HOW MANY HOURS WAS JESUS DEAD ON THE CROSS?

[reneweddaybyday]

NO.. One last time.. The Passover day started at sundown tuesday Jesus had his passover / last supper with His apostles After Sundown tuesday.. Therefore Jesus had the passover meal on the right day on Passover AND was executed on the same day Passover..

If you cannot accept it then so be it..

You say:

The Passover day started at sundown tuesday Jesus had his passover / last supper with His apostles After Sundown tuesday.​

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So you believe Jesus celebrated the Passover meal at the beginning of the 14th day ... end of 13th day / beginning of 14th day.


I believe the Passover meal was eaten at end of 14th day / beginning of 15th day.

I also believe that Jesus died at approximately 3:00 p.m. on the 14th day ... and the Passover meal was to be eaten later that evening ... end of 14th day / beginning of 15th day. 15th day is first day of Feast of unleavened bread and as part of the Passover meal, unleavened bread was eaten.


Exodus 12:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

...

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

...

18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

 

[Peterlag]

You're right - by now, I see it wasn't morning, but evening when He died.
But it was still hard to figure out what days were in which He was dead. The Bible doesn't explain how to compare their calendar they were using, with ours. The only places ones can find that is not in the Bible - so hard to tell how trustworthy such a knowledge source is.
I studied the story through Mark, today. I color-coded the events to try to keep track of them.
(1) The first Passover Mark 14:12-54.
(2) Jesus took some disciples with Him up to the Mount of Olives, the next morning - Mark 14:26 I assume it was morning - I can't find the verse just now, but in the Old Testament, somewhere, it said that they were forbidden to go out of their houses until the morning after the day of the Passover was through.
(3) Jesus was arrested during His prayer time there in the Mount of Olives. Peter denied Him 3 times - evidently before the next morning came.
(4) He was brought to trial that morning, and then handed over to Pilate. After which He was shortly crucified. And Jesus died right after a period of 3 hours of darkness. Joseph of Arimathea came and took His body and put it into the tomb that evening. Which was evidently, the day before the "day of preparation" - whatever that means in that passage - either referring to the Sabbath Day or to the 2nd Passover Feast day.
(5) One thing clear is that He was dead for 3 days. Also he rose from the dead on "the first day of the week" - whatever day that might have been on our calendar.
Comment: Like what one Bible commentator said on the subject, He couldn't have died on a Friday and been dead 3 days and rose on the first day of the week, if that day means Sunday. Since 3 days don't fit in that time span.

Also he had more than one hearing. They sent him to another governor who heard his case and then sent him back to someone else. All that took time. No high speed trains in those days.

 

[Peterlag]

I've concluded it seems evident the Bible doesn't make clear (or state in words clearly what days are meant throughout the story) according to the Roman calendar or ours - what days exactly the events of his arrest, crucifixion, burial and rising from the dead took place. Sure there are explanations online - but they aren't from the Bible and so are based on human assumption, I think. All that's clear that I can think of are these things: (1) He died before Sabbath (on someone;s calendar definition of Sabbath day (2) He rose on the 1st day of the week - I'd think that would refer to Sunday (unless it was a different day back then that was regarded as the first day of the week), at least if going by the fact that Jesus rested from creating, on the 7th day - which at the time of the creation - meant the last day of the week -Genesis 2:2, and that He was dead for 3 days for sure -as that is made very clear in the Bible - Matthew 17:23 & Matthew 12:40

Does it say he rose on the first day of the week? Or does it say they came to the tomb early on the first day of the week and he was already up?

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Does it say he rose on the first day of the week? Or does it say they came to the tomb early on the first day of the week and he was already up?

Ok you're right, it does sound like Jesus had risen just before the morning of the next day. Yes, as you say, He'd already risen before the women viewed the scene.
Matt 28:1-2
28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Also he had more than one hearing. They sent him to another governor who heard his case and then sent him back to someone else. All that took time. No high speed trains in those days.

