How long 'til the end?

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 13, 2015

I made a color coded list awhile back to show how close I think we really are....

Jesus gave us a brief history of what was to be fulfilled before His return, and our redemption. Without getting into the many symbolisms found in the book of Revelation I thought perhaps a simple overview of this prophecy might let people know how close we really are to that time being fulfilled.

Note Blue shall= being fulfilled, while red shall be unfulfilled, purple can be neutral.

One of the easiest prophecies to understand is found in Matthew 24:14“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”

I believe the first part in blue has been fulfilled, but the red part is yet to be fulfilled. But let’s look at the rest of the prophecy and see just where we are in that prophecy time line, I’m going to use the book of Luke because it gives more insight into the time line.

Luke 21:5-28[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Note, the question the disciples asked Jesus was about the Temple at Jerusalem they were presently looking at, not some future temple.
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8 [/SUP]And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. (fulfilled)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass;(fulfilled) but the end is not by and by. (the end is not fulfilled)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. (partially fulfilled)

Note Jesus takes us near the end there, but brings us back in verse 12 by saying “but before all these things”
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12 [/SUP]But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it shall turn to you for a testimony.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:[SUP]15 [/SUP]For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.[SUP]18 [/SUP]But there shall not an hair of your head perish.[SUP]19 [/SUP]In your patience possess ye your souls. (fulfilled but ongoing)

Note, now Jesus is answering the original question of what will become of the temple and Jerusalem.
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20 [/SUP]And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.[SUP]23 [/SUP]But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations(fulfilled) and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (fullness of Gentiles not yet fulfilled)

Note what event marks the completion of “times of the Gentiles being fulfilled”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; (partially fulfilled)

Note, the nations have been in distress ever since the Arab spring uprising, and there has already been signs in the sun and moon 2014 and also coming in 2015. But the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] seal sign will follow to confirm this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled, as we see in next verse.
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26 [/SUP]Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (6[SUP]th[/SUP] seal sign)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.” (yet to be fulfilled)

So we see by Jesus’ testimony how close we really are to the final events leading up to the coming of the Lord. One other thing I would like to mention is this. The time period between the Covenant God made with Abraham at 99 years of age… to the New Covenant in Jesus blood was approx. 1986 years. We at this current time are approx. 1983 years from the New Covenant Jesus brought in at age 33 till now. There is only a few years difference between the 2 time periods, give or take based on approximation. Just all the more reason to watch!

Willie-T · Apr 13, 2015

Before we go on, how are we using Luke to discuss Matthew? Not sure I'm following that.

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 13, 2015

Willie-T said:

You need to look at prophecy by all scripture of course, including all the gospel accounts. But Luke puts the time frame in better perspective because it speaks of the "times of the Gentiles" being fulfilled "after those days" of tribulation to the Jews, this first tribulation period starting right after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 ad as Jesus said.

jb · Apr 13, 2015

phil112 said:

Matt 24v3: "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

The disciples asked the Lord Jesus what will be the sign off His Coming (and off the end of the age), and in reponse He directs them to (the last week of) Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy in Matt 24v15 (Dan 9v27, 11v31, 2Thess 2v3,4), especially to the 2nd three and a half year period which will commence when Antichrist breaks the covenant, sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem claiming that he is God, the period of three and a half years that ensues He calls the Great Tribulation (also called "the time of Jacob's trouble) and it is immediately after this three and a half year period that the Lord Jesus comes in great power and glory! Jer 30v7, Dan 12v1, Matt 24v21,29-31, Rev 6v12-17, 7v14, 11v15-19.

So, we will know seven years (and especially the last three and a half years) before His second Coming when He is actually going to appear in great power and glory to destroy the wicked, bring His people home and bring in the Millennium Kingdom! Matt 13v30, Rev 11v15-19

Yahweh Shalom

dcontroversal · Apr 13, 2015

No man can know the exact timing of the end of the age, but Paul told the church at Thessalonica that they were not in darkness that that day should OVER TAKE THEM AS A THIEF and that they could (as well as us) understand the signs of the times to the extent that we can see it coming and know that it is near...the context is the parousia (2nd Coming) of Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him....including the day of the Lord, Christ and God commencing.......!

PeterJens · Apr 13, 2015

Why will the end come? It has not happened for 2000+ years, so why now?

Some believe the church will dominate the world. But then some believe pigs will fly.
Some want Israel to build the temple again, or create such a mess everything will fall apart.

I tend to think looking at the world today, it has never been such a good place to be alive.
From 1800 or about to 1980 the average maximum age of the guys was 40 years old in my family. They were desperately poor, lived a very hard life, and many children died in their youth. Today ones children will probably make it to old age 70+, and have good health, education, food, safety etc. Yes there are problems, but they are being tackled.

So the picture of the world getting worse is just not there. In fact justice on a personal level is more accessible than ever before and means of good civil government is spreading round the world.

Jesus says that the love in people hearts will grow cold. In some regards as expressed through charitable support, the caring professions etc. love is very much alive and kicking. Some would say love is actually more alive outside some churches than within.

