How Many Requirements Exist

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God asks that all those who live in heaven be perfect, and no person has ever been perfect since Adam and Eve disobeyed. God made a way for humans to be perfect, God gave forgiveness of sin so through Christ our sin can be wiped out and we are then perfect.

To be forgiven, the Lord asks us to have faith in Christ and what Christ tells us. We must be a forgiver of others to ask Christ to forgive us. . If a person wants to keep a sin, and does not repent of that sin, Christ cannot forgive it but lets the person be imperfect with that sin.

Anyone who accepts the forgiveness with faith in Christ is accepted to live in heaven.
May I ask what you precisely mean by 'heaven' which presumably is where you as a Christian believe you will spend eternity? Is this 'heaven' a spiritual realm i.e. you will be (like) an angelic being?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

The scriptures, by harmonizing with each other will reveal the truth. How does Heb 10:26 harmonize with Rom 7:19? Do you claim to have been revealed the knowledge of the truth?, if so, have you never committed a sin sense you received that knowledge?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Right. If what Jesus has done isn't sufficient then nothing else will be.

Right, the sins of those that Christ died for are looked upon by God as being as far away as the east is from the west.
 

ForestGreenCook

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What Jesus has done isn't sufficient for those who claim to be "Born Again" but are actually "Heretics".

All of those that God gave to his Son to be a sacrifice for their sins will be received into heaven at the last day. Jesus said that he would not lose any of them, but will raise them up at the last day (John 6:39). No sin that they do will cause them to lose their eternal inheritance.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Ask Jesus to forgive your sins and allow the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process.

Those are God's instructions to his born again children as to how he wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here in this world, and they are not requirements on how to get to heaven.
 

Pilgrimshope

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“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:29‬ ‭

the challenge is to learn from him and keep believing when we hear that he’s ac try ally teaching us many decide not to follow him anymore. We can believe in the Jesus the Bible presents and hear what he had to say about salvstion and believe and be saved

but also there are a lot of people saying things in the world and attaching his name to it there are a lot of corrupt versions of preachers teaching about Jesus but many are presenting a different one from scripture

we can always know if we are being bamboozled because we have his own words recorded so we can know what he actually said

all we have to do the one requirement is this

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but we do actually have to do that we have to come and learn from Jesus by hearing what he said to us that will save us if we become a true disciple a true “ student “ of Jesus we’re going to be taught by God the truth of salvstion son ll we really have to do is believe in Jesus and hear what he’s saying he will lead us home from there and it works by faith you learn and grow and learn and grow and learn and grow through life , through time you are being redeemed refined cleansed and purified in the refining fires of the gospel

we just have to really believe the gospel Jesus himself sent into the world for salvstion that’s the gift he’s offered us believe and be saved if we center on Jesus and hold on tight we’re headed home with confidence and faith in him
 

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#27
Titus 3: 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

the requirements are to get washed, and be born again!

and its not because of anything we did.
 

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If today's "pastors" were ligitimate, and they are not, then perhaps the Flock would know the Truth. The way to pass from death to life is by the Circumcision of Christ. When are we going to accept this as the Truth?

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

When will the Lord cause us to be proud of the Holy Word Circumcision instead of being ashamed of it? And that is the requirement, that we are released from the Curse of the Lord, pronounced by the Laws of Moses.

Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

This is so utterly simple, yet virtually no one accepts the above Scripture. And THAT is unbelievable.
 
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Ever pause and ask yourself, “could it really be this simple?”

2 Corinthians 11:3,4
3I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily.
 
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May I ask what you precisely mean by 'heaven' which presumably is where you as a Christian believe you will spend eternity? Is this 'heaven' a spiritual realm i.e. you will be (like) an angelic being?
That’s the most common Christian belief, but I think it’s a bit different. Heaven is being with God forever and God is everywhere.

Matthew 6:19-21
19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
 

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May I ask what you precisely mean by 'heaven' which presumably is where you as a Christian believe you will spend eternity? Is this 'heaven' a spiritual realm i.e. you will be (like) an angelic being?
she means the heavens which God created and where he dwells as his home the heavens the Bible has spoken about since the first verse

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth,

as it is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

She’s talking about the kingdom of God

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬

this place you have to hear about and believe in even though you can’t physically look and see you have faith because Jesus said it

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

just before this happened awhile he said

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

half of creation is hidden from mankind’s sight the only way to know it’s there is to hear about it and believe she’s talking about heaven that other half of creation the eternal part where the Church belongs and where they are called

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-25‬ ‭

we could never understand the promises in gospel if we don’t acknolwedge heavens reality it’s been spoken about from the first verse and through the middle to the end

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭

Inside of you there is a living spirit that makes your body operate , when we die we’re going to enter the other part of creation the spiritual and invisible part To us now that’s where Jesus is and where the believers in Jesus are until this day

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭

she’s talking about that place in the Bible where the invisible but ever present God lives and prepares a home for believers until that day of restitution
 

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#33
Believing Jesus is God, who lived a sinless life, died and rose again to pay for the penalty of our sins. That by believing in Him we have forgiveness of sin and eternal life.