Yes, I thought I was able to count 3 days - I color coded 4 days, according to these labels, (1) The first Passover and His arrest - and His being brought before Annas, the High priest. That was the event in which Peter denied Jesus 3 times, before a rooster crowed. (2) The next morning, very early, He was brought before Pilate. At the end of that trial, Jesus was crucified "in the 6th hour." I looked online again at the Jewish clock and the Roman clock. It looks like the Roman one is the one gone by in the story. According to that Roman clock, He was crucified at 6 PM, and died at about 9 PM. (3) I had counted the following Sabbath - the next day, I mean - as being the 3rd day He was dead. I guess I guessed ok. He must have risen late on Sabbath day. There seems to have been possibly 2 Sabbath days from 2 different calendars, now that I think of it, though. I just finished going through the story in John. And noticed it said that The Passover Feast day in which He died, was also a Sabbath day. A bit confusing. I can't find it but will look again later. From my notes:
John 18:39 Pilate said they had the custom of setting a prisoner free on the day of the Passover. He asked if they'd be willing to set Jesus free in that event.
19:14 It was the day to prepare for the Passover - called "the day of preparation." It was about the 6th hour, at this point.
19:31 Since it was the day of preparation (Passover day) - the Jews didn't want the bodies to remain on the crosses on the Sabbath day. So they asked Pilate if the legs of all the men on the 3 crosses, could be broken, so that they'd die sooner.
19:38-42 Then Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave it. Joseph buried Him in His tomb. And Nicodemus brought along embalming substances. They laid His body in the tomb, because it was Preparation day (Passover day) - and evidently, the sepulchure was in plain view of where the Passover Feast was to take place.
Comments: Sometimes it sounds like the Passover was on a Sabbath day, but I wavered on it. It also sounds (and reasonably so) like the reason they wanted the men off their crosses so they wouldn't be on them on the Sabbath day. But the 3 days in the tomb couldn't have been counted from that Sabbath (whoever's calendar that was going by) since that doesn't give enough time for being dead 3 days.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

No - after thinking it over I see I still don't see it clearly. If He died late on the day before Sabbath day, that would be day 1 of His being dead. The book of John comments nothing about the following 2 days of His being dead. So I can't count any descriptions of those days. But at least, I know that He was dead for 3 days. As I said, I don't know what was then regarded as being the first day of the week, in which He was discovered to have risen from the dead.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

@Adstar ... disagree all you want ... but when you state:

"on the night of the 14th Jesus observed Passover" and that "he was sentenced to death and died in the afternoon of the 14th Passover" (Post #38)​

then what you are claiming is that Jesus ate the Passover meal on the evening of the 13th, which would have been the end of the 13th day / beginning of the 14th day.


iow ... if Jesus died in the afternoon of the 14th day ...

... then Jesus ate the meal on the 13th day ... the end of the 13th day / beginning of the 14th day.

That is clearly stated under your reckoning of the event.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

There were 2 different Passover days set up - which began several days apart from each other. So the Jews must have added an additional Passover.
(1) FIRST PASSOVER:
John 13:2
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
KJV
(2) SECOND PASSOVER
John 18:39
39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
KJV
It looks to me like Jesus was crucified on the 2nd Passover.
By now, I understand that Jesus was crucified at 6 PM
John 19:14-16
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away
KJV
True, it looks like the first Passover meal - eaten by Jesus and His disciples were on the day previous to the Passover Day on which He was crucified. So according to that, it sounds like that first Passover meal would have been on the 13th, and the Passover on which He was crucified, would have been the 14th.
I now see that Jesus died around 9 PM.
Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
KJV

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, I thought I was able to count 3 days - I color coded 4 days, according to these labels, (1) The first Passover and His arrest - and His being brought before Annas, the High priest. That was the event in which Peter denied Jesus 3 times, before a rooster crowed. (2) The next morning, very early, He was brought before Pilate. At the end of that trial, Jesus was crucified "in the 6th hour." I looked online again at the Jewish clock and the Roman clock. It looks like the Roman one is the one gone by in the story. According to that Roman clock, He was crucified at 6 PM, and died at about 9 PM. (3) I had counted the following Sabbath - the next day, I mean - as being the 3rd day He was dead. I guess I guessed ok. He must have risen late on Sabbath day. There seems to have been possibly 2 Sabbath days from 2 different calendars, now that I think of it, though. I just finished going through the story in John. And noticed it said that The Passover Feast day in which He died, was also a Sabbath day. A bit confusing. I can't find it but will look again later. From my notes:
John 18:39 Pilate said they had the custom of setting a prisoner free on the day of the Passover. He asked if they'd be willing to set Jesus free in that event.
19:14 It was the day to prepare for the Passover - called "the day of preparation." It was about the 6th hour, at this point.
19:31 Since it was the day of preparation (Passover day) - the Jews didn't want the bodies to remain on the crosses on the Sabbath day. So they asked Pilate if the legs of all the men on the 3 crosses, could be broken, so that they'd die sooner.
19:38-42 Then Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave it. Joseph buried Him in His tomb. And Nicodemus brought along embalming substances. They laid His body in the tomb, because it was Preparation day (Passover day) - and evidently, the sepulchure was in plain view of where the Passover Feast was to take place.
Comments: Sometimes it sounds like the Passover was on a Sabbath day, but I wavered on it. It also sounds (and reasonably so) like the reason they wanted the men off their crosses so they wouldn't be on them on the Sabbath day. But the 3 days in the tomb couldn't have been counted from that Sabbath (whoever's calendar that was going by) since that doesn't give enough time for being dead 3 days.

