How does a person get into the ' body of Christ ' ?

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notuptome

notuptome

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throughfaith said:
So a person today can be saved by denying the resurrection happened ?
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The question has no bearing on salvation. Please provide a scripture that states the belief in the resurrection is necessary to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
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throughfaith

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pittsburghjoe said:
There are two camps on this.
  1. God died for every sin ever
  2. God died for the sins of those in the Book of Life
I have been going back and forth on this question over the past week. I questioned why God would bother suffering for hitler’s sins. But at the same time, we are talking about God here, He could handle it.

Romans 5​
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.​
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Ephesians 1:4​
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4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love​
Jesus had a connection to us before we were born. We were in Him. That gives Jesus a way to access all sins.

I feel like removing the sins of the unbelievers kind of takes away from the title of "the savior of the world".

“And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”​
1 John‬ 2:2‬ KJV‬‬​
Why wouldn't they specify when saying this:?:
"the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people."

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”​
Acts‬ 17:30-31​
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I think Jesus gets to judge the world because everyone was involved in what He did.

I also think the Cross is dual purposed. Sins of the world and a door to Life/Truth. We need both fixed to be saved.

Extra bonus: For as the [human] body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body [the Body of Christ] , whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the Body [of Christ] is not one member, but many. (1 Cor 12:12-14)
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pittsburghjoe said:
There are two camps on this.
  1. God died for every sin ever
  2. God died for the sins of those in the Book of Life
I have been going back and forth on this question over the past week. I questioned why God would bother suffering for hitler’s sins. But at the same time, we are talking about God here, He could handle it.

Romans 5​
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.​
​

Ephesians 1:4​
​
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love​
Jesus had a connection to us before we were born. We were in Him. That gives Jesus a way to access all sins.

I feel like removing the sins of the unbelievers kind of takes away from the title of "the savior of the world".

“And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”​
1 John‬ 2:2‬ KJV‬‬​
Why wouldn't they specify when saying this:?:
"the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people."

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”​
Acts‬ 17:30-31​
​
I think Jesus gets to judge the world because everyone was involved in what He did.

I also think the Cross is dual purposed. Sins of the world and a door to Life/Truth. We need both fixed to be saved.

Extra bonus: For as the [human] body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body [the Body of Christ] , whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the Body [of Christ] is not one member, but many. (1 Cor 12:12-14)
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1¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful IN CHRIST Jesus:

2¶Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST :

4According as he hath chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, THAT we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION ( ROM 8.23 ) of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
oyster67

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throughfaith said:
What would be specific and necessary to believe ? What specifically MUST one believe and what cannot be omitted in believing before God saves them . And which scriptures to support ?
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oyster67 said:
Believe and Receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. We should explain who He is, what He did for them, and why He did it.
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John 3:16

Not very complicated, is it?
 
notuptome

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Scribe said:
There is a lot to say about the different uses of fleshly in context. It is of the flesh to debate. It is also flesh to commit fornication. It is flesh to adhere to legalistic ordinances thinking that they earn your rightstanding with God.

There is a carnal mind that is thinking that wisdom is related to eloquence when the wisdom from God is the Power of God and the foolishness of preaching the cross. To the wise in this world (carnal) it is foolishness.

As stated in the scripture you posted those who practice fornication are not going to inherit the kingdom of heaven therefore it is impossible to call them carnal christians. They are deceived and will wake up in hell with eternal regret having discovered that they were not part of the "Christians" in truth but only falsely claiming to be of that number. There is a carnal Chiristian and they are needing to repent of their immaturity but it is not related to drunkeness and fornication but thinking that Apollos preaches better than Paul.

And also if a teacher were to argue about things that are not important but are not false doctrine they are building with wood, hay and stubble and it will not endure the fire, they will not receive a reward for all those hours wasted trying to convince someone of bad hermeneutics on an interpretation. They will still be saved but suffer loss of rewards. Not fornicators and drunkards but these who argue about a wisdom that is of the flesh and not of the Spirit. We have many of them here in CC. They bristle and rage and their hackles rise when someone refutes their pet interpretation and they go on and on, thread after thread and it is all wood hay and stubble.

Paul did not call the fornicators carnal Christians. He said they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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There is a great deal of error presented in this post. I will not get into specifics since the poster has me on ignore. Suffice it to say that carnal Christians are those who exhibit little to no sanctification. They are very difficult to identify separately from unsaved individuals. Hence the reason that God separates the tares from the wheat at the judgment seat.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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throughfaith

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notuptome said:
The question has no bearing on salvation. Please provide a scripture that states the belief in the resurrection is necessary to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Rom 10.
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 cor 15 1-4

¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also you are saved , if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I mean can they believe that Jesus was Just a good man that wasn't Lord ?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Do you get that salvation is a two tier system? The sins of the body and knowing the truth. Jesus doesn't give anyone a free pass by dying for their sins. That is only one tier.
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I believe 2cor 5.19 is true .
 
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throughfaith said:
I believe 2cor 5.19 is true .
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to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

How is this an argument?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

How is this an argument?
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What do you understand its saying?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
You've dodged everything I posted to you today. This isn't fun anymore.
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I thought that 1 verse would be easy enough to explain? As for a two tier system, I've literally no idea what your talking about ?
 
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throughfaith said:
There's no water in Eph 1.13 . Romans 10 9-15. 1 cor 15 .1-4 .
No water here 1 cor 12 .

13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The term baptised doesn't always mean water .
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The only time baptism is spoke of in any other way was when John the Baptist said the one coming after him would baptise in fire. Speaking of Jesus.
 
pittsburghjoe

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throughfaith said:
I thought that 1 verse would be easy enough to explain? As for a two tier system, I've literally no idea what your talking about ?
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to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Is more evidence that Christ took on the sin of the world. He didn't let it unto us. The word ..the Truth is what we need for reconciliation.
 
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Tiers
  • Reconciliation (reconnecting to God), Truth, Life ..The Way
  • Sin
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
The only time baptism is spoke of in any other way was when John the Baptist said the one coming after him would baptise in fire. Speaking of Jesus.
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Says you . Show me water in Eph 1.13 and 1 cor 15.1-4 ?
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The only time baptism is spoke of in any other way was when John the Baptist said the one coming after him would baptise in fire. Speaking of Jesus.
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So you do recognise that the word ' baptise ' is not always associated with water ?
 
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