That is all.

See John 3:16, 5:24, 3:36. Romans 10. Plus many other verses.

Water baptism is an act after being delivered that isn't about eternal salvation.

The Holy Spirit coming upon a group of believers through the book of acts isn't eternal salvation. That's a church bring formed.

Simply and purely belief in Jesus who He said He is. There can be no other way.
 

Pilgrimshope

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If today's "pastors" were ligitimate, and they are not, then perhaps the Flock would know the Truth. The way to pass from death to life is by the Circumcision of Christ. When are we going to accept this as the Truth?

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

When will the Lord cause us to be proud of the Holy Word Circumcision instead of being ashamed of it? And that is the requirement, that we are released from the Curse of the Lord, pronounced by the Laws of Moses.

Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

This is so utterly simple, yet virtually no one accepts the above Scripture. And THAT is unbelievable.
“If today's "pastors" were ligitimate, and they are not, then perhaps the Flock would know the Truth. The way to pass from death to life is by the Circumcision of Christ. When are we going to accept this as the Truth?”

amen there’s so much about it in Paul’s letters also it’s hard to believe we often don’t connect the dots but I’m thinking it’s just time and trial and error often we’re not ready to bear it so he doesn’t let us hear it yet so as to not overwhelm us and out too heavy of a lord on us he sometimes keeps us from understanding to keep us from harm and becoming guilty when we’re not ready or able to bear it tangibly yet

sort of you have to allow a babe to drink milk and also eat baby food , not everyone can stomache the steak and potatoes yet and we would t demand of a two year old the same we do from a fifteen year old one is capable of understanding and doing the other isn’t it’s definately a process but we can never lose heart and faith even if we’re not understanding alot yet we do believe with all our heart those things we do understand like this for some brother this is all they really know about but they do believe it and it’s enough for them right now because they really don’t know more

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:1-4‬ ‭

so this makes sense to them and nourishes them now

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they need that milk to establish roots in the rock and the. When rooted this will challenge us to sprout

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

but Christ is revealing things To us as we’re able to grasp and be fruitful in then so we dont condemn ourselves

what I mean is when I was 20 I didn’t know much as I did when I was thirty and I hadn’t really practiced much but then at 40 a began to really be convinced by scriotire that practicing daily was very important but this when I was 20 was nonsense I just know for sure “ I was saved by grace and Jesus came to save me and I believed in his death and resurrection “ in those times but it’s because that’s all I really understood and I was still on the course I’m still on now many decades later I just wasn’t as far along the path yet “I was a babe , then a toddler , then a teen who strayed and became a prodigal , then later after all that I returned to the memory of home with my father “

What I knew and my requirements then , look nothing like now because I’ve learned so now if I revert to life as a babe doesn’t work I’ve already learned and grew and can’t wear diapers and drink milk again at 30, 40 , 50 , 60 or 70 because my body needs food now to grow and be nourished we’re just needing to honor what it is we really understand if the gospel .

mostly we already understand sin is sin and we need to stop it’s why we feel ashamed when we hide sin but we all
Know our own specific amount we just need to live according to that and grow as we go through life
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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“If today's "pastors" were ligitimate, and they are not, then perhaps the Flock would know the Truth. The way to pass from death to life is by the Circumcision of Christ. When are we going to accept this as the Truth?”

amen there’s so much about it in Paul’s letters also it’s hard to believe we often don’t connect the dots but I’m thinking it’s just time and trial and error often we’re not ready to bear it so he doesn’t let us hear it yet so as to not overwhelm us and out too heavy of a lord on us he sometimes keeps us from understanding to keep us from harm and becoming guilty when we’re not ready or able to bear it tangibly yet

sort of you have to allow a babe to drink milk and also eat baby food , not everyone can stomache the steak and potatoes yet and we would t demand of a two year old the same we do from a fifteen year old one is capable of understanding and doing the other isn’t it’s definately a process but we can never lose heart and faith even if we’re not understanding alot yet we do believe with all our heart those things we do understand like this for some brother this is all they really know about but they do believe it and it’s enough for them right now because they really don’t know more

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:1-4‬ ‭

so this makes sense to them and nourishes them now

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they need that milk to establish roots in the rock and the. When rooted this will challenge us to sprout

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

but Christ is revealing things To us as we’re able to grasp and be fruitful in then so we dont condemn ourselves

what I mean is when I was 20 I didn’t know much as I did when I was thirty and I hadn’t really practiced much but then at 40 a began to really be convinced by scriotire that practicing daily was very important but this when I was 20 was nonsense I just know for sure “ I was saved by grace and Jesus came to save me and I believed in his death and resurrection “ in those times but it’s because that’s all I really understood and I was still on the course I’m still on now many decades later I just wasn’t as far along the path yet “I was a babe , then a toddler , then a teen who strayed and became a prodigal , then later after all that I returned to the memory of home with my father “

What I knew and my requirements then , look nothing like now because I’ve learned so now if I revert to life as a babe doesn’t work I’ve already learned and grew and can’t wear diapers and drink milk again at 30, 40 , 50 , 60 or 70 because my body needs food now to grow and be nourished we’re just needing to honor what it is we really understand if the gospel .

mostly we already understand sin is sin and we need to stop it’s why we feel ashamed when we hide sin but we all
Know our own specific amount we just need to live according to that and grow as we go through life
I hear what you're saying, but I'd say that what we need to do is begin reading the Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that we can understand the Story of God, which is also known as the Gospel.

