How Jewish should a Christian be?

[pottersclay]

​In this thread I thought I'd throw a couple of issues I've pondered for sometime.
Please don't bring your swords to this thread only your convictions and what the Lord has shown you.
Now we know that christian roots are found in Judaism, our God is the Hebrew God.
Jesus is the son of David, born a Jew...etc and Jesus was the final sacrifice.
We can't escape the fact that most of what is associated with jesus is found in Judaism, baptism, last supper, etc. So how Jewish should a Christian be?


2nd Where do you think the old testament ended or should of ended.
Do you think that the book of Malachi is proper or did it end with the beheading of John the baptist? Or did it end at the book of acts?
Since the promise of the messiah is in the old some say the birth of Jesus is proper but it wasn't untill his death and resurrection that the new covenant was established.

I hope you understand what this post is asking as I have a hard time expressing my thoughts in type so don't beat me up to bad and be kind to others.

 

[Angela53510]

The Jews thought the Old Testament ended with Malachi, so I am going with that.

As for me being Jewish, not at all. I have not rejected Christ as the Messiah. I follow him, as he has fulfilled the Old Covenant. No need to relive the OT. We just need to walk with Jesus. Every day!

 

[LOLOKGal]

​Please don't bring your swords to this thread only your convictions and what the Lord has shown you.

I know you asked, "Please don't bring your swords..." However, you did mention, "only your convictions". As I read your questions, only verses came to mind as to why I’m convicted to do what I do.

I don't practice Jewish customs, even though, according to Paul, I am adopted into God's family. "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not." 1 Cor 10:23 I could practice Jewish customs, if I wanted to, but it doesn't edify me. I have practised the passover before. But it was only a couple of times and it was more of a learning experience. It was to show us the Jewish custom. I enjoyed it greatly, I saw how every element was describing Jesus and His sacrifice. However, because Jesus became my passover, I don't practice it regularly.

You mentioned baptism & the last supper (or communion). Here's why I believe we should continue baptisms and communion:

-Baptising is part of the great commission that Jesus gave us: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt 28:19

-Communion - Jesus said, "this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:19

So, after sharing these things with you. I am convicted to, "in everything you do, do it all to the glory of God." 1 Cor 10:31

 

[Babylonisfalling]

Christians don't need to be concerned with being Jewish. We have connections to Judaism and hopefully we have mutual respect but we're still not Jewish and don't need to worrying bei g Jewish in any way.

 

[Stonemason]

We probably take this better than, "How Jewish are Muslims?".

I am Christian. Of course the origin of the faith is from Judaism, and many of the first converts were Jews, but I am not these, nor is my mother a Jew. I have a personal relationship with my Savior. So, no matter to what aspect of OT I appeal or discuss, I am not "Jewish". Christian faith has its own identity, disparate.

 

[oldthennew]

for my wife and myself, our bones go back to Genesis...
our earthly heritage is in our loins, which is a shadow of our Spiritual heritage..

ZEK. 8:23. - Thus saith The LORD of Hosts;
In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations,
even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you:
for we have heard that God is with you.

 

[oldhermit]

Why on earth would you wish to be Jewish? To what possible end???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As Jewish as Adam, Abel, Seth, Noah and his sons and Abraham were..

That should be enough.

 

[valiant]

​In this thread I thought I'd throw a couple of issues I've pondered for sometime.
Please don't bring your swords to this thread only your convictions and what the Lord has shown you.
Now we know that christian roots are found in Judaism, our God is the Hebrew God.
Jesus is the son of David, born a Jew...etc and Jesus was the final sacrifice.
We can't escape the fact that most of what is associated with jesus is found in Judaism, baptism, last supper, etc. So how Jewish should a Christian be?


2nd Where do you think the old testament ended or should of ended.
Do you think that the book of Malachi is proper or did it end with the beheading of John the baptist? Or did it end at the book of acts?
Since the promise of the messiah is in the old some say the birth of Jesus is proper but it wasn't untill his death and resurrection that the new covenant was established.

I hope you understand what this post is asking as I have a hard time expressing my thoughts in type so don't beat me up to bad and be kind to others.

Judaism could be said to have ended with the coming of John the Baptist as he pointed ahead to the Messiah. His baptism had nothing to do with the old Jewish washings which never cleansed but was a pointing ahead to the coming of the Holy Spirit like showers of rain (Isa 32.15; 44.1-5; 55.10-17; etc).

However Jesus pointed to him as the greatest of the prophets Which may therefore point to Jesus' own coming as the end of Judaism.