This is all that I know...

The High Priest accused him of blasphemy, judged him guilty, and gave him the death penalty (Matthew 26:65-66). The High Priest, Chief Priest, Scribes, and Elders began to torture Jesus. They began by spiting in his face (Matthew 26:67), they blindfolded him and began beating him repeatedly in the face and body with their fists. They must have really pounded the H out of him because the Scripture declares he was beat beyond that of any other man. As he was still blindfolded, they asked him to prophesy who was hitting him, mocking him as a prophet by asking him to identify the unseen attackers (Luke 22:63-64).

Around dawn he was interrogated again and then taken to the Roman Governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate (Luke 22:63-71,23:1). Pilate sent him back to Herod, who along with his soldiers, mocked him and dressed him in royal clothes like if he were a king, and sent him back to Pilate (Luke 23:6-11). Pilate had Jesus scourged, meaning he was savagely whipped by Roman soldiers using whips with bone-like substance at the end of the thongs. A band of soldiers, meaning hundreds, gathered to mock and torture him (Matthew 27:27-31, Mark 15:16-20, John 19:1-3).

Nobody knows if this mocking and torturing continued all night. In the morning the soldiers had to dress him again in his own clothes, which probably caused more pain and bleeding by the changing of the clothing.

I think it would be safe to say that he was probably carried or dragged out of the judgment hall since it does not seem likely he could have walked, being completely battered, a bloody piece of beaten, torn flesh that was not recognizable as a man. He was beaten cruelly with whips, punched repeatedly with the force of a soldier's fist, slapped with palms, and frequently beat with his face covered, and then teased to name who was hitting him. He had thorns beat into his scalp, was physically tortured, and was accused and interrogated totally illegally. He was spit on frequently, dressed and undressed by men, and was paraded as the village idiot—as he was mocked by the torturing soldiers before a crowd seeking his death.

From the time Jesus was arrested to the time he was put on the cross was at least thirty-three hours. During this time he faced unspeakable mental and physical torture, was horrendously flogged, and became a lacerated mass of bleeding flesh, beaten as badly as a man could be without having a bone broken. And then after the preceding hours of beatings, harassment, and physical abuse, he still hung on the tree for six hours after he was nailed to it.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is written, "three nights and three days." This suffices for any who believe.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

From the time Jesus was arrested to the time he was put on the cross was at least thirty-three hours. During this time he faced unspeakable mental and physical torture, was horrendously flogged, and became a lacerated mass of bleeding flesh, beaten as badly as a man could be without having a bone broken. And then after the preceding hours of beatings, harassment, and physical abuse, he still hung on the tree for six hours after he was nailed to it.

In agreement that a detailed study of exactly what occurred between the time Jesus was taken from the garden of Gethsemane to the time He was crucified gives a clear view of His sufferings and really puts in perspective the verse by His stripes we were healed (1 Peter 2:21-24).

 

[CS1]

Watchman Nee?

watchman Nee was a very good teacher. One of the best Rom 6-8 messages I have heard. HE was called a cult by the united counsel of churches I believe but they remove that claim later.

 

[Adstar]

@Adstar ... disagree all you want ... but when you state:

"on the night of the 14th Jesus observed Passover" and that "he was sentenced to death and died in the afternoon of the 14th Passover" (Post #38)​

then what you are claiming is that Jesus ate the Passover meal on the evening of the 13th, which would have been the end of the 13th day / beginning of the 14th day.

No i am NOT..

The 13th day ended at sundown Tuesday... The 14th day started at sundown Tuesday.. Jesus had the Passover meal AFTER SUNDOWN TUESDAY.. TUESDAY NIGHT.. Therefore Jesus had the Passover meal during the 14th day.. NOT on the 13th day..

That has been my claim all along.. But again you persist in being unable to understand such a simple thing.. Even thought i have repeatedly explained it to you again and again..

The next time you reply with the same lack of understanding will be the last time you reply to me because i will block you.. There is only so much a person can take banking their head against a brick wall for nothing.. I should not have even posted this to you.. I should have just blocked you ..

 

[MyrtleTrees]

It is written, "three nights and three days." This suffices for any who believe.

Yes, that's right!

 

[MyrtleTrees]

This is all that I know...

The High Priest accused him of blasphemy, judged him guilty, and gave him the death penalty (Matthew 26:65-66). The High Priest, Chief Priest, Scribes, and Elders began to torture Jesus. They began by spiting in his face (Matthew 26:67), they blindfolded him and began beating him repeatedly in the face and body with their fists. They must have really pounded the H out of him because the Scripture declares he was beat beyond that of any other man. As he was still blindfolded, they asked him to prophesy who was hitting him, mocking him as a prophet by asking him to identify the unseen attackers (Luke 22:63-64).

