How long is the tribulation?

KJV1611 · Jan 22, 2017

Maybe that verse is not the literal sun, moon and stars. It could be referring to these maybe?

Jeremiah 8:1-2 KJV
At that time, saith the Lord , they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:

[2] And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Ahwatukee · Jan 22, 2017

Hello iamsoandso,

Forgive me but, you are reading the scripture incorrectly. Here is the scripture:

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days."

The word "and" in the verse above link both the abolishing of the sacrifices and the abomination being set up, as taking place at the same time. The daily sacrifice being abolished and the abomination being set up, both take place in the middle of the seven years, which is supported by Dan.9:27:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

In the scripture above, the putting an end to the sacrifice and offerings and the setting up of the abomination, both take place in the middle of the seven years. The 1290 days specified in Dan.12:11 is 30 days beyond the 1260 days specified in Dan.9:27. In fact, there is 1290 and 1335 days mentioned beyond the 3 1/2 year mark, which will most likely be due to events such as the separation of the sheep and the goats, as well as other millennial business.

Neither the ruler who makes the seven year agreement with Israel, nor the sacrifices/offerings and abomination have been fulfilled and are yet future. The last part of Dan.9:27 which says "until the decree is poured out on him" is regarding his being cast into the lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, as revealed in Rev.19:20

iamsoandso · Jan 22, 2017

I agree, in the paragraph you are quoting from me I was giving an "in general" calculation hence "unless it's a day for a year..."

I also tossed this through my mind that if you look at it one way it says one thing,but then if you look at it another it means something different ect.(your type example) as if the daily/AOB are the same event or that they happen simultaneously AOB is set up causing the daily to cease.

In Daniel 12:1 when Michael is mentioned "at that time" there is a "time of trouble". Then in Daniel 12:2 many of those awake but some of them awake to everlasting contempt. So the time he is referring to, "end,time of the end" ect. is when both those mentioned "shall wake" so he is mentioning both the first resurrection and the second resurrection of the dead.

The time of trouble is mentioned (vrs.1) and then it's ask when this would happen (vrs.6),"how long" and then in (vrs 11) it references back to Daniel 11:31 and and says from that point in time there was 1290 days. So they will pollute the sanctuary,take away the daily and place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The thing is in the order of events of ad70 the tribulation took place first,and then the temple was destroyed. And so the verse in Daniel 11:31 that Jesus is quoting takes place after the thing he told them to look for and know when to flee and not before. So why would he give the daily/AOB as a warning of when to flee to escape the tribulation of those days if the daily and the AOB were to come after the tribulation?

By the way I don’t think it came to pass then either. Something did,and Jesus very well was describing that certain events were unfolding, but what? It is something that few try to account for but the beast that receives a deadly wound and ascends out of the bottomless pit when did it receive it's wound?

dcontroversal · Jan 22, 2017

KJV1611 said:

Not hardly............The sun going dark and the moon going dark and not giving light testifies.....you really need to lose this (everything is symbolism blindness) bro......serious!

tanakh · Jan 22, 2017

KJV1611 said:

Thats a good point. I don't have an answer but it goes to show just how difficult it is to fully understand the last days. This seems to tie in with the Temple of Ezekiel that is also measured.

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

Spurgeoncy said:

Because, the 'grammar of the language' indicates it.

Pay close attention to phrases like "but the end is not yet" ( and, followed by "For..." ) in Matthew and Mark - and "But before all these" in Luke.

Follow the link in my signature to my 'Olivet Discourse' page and read the comments column of the chart.

EDIT: Also look at the small chart ( 'Chronological Order' ) below the main chart.

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

PlainWord said:

"No, He does not..."

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

KJV1611 said:

"I can't believe you said that..."

I think it is pretty clear that the [ "final" ] sacrifice of Christ-on-the-cross ended the need for daily [ or any other kind of ] sacrifices under the law.

Jews were still under the law until then. ( Colossians 2:14 )

garee · Jan 22, 2017

KJV1611 said:

Yes, the renting of the vail was the beginning of Jacob's trouble ,It was the time of refomation. It brought much confusion to the Jew. The same contusion the outward Jews experience today

KJV1611 · Jan 22, 2017

GaryA said:

I said it because I don't know eveything lol... the really important stuff is usually hidden in the details and what the masses think about the matter is usually wrong.