The baptism mentioned in Matt 28.19 was a new thing. Up to that time we have no reason to think that Jesus and His followers baptised, although the disciples previously had done in parallel with the mission of John.

All that is true in Judaism was fulfilled in Christ. Christ therefore made all things new. The old was gone, the new has come. A Christian therefore has no need to be 'Jewish' whatever that means. He is a Christian.

It is the church of Jesus Christ who are the true Israel which is made up of all who believe truly in the Messiah. They are freed from the old Jewish practises.

 

[didymos]

​...So how Jewish should a Christian be?...

You might also ask: how 'christian' should a jew be? I mean, sure, technically speaking they worship the same God, but they don't accept His Son as their Lord and Savior. The ones that do (messianic jews) still obey the jewish commandments, and often try to impose them on others. Ultimately God's 'chosen people' should accept Christ as their Messiah, as Paul quotes Isaiah: As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God (Rom 14:11). In the worship of Christ we're one:There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28). I sometimes wonder if the second coming will for the jews be the long awaited first coming, like it says in Rev: Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”So shall it be! Amen. (Rev 1:7)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Christianity has nothing to do with being Jewish. It is rooted in, and a continuation of, the faith of Abraham.

The old covenant ended at the cross when the new covenant was sealed.

 

[KJV1611]

Christianity is not an an offshoot of Judaism.... Judaism is a perversion of Christianity. Unsaved Jews from Old Testament times til todays times have mixed a little Old Testament Christianity with their true religion Kabbalah... this is where the Jews Holy book the Talmud comes from.

The Old Testament saints were saved Christians just like we are, the only difference between us and them is they looked forward to the cross and we look back. They celebrated the shadows of the spiritual realities, we celebrate the real spiritual realities i.e. Passover, Unleavened Bread, Sabbath, 10 commandments etc.

Shadow celebration ended when the real thing came so I believe the Old Testament ended when Christ died.

 

[popeye]

Tha PRIESTHOOD changed at Jesus' baptism by John and is why Jesus said to permit it at that time.

The new covenant was sealed in blood at Heb Ch 9.

Depending on how you look at it,you could draw the line a couple places.

Several dynamics' there.
John
Zacharias'
Jesus
Passover
Blood
Cross
The 2arks
& so on.

The key is the priesthood.

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 2:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Tha PRIESTHOOD changed at Jesus' baptism by John and is why Jesus said to permit it at that time.
...

The key is the priesthood.

I believe this is right. It follows the OT pattern. Jesus was first immersed in water, then anointed with the holy spirit.

And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons to the doors of the tabernacle of witness, and thou shalt wash them with water. And thou shalt put on Aaron the holy garments, and thou shalt anoint him, and thou shalt sanctify him, and he shall minister to me as priest. Exodus 40:12-13​

And then Jesus gave the law of the new covenant.

​Thus if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood, for on the basis of it the people received the law, what further need [is there] for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek and not said to be according to the order of Aaron? For [when] the priesthood changes, of necessity there is a change of the law also. Hebrews 7:11-12​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I believe this is right. It follows the OT pattern. Jesus was first immersed in water, then anointed with the holy spirit.

And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons to the doors of the tabernacle of witness, and thou shalt wash them with water. And thou shalt put on Aaron the holy garments, and thou shalt anoint him, and thou shalt sanctify him, and he shall minister to me as priest. Exodus 40:12-13​

And then Jesus gave the law of the new covenant.

​Thus if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood, for on the basis of it the people received the law, what further need [is there] for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek and not said to be according to the order of Aaron? For [when] the priesthood changes, of necessity there is a change of the law also. Hebrews 7:11-12​

And this proves that the law of the new covenant was changed from the law of Moses to the law of Christ. This is in accordance with:

I will raise them up a Prophet [Christ] from among their brethren, like unto thee [Moses], and will put my words [law] in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words [law] which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19​

 

[Blain]

​In this thread I thought I'd throw a couple of issues I've pondered for sometime.
Please don't bring your swords to this thread only your convictions and what the Lord has shown you.
Now we know that christian roots are found in Judaism, our God is the Hebrew God.
Jesus is the son of David, born a Jew...etc and Jesus was the final sacrifice.
We can't escape the fact that most of what is associated with jesus is found in Judaism, baptism, last supper, etc. So how Jewish should a Christian be?


