How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

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VCO

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That JUDGEMENT could have easily been made back in Genesis. EXCEPT THAT Adam, and Eve would have to be Damned on the spot also, as satan's minions, exactly like ALL HUMANS who are hopelessly mired in their SIN - like you and I were.

BUT HEY!! the Jews will build their worthless temple, welcome their "Messiah", and perish with him.

BETTER READ Zechariah 14, the whole Chapter.
 

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I guess I am the only one left, that can appreciate VERY, VERY Old Art in those Old BOOKS. Oh well, I still am fascinated by this Picture:



It is precious that This Artist from about 1790, shares my field of thought that the TEMPLE belongs on the OPHEL.
 

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Symbolic language make is EASY to develop "Theology". Unimportant. They'll build their "Temple", and celebrate appropriately.

That is as LITERAL as you can GET. You will See Soon.
 

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I guessed that Very, Very Old Book to Be about 1790, and I want you to see how close I was to that. No it is not the same book, Probably different Paper, but the age of the paper looks the right age, and slight deterioration on the Woodcut printing press, is the almost identical. I put a new Date on the right side of the numbers on the paper, so you can see the tip of the 1 broke off, and both edges of the oval see fainter than the rest of the oval. So that means I have looked at lots of Drawings to like that. And the Yellowing of the Paper, is a dead give away. Modern Paper does not yellow like that.

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But Jesus put the major BLAME on the Jewish leaders, who delivered Him to the Romans for the deed to be done. The Romans were nothing but ignorant HEATHENS that didn't have a CLUE. The JEWS had been given the WORD OF GOD, and ignored it in favor of their OWN "Religious system", that continues today.

Since I was a partaker in Jesus' SIN OFFERING, then I agree tha you and I "Had a hand" in the events at Calvary.
Right, but we have to careful of giving the Jews the label of "Christ killer". Yes they missed their Messiah, some, not all. But Romans 11 says God can and will take away their blindness and bring them into a right relationship again.
 

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That JUDGEMENT could have easily been made back in Genesis. EXCEPT THAT Adam, and Eve would have to be Damned on the spot also, as satan's minions, exactly like ALL HUMANS who are hopelessly mired in their SIN - like you and I were.

BUT HEY!! the Jews will build their worthless temple, welcome their "Messiah", and perish with him
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10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."
 

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10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."
What do you think THAT has to do with building a worthless "Temple"??
 

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Right, but we have to careful of giving the Jews the label of "Christ killer". Yes they missed their Messiah, some, not all. But Romans 11 says God can and will take away their blindness and bring them into a right relationship again.

Right, HE laid down HIS life for our Sins.
 

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What do you think THAT has to do with building a worthless "Temple"??
You don't GET IT DO YOU? IT IS NOT A WORTHLESS "TEMPLE", IF IT IS THE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PROPHECY. Learn to FOCUS on the term "worthless", and FIX IT ON GOD AND HIS PLANS.
 

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You don't GET IT DO YOU? IT IS NOT A WORTHLESS "TEMPLE", IF IT IS THE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PROPHECY. Learn to FOCUS NOT on the term "worthless", and then FIX IT ON GOD AND HIS PLANS. FULFILLMENT OF HIS PROPHECY IS NEVER WORTHLESS.
 

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True enough. But it is God -- through His servants -- who made the Jews (not the Romans) DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the murder of Christ. This is something which many Christians miss.

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Acts 2:23)...Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: (Acts 7:51,52)

We should keep in mind that Pontius Pilate tried to prevent the crucifixion of Christ several times, but because he was a coward, he gave in to the Jewish mob eventually. But God already knew this in advance, and it all worked out for plan of salvation.

Ok but again, I say the same thing, we need to be careful of labeling Jews as a whole Christ killers. It's the reason Jews have been persecuted and murdered down through the centuries. So we need to watch who we label.
 

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During the first 3 1/2 years he will be so christlike that they will beg him to be their leader
Yes,but then he will betray them and their blindness will fall off. Then, as the Word says,

“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
 

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During the first 3 1/2 years he will be so christlike that they will beg him to be their leader

Yes, that is what it means when it says a Bow, and no Arrows. He is conquers Peacefully, in fact He is invited to rule. Then he walks into the TEMPLE, and Sits on the Holy of Holies, Mercy Seat. Then He will DEMAND to BE WORSHIPPED LIKE GOD or your Head will come off. And Probably he will put a Guillotine on top of the Wing on a TEMPLE, So everyone can see what he is doing. Yes there is a stairway up there, That was built in to have the Trumpeters up there during FEAST DAYS.

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One of the things was teaching Revelation in the Prison, when I was a Volunteer Chaplain. When I got to this part. I would find usually 2 or 3 inmates, would have a MOCHO attitude, and say something like this: "I don't care what he threatens me with, even the Guillotine. I will never take that Mark." Then I would respond: Okay, so what if he lines up all your Kids, And says I will chop off all of your kid heads and make you watch, if you do not take the Mark.

So what is the MARK ? ? ? The Bible does not say, but it seems to be some type of tattoo.

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

2 Thessalonians 2:4 (ESV)
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
 

VCO

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This is Picture that I have published before. But so many, including most of the Jews have over looked this.


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DOES ANYONE BESIDES ME RECOGNIZE WHAT THOSE INDENTIONS IN THE EAST WALL ARE ? ? ?
I am sure they are VENTS for the BIG STINK rising up from the 300 Horse Stable on the Ground floor of the so-called Temple Mount.
This had to have been Built specifically for the ROMAN X LEGION, and every LEGION had 300 Horse Cavalry. Yes that is the Southeast
Corner. Has anyone ever CONSIDERED how Bad that Smell would BEEN in the SUMMER. NO ONE in his Right Mind, would have put
a TEMPLE CLOSE to those VENTS. I am convinced due to those VENTS, the OPHEL would have been the Logical Choice for the TEMPLE, PLUS there was RUNNING SPING WATER ON THE OPHEL, Warren's SHAFT. Everything in the TEMPLE had to have been washed in LIVING SPRING WATER, Frequently, including the Priests. Here is a close up of one of those VENTS.
. . . . . VENTS
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