Something very special happened 1335 days after the daily sacrifice was taken away. I'm thinking it might be the resurection of the old testament saints or maybe pentecost... I'm not sure yet what the 1335th day brought.

dcontroversal · Jan 22, 2017

KJV1611 said:

I did not believe in miracles until now (the bolded) HAHAHHA

jokes of course..peace bro

Ahwatukee · Jan 22, 2017

Hello iamsoandso,

The beast is that angel of the Abyss spoken of in Rev.9:11 at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. When the Abyss is opened, then those demonic beings come out and torment the inhabitants of the earth with tails and stings like that of a scorpion. This is the same time there their king, that angel of the Abyss comes out. I think that you will agree that if this event had happened in anytime in history that it would have been recorded.

The antichrist, who will be empowered by the beast who comes up from the Abyss, is the one who receives the fatal wound, which will be for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth. In addition, that second beast, the false prophet, will be performing miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the beast who receives the fatal wound. All of these will be done for the purpose of supporting the beast who will be proclaiming himself to be God.

Regarding this antichrist/beast, from the middle of that future seven years the whole world will marvel after him. His mark will also become mandatory in the middle of the seven years so that unless anyone has it they will not be able to buy or sell. The way that is going to work is that, this coming mark will replace all other forms of buying selling, leaving only that mark/device as a way of electronic crediting and debiting.

Needless to say, none of the above has yet taken place, but is coming soon. To see the technology for that coming mark, please click on the link below:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

PlainWord:

Your post #249 is expounding on verse 6.

I said verses 7-8, not 6, occurred after verses 21-26.

Look at the small chart of my Olivet Discourse web page, as mentioned in post #266.

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

GaryA said:

"OOPS! Sorry. My mistake. I misread something somewhere. Please disregard post #273..."

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

PlainWord said:

I agree that it had to have started ~70 A.D.; however, how do you explain verse 29?

GaryA · Jan 22, 2017

GaryA said:

Nonetheless, I still stand on what I said in posts #246, #266, and #267.

Spurgeoncy · Jan 23, 2017

GaryA said:

Verses 7-8 refer to events of the entire 40 year period before the last week.

Verse 24 refers specifically to the period after 64AD. At the end of 64AD a comet appeared, which gave rise to the idea that the Jewish Messiah was imminent.

Numbers 24 17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

Timeline · Jan 23, 2017

dcontroversal said:

KJV1611 said:

Matt 27:51-53
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. [SUP]52 [/SUP]The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; [SUP]53 [/SUP]and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

Acts 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:15-21
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; [SUP]16 [/SUP]but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Even on My bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]‘And I will grant wonders in the sky aboveAnd signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Acts 2:37-47
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” [SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” [SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” [SUP]41 [/SUP]So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. [SUP]42 [/SUP]They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; [SUP]45 [/SUP]and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, [SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Romans 10:12-13
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; [SUP]13 [/SUP]for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Romans 10:16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” [SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,And their words to the ends of the world.”

Rev 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus

dcontroversal · Jan 23, 2017

Timeline said:

Matt 27:51-53
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. [SUP]52 [/SUP]The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; [SUP]53 [/SUP]and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

Acts 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:15-21
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; [SUP]16 [/SUP]but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Even on My bondslaves, both men and women,
I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit
And they shall prophesy.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]‘And I will grant wonders in the sky aboveAnd signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Acts 2:37-47
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” [SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” [SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” [SUP]41 [/SUP]So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. [SUP]42 [/SUP]They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; [SUP]45 [/SUP]and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, [SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Romans 10:12-13
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; [SUP]13 [/SUP]for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Romans 10:16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” [SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,And their words to the ends of the world.”

Rev 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus

Nice....a bunch of jumbled scripture, no context and proves what exactly.....my point still stands.....and the context of gathering the saints from one end of heaven unto the earth and from the UTTERMOST parts of the earth is at the end of the age...NOT 1st CENTURY A.D.

Timeline · Jan 23, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Yes, the End of that Age - Not the end of the World.

PS - It's funny that you criticized me for quoting Scripture. Scripture that mentions specifics that were in the scripture that you quoted.

How long is the tribulation?

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