So I am not sure I buy the doom and gloom end times plot line. I would buy more easily the line love conquers all, which is the theme Jesus preached and lived. But this line of attack does not match the prophecy led judgement story line so often pushed in christian circles.

Willie-T · Apr 13, 2015

PeterJens said:

Why will the end come? It has not happened for 2000+ years, so why now?

Some believe the church will dominate the world. But then some believe pigs will fly.
Some want Israel to build the temple again, or create such a mess everything will fall apart.

I tend to think looking at the world today, it has never been such a good place to be alive.
From 1800 or about to 1980 the average maximum age of the guys was 40 years old in my family. They were desperately poor, lived a very hard life, and many children died in their youth. Today ones children will probably make it to old age 70+, and have good health, education, food, safety etc. Yes there are problems, but they are being tackled.

So the picture of the world getting worse is just not there. In fact justice on a personal level is more accessible than ever before and means of good civil government is spreading round the world.

Jesus says that the love in people hearts will grow cold. In some regards as expressed through charitable support, the caring professions etc. love is very much alive and kicking. Some would say love is actually more alive outside some churches than within.

So I am not sure I buy the doom and gloom end times plot line. I would buy more easily the line love conquers all, which is the theme Jesus preached and lived. But this line of attack does not match the prophecy led judgement story line so often pushed in christian circles.

I can hardly believe I am agreeing with you on something (pinch me!) Not to mention that some sources have the number of new Christians at 10,000 a day.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 13, 2015

No man knows the hour or date.. but ------>The Father knows the exact Date, Time, Second as to when the Big Eternal Combine will start--------> Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the Flesh, Glorified and seated at the Right Hand of the Father, has the 'keys' to START THAT BIG ETERNAL COMBINE.. When the Father says to 'start that Combine'.. He will... The Fields are Ripening.. the 'weeds of apotasy are abounding'.. not quite to their 'full allowable strength and power' but close.... these 'weeds' growing up right along side the 'Good Seed'. The Indicators are here.. He said you would see those 'signs'.. or tokens of His Soon Appearing.. oh yes.. Christ is the Only One Worthy to 'start that Eternal Combine'... when the Father tells Him, its Time... indeed!

dcontroversal · Apr 13, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

No man knows the hour or date.. but ------>The Father knows the exact Date, Time, Second as to when the Big Eternal Combine will start--------> Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the Flesh, Glorified and seated at the Right Hand of the Father, has the 'keys' to START THAT BIG ETERNAL COMBINE.. When the Father says to 'start that Combine'.. He will... The Fields are Ripening.. the 'weeds of apotasy are abounding'.. not quite to their 'full allowable strength and power' but close.... these 'weeds' growing up right along side the 'Good Seed'. The Indicators are here.. He said you would see those 'signs'.. or tokens of His Soon Appearing.. oh yes.. Christ is the Only One Worthy to 'start that Eternal Combine'... when the Father tells Him, its Time... indeed!

Love the symbolism....(Combine) hahahha The parable of the tares and wheat...the combine will be the angels....HAHAH and no they will not be wearing John Deere GREEN HAHAHAHHAH

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 13, 2015

dcontroversal said:

the Angelic work will be APART OF THE ETERNAL COMBINE.. the Combine in a Whole is the Sovereign Hand of God Himself.. take a look in the back of a modern day combine. .very violent, shaking, stirring, more shaking.. to Separate out the Good seed from the chaff and stuff that is not DESIRED.. the Same with the Eternal.. When He begins to Havest.. He Turns the Keys on persay. and thru His Judgment it will become violent as those Judgments are Not Fun.. plus He allows the enemy satan to push forward.. he is violent/murderer/liar.. as these go Forward.. the Good Seed.. those who are HIS.. Truly. will separate out from the chaff and weeds.. indeed.. When a Christian is Refined.. Its with the Sovereign Hand of God. as He allows the enemy and tribulation to approach and confront the Genuine Believer, the 'heat' turned up.. the Total Trust in God Manifested.. whenever you 'refine gold /silver'. a refiner will turn the Heat up to get the best to come forward or separate out from the 'dross'.. With the Eternal.. Its the Same way.. the Sovereign Hand of the Master Potter, His elect are In His Hand.. going from glory to glory.. faith to faith.. growing.. when God Begins His Final Harvest.. the combine will Turn on.. but there are many working parts to the Eternal Combine.. His Sovereign Hand the ENGINE! INDEED! To God be the Glory!

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 13, 2015

The Source of that Power to that Engine. .His Sovereign Hand... would be Christ, the Driver, the source of the power.. He that Gave Himself on the bloody tree.. the ONLY ONE worthy to Open the Seals.. now you understand what goes Hand in Hand with the Start of the Combine.. the start of Daniels 70th week.. God's Got His Own Color of His combine.. God's Combine is Vestured, that Vesture, Red, Dipped in blood.. His apparel or Vesture.. Glorious in its train... God's Combine will Tread out the Winepress! Oh Indeed! ----------------------------------------------------->

Look at Isaiah prophesying of Christ's Yet Return from Heaven in Power and Glory with His Elect angels in tow and His Saints !