2nd Where do you think the old testament ended or should of ended.
Do you think that the book of Malachi is proper or did it end with the beheading of John the baptist? Or did it end at the book of acts?
Since the promise of the messiah is in the old some say the birth of Jesus is proper but it wasn't untill his death and resurrection that the new covenant was established.

I hope you understand what this post is asking as I have a hard time expressing my thoughts in type so don't beat me up to bad and be kind to others.

You are asking very legit questions Firstly yes Jesus was Jewish there is no doubt about this but what makes a jew a Christian is the relationship with God not lineage. For instance when I look at the cross I can easily see the top of it as heaven the bottom as earth the right Jews and the left gentiles and Jesus on that cross completes and connects them all which is why the scriptures say

Galatians 3:28-There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
As for the ending of the old testament that would really depend on the eye of the beholder, personally I think the new testament truly began when Jesus died and rose again breaking the chains of sin and making salvation a free gift to all

 

[FreeNChrist]

​In this thread I thought I'd throw a couple of issues I've pondered for sometime.
Please don't bring your swords to this thread only your convictions and what the Lord has shown you.
Now we know that christian roots are found in Judaism, our God is the Hebrew God.
Jesus is the son of David, born a Jew...etc and Jesus was the final sacrifice.
We can't escape the fact that most of what is associated with jesus is found in Judaism, baptism, last supper, etc. So how Jewish should a Christian be?


2nd Where do you think the old testament ended or should of ended.
Do you think that the book of Malachi is proper or did it end with the beheading of John the baptist? Or did it end at the book of acts?
Since the promise of the messiah is in the old some say the birth of Jesus is proper but it wasn't untill his death and resurrection that the new covenant was established.

I hope you understand what this post is asking as I have a hard time expressing my thoughts in type so don't beat me up to bad and be kind to others.

I'm not Jewish.

 

[pottersclay]

weather or not you want to believe, your faith and the practice of it is very jewish.
Now think about it if you have a never changing God that started with the Jewish people then what changed? Only the covenant all the rest has been fulfilled or is about to.
Do you realize your faith our religion (how ever you look at it) has matured through the centuries proving the promises of God and proving that he is a living God? The one and only God. This should excite you and bring you joy.
From the alter of Abraham to the temple of Jerusalem to the promise of messiah God has brought you this far and what a journey it's been.
Have you forgotten you are grafted into the seed of Abraham?
As for the feasts and celebrations of the Jews commanded by God what would it have to do with us?
You cannot deny that Jesus's favorite passtimes were to eat and fellowship.
Now the Jews of old priests and Pharisees saw it a burden for the people to present the sacrifice missing the example of the suffering messiah God had given them.
Furthermore they concluded that by the following of the law and the circumcision were there righteousness in short but, what else was happening when these practices took place? Fellowship, intimacy with the Lord , iron sharpening iron, prayer, confession, being in one accord before the one God. We have no use for the temple any more nor the offerings of old for Jesus was the perfect and excepted sacrifice for forevermore.
But we need the fellowship that intimacy in one accord with the lord that these celebrations provided and instilled. You see we are missing a example the Lord has given us. This is just a little of the posting I will be doing on this thread, your viewpoints are much appreciated remember be kind.

 

[FreeNChrist]

weather or not you want to believe, your faith and the practice of it is very jewish.
Now think about it if you have a never changing God that started with the Jewish people then what changed? Only the covenant all the rest has been fulfilled or is about to.
Do you realize your faith our religion (how ever you look at it) has matured through the centuries proving the promises of God and proving that he is a living God? The one and only God. This should excite you and bring you joy.
From the alter of Abraham to the temple of Jerusalem to the promise of messiah God has brought you this far and what a journey it's been.
Have you forgotten you are grafted into the seed of Abraham?
As for the feasts and celebrations of the Jews commanded by God what would it have to do with us?
You cannot deny that Jesus's favorite passtimes were to eat and fellowship.
Now the Jews of old priests and Pharisees saw it a burden for the people to present the sacrifice missing the example of the suffering messiah God had given them.
Furthermore they concluded that by the following of the law and the circumcision were there righteousness in short but, what else was happening when these practices took place? Fellowship, intimacy with the Lord , iron sharpening iron, prayer, confession, being in one accord before the one God. We have no use for the temple any more nor the offerings of old for Jesus was the perfect and excepted sacrifice for forevermore.
But we need the fellowship that intimacy in one accord with the lord that these celebrations provided and instilled. You see we are missing a example the Lord has given us. This is just a little of the posting I will be doing on this thread, your viewpoints are much appreciated remember be kind.

Christianity is not the religion of Judaism.