Around dawn he was interrogated again and then taken to the Roman Governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate (Luke 22:63-71,23:1). Pilate sent him back to Herod, who along with his soldiers, mocked him and dressed him in royal clothes like if he were a king, and sent him back to Pilate (Luke 23:6-11). Pilate had Jesus scourged, meaning he was savagely whipped by Roman soldiers using whips with bone-like substance at the end of the thongs. A band of soldiers, meaning hundreds, gathered to mock and torture him (Matthew 27:27-31, Mark 15:16-20, John 19:1-3).

Nobody knows if this mocking and torturing continued all night. In the morning the soldiers had to dress him again in his own clothes, which probably caused more pain and bleeding by the changing of the clothing.

I think it would be safe to say that he was probably carried or dragged out of the judgment hall since it does not seem likely he could have walked, being completely battered, a bloody piece of beaten, torn flesh that was not recognizable as a man. He was beaten cruelly with whips, punched repeatedly with the force of a soldier's fist, slapped with palms, and frequently beat with his face covered, and then teased to name who was hitting him. He had thorns beat into his scalp, was physically tortured, and was accused and interrogated totally illegally. He was spit on frequently, dressed and undressed by men, and was paraded as the village idiot—as he was mocked by the torturing soldiers before a crowd seeking his death.

From the time Jesus was arrested to the time he was put on the cross was at least thirty-three hours. During this time he faced unspeakable mental and physical torture, was horrendously flogged, and became a lacerated mass of bleeding flesh, beaten as badly as a man could be without having a bone broken. And then after the preceding hours of beatings, harassment, and physical abuse, he still hung on the tree for six hours after he was nailed to it.

I guess I can't see the figures of the timing involved, from His arrest to His death exactly the same as you. But that's not important compared to the importance of what He did for the world, through dying on the cross for the world's sins, of course. As you said, that verse that says He was beaten more than any other man, sure shows that it was an extraordinary amount of suffering He went through on the cross. You brought out a fact I hadn't noticed, about His being beaten - must have been so severe. I know that Simon of Cyrene had to carry His cross on the way to Golgotha.
Thanks for your insights on the story. And going over the story in deep detail, helps make it more meaningful and memorable.

 

[rstrats]

MyrtleTrees,
re: "Yes, it was in the evening, as you say."

Where did I say that it was in the evening?

 

[Peterlag]

I guess I can't see the figures of the timing involved, from His arrest to His death exactly the same as you. But that's not important compared to the importance of what He did for the world, through dying on the cross for the world's sins, of course. As you said, that verse that says He was beaten more than any other man, sure shows that it was an extraordinary amount of suffering He went through on the cross. You brought out a fact I hadn't noticed, about His being beaten - must have been so severe. I know that Simon of Cyrene had to carry His cross on the way to Golgotha.
Thanks for your insights on the story. And going over the story in deep detail, helps make it more meaningful and memorable.

For an in-depth look at the resurrected Christ Jesus...
**link removed**

 

[MyrtleTrees]

For an in-depth look at the resurrected Christ Jesus...
**link removed**

Yes, I see that page in that site, comments about Stephen, who was stoned to death for His faith in God. I agree that when Jesus returns, we'll be given our eternal fleshly bodies, too! As the Bible says, Jesus' resurrection from the dead, is an example of how all who sincerely serve Christ in this life, will be resurrected. And yes, we'll know all things too in a way we were never before capable of before!
1 John 3:2

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
KJV

Rev 21:4-5

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
KJV
It will be amazing to find ourselves and our loved ones looking young again, and healthy, with no diseases, etc.!

 

[MyrtleTrees]

MyrtleTrees,
re: "Yes, it was in the evening, as you say."

Where did I say that it was in the evening?

Well, somehow, I thought you did. In any case, it looks to me like He died in the evening, since that correlates with the time of day the Passover lamb was to be killed and eaten in Old Testament times:
Lev 23:5

5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

In agreement that a detailed study of exactly what occurred between the time Jesus was taken from the garden of Gethsemane to the time He was crucified gives a clear view of His sufferings and really puts in perspective the verse by His stripes we were healed (1 Peter 2:21-24).

Yes, Jesus' death on the cross made possible the attainment to the resurrection and the life! His death provided healing of the greatest sickness there is - that of sin. Adam died from the sin sickness, but all those who sincerely receive jesus as Savior and Lord - are those who are enabled to live forever with God!
1 Cor 15:22-23

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
KJV