When Philip entered into the chariot of the Eunuch, Philip issued the Gospel of Jesus Christ without the writings of the New Testament. Philip began showing the Mysterious Plan of God to the Eunuch. Philip began to show the Eunuch many things in the ancient writings that likely shocked him. As the Eunuch began to learn the details of Christ (in the Old Testament), and as he began to see the fulfillment of these details through the discussion with Philip, the Eunuch became utterly convinced regarding the Nature of Christ, and his "Father" David, and his "Father" Abraham. The Eunuch became a believer on that day, for the Lord opened his eyes so that he could Spiritually see. The Lord opened the Eunuch's ears so that he could Spiritually hear. And, the Lord gave the Eunuch legs so that he could Spiritually walk, which includes the ability to believe, for Faith is granted, not chosen.

We, as in the "church," are NOT teaching the "flock" what Philip taught the Eunuch. When we are able to figure out why Philip entered the Chariot (he needed plenty of time), and when we figure out all that he spoke to the man, then we can begin to say that perhaps we really understand the Gospel. The Gospel is not . . . "The GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST!" No, that is not the Gospel, but it is nothing more than a simple chapter title of a book. It isn't enough to describe the Gospel, but more, we need to explain it. We need to understand the "workings" of the Gospel. We need to understand the mechanics of the entire Spiritual System called Christianity.

So, as you quoted John 3:16 above, that passage only covered the Purpose of Christ, but it does not cover the Work of Christ or the Effect of Christ's Work. John 3:17, however, indicates that "saving" must take place, and this is the Work of Christ. But how He performs this Work and what is done is not disclosed. It reads as follows: NLT - "God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him."

So how does Jesus save? Colossians 2:9-15 not only tells us that we are brought back to "Life," but it states that we are "complete" by our union in Christ. And this is the Effect of Christ, for, through the Purpose and Work of Christ, we are made whole and complete.

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

This is the "heart" of the Gospel, and nobody, NOBODY talks about it. That is utterly shameful.
 
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she means the heavens which God created and where he dwells as his home the heavens the Bible has spoken about since the first verse

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth,

as it is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

She’s talking about the kingdom of God

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬

this place you have to hear about and believe in even though you can’t physically look and see you have faith because Jesus said it

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

just before this happened awhile he said

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

half of creation is hidden from mankind’s sight the only way to know it’s there is to hear about it and believe she’s talking about heaven that other half of creation the eternal part where the Church belongs and where they are called

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-25‬ ‭

we could never understand the promises in gospel if we don’t acknolwedge heavens reality it’s been spoken about from the first verse and through the middle to the end

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭

Inside of you there is a living spirit that makes your body operate , when we die we’re going to enter the other part of creation the spiritual and invisible part To us now that’s where Jesus is and where the believers in Jesus are until this day

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭

she’s talking about that place in the Bible where the invisible but ever present God lives and prepares a home for believers until that day of restitution
Will: Okay. Thanks for clearing up that point - appreciated.

But the Earth was created for the purpose of providing a Paradise home to humans to live in forever, was it not?

And in Revelation, Jesus informs "Then I saw a new heaven and a new Earth...." Revelation 21: 1ff

Does this not inform that after Armageddon - God's War against corrupt wilfully disobedient humans - that the Earth will be renewed?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Will: Okay. Thanks for clearing up that point - appreciated.

But the Earth was created for the purpose of providing a Paradise home to humans to live in forever, was it not?

And in Revelation, Jesus informs "Then I saw a new heaven and a new Earth...." Revelation 21: 1ff

Does this not inform that after Armageddon - God's War against corrupt wilfully disobedient humans - that the Earth will be renewed?
yeah I’m not sure really what you are asking see from long ago God has been saying this to mankind

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re still living in the first earth the one created from the beginning he’s warning us that it’s going to end and he’s makin a new creation new heaven and new earth in the future and he’s saying “ if you believe your going to live forever in that creation with me until then your going to the kingdom of heaven until I destroy earth and remake everything new so basically we’re in this position

As Christian’s this is our great hope and belief and our current situation as we live earthly life

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-13‬ ‭

like Noah in the gospel God told us it’s all ending someday and he’s promised a better and perfect place for those who believe the gospel of these things he’s promised in his everlasting kingdom that we can hear and believe and trust for salvstion

it’s all there in scriptire but most of it are things we have to believe even though we can’t see proof his word has to prove it to us