:p
I could even go further and say I bet satan is chuckling at the way he's suckered some people into disrespecting and belittling God by saying such a thing.
No, sir, we are not attacking the Lord and speaking profanely of HIm. You are.