How does a person get into the ' body of Christ ' ?

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Blackpowderduelist

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Short answer, believe and be baptized.
 
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JBTN

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Ephesians 1:13 covers it.

“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/114/eph.1.13.nkjv

The only requirements given here are to hear the word and believe it.
 
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Scribe said:
Now pay attention:

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Galatians 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Even though it will be argued about I will follow the scriptural pattern and teach that Baptism in water is included in these references to Baptism in the scriptures as it relates to being added to the church. We see that in Acts 2 which sets the pattern. Though it is definitely the invisible faith related spiritual aspect of that act that is also emphasized nevertheless the reference to baptism in water is included and often simply assumed since baptism in water was a normal thing that was taught, practiced and every Christian took part, There is of course an invisible spiritual reality of what the Spirit does in the heart of the believer in adding him/her to the church. As a matter of fact baptism in water was a matter of immediate urgency in the New Testament but has become almost a "when you get around to it" option today that should be restored without putting more emphasis on the act than faith in Jesus. Now y'all can go ahead and argue about it, I am not confused and I won't waste time arguing about it. I will just baptize new converts and let the arguers argue about it until Jesus comes, meanwhile new converts will be getting baptized in water in my church every Sunday, or at least that is one of the goals.
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I would turn to passages such as Eph 1.13 , Romans 10.9 and 1 cor 15 ,1-4 . Notice what's absent ?
 
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oldethennew said:
'any man that does not have The Spirit of Christ, is none of His'.
(Repent-be baptized) and you shall receive the GIFT of The Holy Spirit'.
Acts. 2:38.
one has to BELIEVE that HE IS, or they can never 'come to Him' -
and no man can come to Him, unless The Father draws him'...
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Given the details in Acts 2.38 I wouldn't use it .It says to Israel, in order to recieve the Holy Spirit you need to be baptised. Thats not how we are saved today.

The Son draws after the cross so anything exclusively done by the father seems to change after the cross . John 12.32
 
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Scribe said:
The reason Paul said they were carnal was that their were divisions among them not because they were worldly. I am not trying to split hairs but sometimes I hear people talk as if they think that Paul said willfully indulging in the lusts of the flesh because you don't want to give up the pleasure of sin is a carnal Christian. But that is not what he was talking about.

1 Cor 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

So it is true that many of those who fall into the sin of arguing with strangers on the internet here on CC are carnal Christians, it is not true that this is OK. :)
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1 Corinthians 3:3
3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Galatians 5:19-21
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I think the "babes in Christ" had a spiritual problem much deeper than merely disagreements on doctrine. They were worldy at least at the time of those writings. Most likely they were Christians who were new to the faith and still had not been transformed completely by the Holy Spirit. Yet they are "in Christ." Because they are saved through faith.

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notuptome

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We are saved by grace received through faith. Eph 2:8-9 We cannot merit salvation we do not deserve salvation. Salvation and being added into the body of Christ are the same thing.

Water baptism does not contribute to salvation. Holy Spirit baptism is the means by which Christ adds us to the body. Titus 3:5 I am all for water baptism after salvation in the order that Philip baptized the eunuch in Acts 8:31-39.

The blood of Christ provides the atonement for our sins. The grace of God makes the atonement efficacious for each individual soul that surrenders itself to the will of God and trusts Christ for salvation.

John 3:16-17 is the gospel in a concise form and can be explained in under 2 minutes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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throughfaith

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notuptome said:
We are saved by grace received through faith. Eph 2:8-9 We cannot merit salvation we do not deserve salvation. Salvation and being added into the body of Christ are the same thing.

Water baptism does not contribute to salvation. Holy Spirit baptism is the means by which Christ adds us to the body. Titus 3:5 I am all for water baptism after salvation in the order that Philip baptized the eunuch in Acts 8:31-39.

The blood of Christ provides the atonement for our sins. The grace of God makes the atonement efficacious for each individual soul that surrenders itself to the will of God and trusts Christ for salvation.

John 3:16-17 is the gospel in a concise form and can be explained in under 2 minutes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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And the resurrection?
 
Magenta

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JBTN said:
Ephesians 1:13 covers it.
“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation;
in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/114/eph.1.13.nkjv
The only requirements given here are to hear the word and believe it.
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Romans 10:17 + Galatians 3:5:)
 
pittsburghjoe

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We are already in the body of Christ ..the deal breaker is on opening the door to the Truth/Life. Baptism goes with it of course.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Ephesians 1:4​
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love​

Jesus had a connection to us before we were born. We were in Him. That gives Jesus a way to access all sins.
 
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throughfaith

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pittsburghjoe said:
Ephesians 1:4​
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love​

Jesus had a connection to us before we were born. We were in Him. That gives Jesus a way to access all sins.
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If we were in him before you were born , before the fall and before you sinned , ,how did we get out of him ?
Eph 2
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

What if he loses you again?
 
pittsburghjoe

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throughfaith said:
If we were in him ,how did we get out of him ?
Eph 2
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

What if he loses you again?
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It's a difference of Sin of the Body ..vs the Truth of the Mind.
 
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