*Who is This that cometh from Edom, with Dyed garments from Bozrah? This that is Glorious in His Apparel, Travelling in the Greatness of His Strength? I that speak in Righteousness, Mighty to Save. Isaiah 63

*And I saw Heaven opened, and Behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in Righteousness He doth Judge and Make War.
*His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His Head were many Crowns; and He had a Name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.
*And He was clothed with a Vesture dipped in Blood: and His Name is called The Word of God. Revelation 19

phil112 · Apr 13, 2015

jb said:

What is immediately to God? Is He referring to our immediate or His? Is it 20 minutes? 5 minutes? A week? A year? You don't know. You are making a supposition in lieu of facts. That's a bad way to treat scripture my friend.

He said no one knows, and that means you too.

phil112 · Apr 13, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Hey I wasn't sure if God knew that or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

phil112 · Apr 13, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

We can began the count down when the man of sin is identified.
According to Daniel, there will be 1335 days until the 1000 year of Jesus begins.
The man of sin will reign for 1290 days, and during that time the two witnesses will witness for 1260 days, be killed by the man of sin, lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days before they stand up and are called up into heaven.
During this 1290 days, the saints will be persecuted and killed, Israel will be driven into the wilderness and protected by God for 1260 days, and then after 1290 days the seventh trump will sound, Jesus will return, all the saints that have died will be ressurected, those who are still alive will be changed, the man of sin and the false prophet will be changed in the pit for 1000 years, and for 45 days the seven bowls of Gods wrath will be poured out on the earth.

So Revelation is literal. Thanks. I've been puzzling over it for years thinking symbolism was being used. I'll have to read it again. Should be much easier to understand now that I have the key.

dcontroversal · Apr 13, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

the Angelic work will be APART OF THE ETERNAL COMBINE.. the Combine in a Whole is the Sovereign Hand of God Himself.. take a look in the back of a modern day combine. .very violent, shaking, stirring, more shaking.. to Separate out the Good seed from the chaff and stuff that is not DESIRED.. the Same with the Eternal.. When He begins to Havest.. He Turns the Keys on persay. and thru His Judgment it will become violent as those Judgments are Not Fun.. plus He allows the enemy satan to push forward.. he is violent/murderer/liar.. as these go Forward.. the Good Seed.. those who are HIS.. Truly. will separate out from the chaff and weeds.. indeed.. When a Christian is Refined.. Its with the Sovereign Hand of God. as He allows the enemy and tribulation to approach and confront the Genuine Believer, the 'heat' turned up.. the Total Trust in God Manifested.. whenever you 'refine gold /silver'. a refiner will turn the Heat up to get the best to come forward or separate out from the 'dross'.. With the Eternal.. Its the Same way.. the Sovereign Hand of the Master Potter, His elect are In His Hand.. going from glory to glory.. faith to faith.. growing.. when God Begins His Final Harvest.. the combine will Turn on.. but there are many working parts to the Eternal Combine.. His Sovereign Hand the ENGINE! INDEED! To God be the Glory!

Yeah I know the back of a combine as my cousin grows wheat and soy beans...Two springs ago I had to do a ton of work and maintenance on his and It was very violent.......I understood what you meant bro and was just adding to the thought.....

3Scoreand10 · Apr 13, 2015

phil112 said:

Yes I do believe it is literal.
But remember that John was recording events that would take place in the future and had to do so in a way that his reader would understand. Some things were difficult to describe.
What we call the TRIBULATION PERIOD is actually what Daniel records as the final 70 week (last 7 years) that God will deal with Israel before He returns to rule.
So to understand Revelation one must study Daniel and understand what he says.

Dan58 · Apr 13, 2015

No one knows, all we can do is give our best guess.. My soonest guess would be around 3 years, 6 months, 1 week. and 5.5 days from the time of this posting.. But don't quote me, I could be off 2 to 4 hours

JesusIsAll · Apr 13, 2015

Dan58 said:

You're squandering a great opportunity to put your revelation in a book and sell it. This may help you, a bit of modern best seller book exegesis, like wars in Psalms that aren't anywhere in the Psalm, you could modify your revelation a bit, get more exact, then something like, "Jesus told us that we couldn't know the day and the hour, but He didn't say we couldn't know the minute and the second."

jb · Apr 13, 2015

phil112 said:

The Lord Jesus said "But of that day and hour knoweth no man..." Matt 24v36

We won't know the day or hour, BUT we will know the week by Daniel's 70th week prophecy that the Lord points us to (in answer to the apostle's question, Matt 24v3)! Dan 9v27, Matt 24v15

The Lord Jesus is speaking to His Church and immediately means just that..."IMMEDIATELY"!

DON'T READ INTO SCRIPTURE WHAT YOU WANT IT TO MEAN!

READ WHAT IS THERE!

phil112 · Apr 13, 2015

jb said:

A week, in that prophecy, is seven years. Tell us, within seven years, when the end is then.

How long 'til the end?

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