How old is our creation really?

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bojack

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That’s actually a lay persons common misunderstanding of “survival of the fittest”. Ecology is a better drive for evolution than that false notion of creating stronger, faster, meaner super beasts.
Yes, I know that didn't work out either so they had to take a different route again .. lol
 

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Evolution does not work in the way of everything becoming better and better. Somethings get better. Somethings get worse. Somethings revert back to previous things.

Whales evolved from tetrapods just like humans. As time went , “primates” had some species that begin to move towards bipedalism. While whales decided to revert back to an aquatic state just like dolphins.

But reverting back to a primitive trait is not synonymous with “devolution “. Neither is retaining primitive traits , such as moss has, in the face of the evolution of conifers or angiosperms.
What was Adam's mother's name and who was Eve's grandmother ?
 

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Yes, I know that didn't work out either so they had to take a different route again .. lol
Science self corrects.

But that’s not the issue here. The issue here is that people who did not fully understand what they were hearing heard jargon like “survival of the fittest” and confused that for constantly evolving new morphological or genetic advancements. But that’s not what it ever meant within the scientific community.

Look at the data on island dwarfism and gigantism.
 

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What was Adam's mother's name and who was Eve's grandmother ?
Few things to consider.

Hebrew is not the oldest known language. The Torah was wrote most likely by Moses who spoke hebrew. In Hebrew Adam means mankind and is a play on the word, adamah. Eve means life. So Adam and Eve meant human and life. It’s not the real name of real people. Adam was referred to as the man, and over time the term , the man, became s personal noun.
 

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Science self corrects.

But that’s not the issue here. The issue here is that people who did not fully understand what they were hearing heard jargon like “survival of the fittest” and confused that for constantly evolving new morphological or genetic advancements. But that’s not what it ever meant within the scientific community.

Look at the data on island dwarfism and gigantism.
Nutrition and isolated genetics
 
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Science self corrects.

But that’s not the issue here. The issue here is that people who did not fully understand what they were hearing heard jargon like “survival of the fittest” and confused that for constantly evolving new morphological or genetic advancements. But that’s not what it ever meant within the scientific community.

Look at the data on island dwarfism and gigantism.
You're fighting a losing battle.

While I understand the desire to hold onto orthodox scientific thinking the manner in which science proceeds makes it hostile to revealed truth. The very ground that science builds on is the supposition that everything can be explained without appeal to God, no matter how much stretching and twisting must be done to maintain such belief.

If you personally can ignore the tension between the two worldviews, it is what it is.

But ultimately the question is what does Scripture say because that is the only sure foundation.

Our perception can be deceived, even more so when it becomes the collective perceptions of a multitude.

So take hold of the sure foundation and only source of true knowledge.
 

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Few things to consider.

Hebrew is not the oldest known language. The Torah was wrote most likely by Moses who spoke hebrew. In Hebrew Adam means mankind and is a play on the word, adamah. Eve means life. So Adam and Eve meant human and life. It’s not the real name of real people. Adam was referred to as the man, and over time the term , the man, became s personal noun.
I have no problem with Hebrew being the first language .. But I'm pretty sure all languages were confused at the Tower of Babel ..
 

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You're fighting a losing battle.

While I understand the desire to hold onto orthodox scientific thinking the manner in which science proceeds makes it hostile to revealed truth. The very ground that science builds on is the supposition that everything can be explained without appeal to God, no matter how much stretching and twisting must be done to maintain such belief.

If you personally can ignore the tension between the two worldviews, it is what it is.

But ultimately the question is what does Scripture say because that is the only sure foundation.

Our perception can be deceived, even more so when it becomes the collective perceptions of a multitude.

So take hold of the sure foundation and only source of true knowledge.
We all love science, science is dependable .. Until you need a miracle
 

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You're fighting a losing battle.

While I understand the desire to hold onto orthodox scientific thinking the manner in which science proceeds makes it hostile to revealed truth. The very ground that science builds on is the supposition that everything can be explained without appeal to God, no matter how much stretching and twisting must be done to maintain such belief.

If you personally can ignore the tension between the two worldviews, it is what it is.

But ultimately the question is what does Scripture say because that is the only sure foundation.

Our perception can be deceived, even more so when it becomes the collective perceptions of a multitude.

So take hold of the sure foundation and only source of true knowledge.
Science has nothing to do with disproving God. The purpose of science is not to disprove a God. The earliest scientists were funded by the church with the goal of learning more about a Gods creation and that is still the same goal for thousands of Christians. What’s not sciences parameters though is saying all knowledge was learned 6,000 years ago and gave to a guy in the desert and those 11 chapters dictates science.

I’m not in a losing battle. Science and my faith is not in any type of contention at all. What’s not found in science, or my faith, is a literal interpretation of genesis 1-11 forcing it to be read as natural history. So again, my beliefs are not anti biblical, or anti science. It’s anti “your interpretation”.
 

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Here's one, pay attention
Do you think there is any reason why the genealogical records within genesis 1-11 is very different from the ones after? Or why did the genealogies of Cain and Seth get wrote completely different?
 

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You're fighting a losing battle.

While I understand the desire to hold onto orthodox scientific thinking the manner in which science proceeds makes it hostile to revealed truth. The very ground that science builds on is the supposition that everything can be explained without appeal to God, no matter how much stretching and twisting must be done to maintain such belief.

If you personally can ignore the tension between the two worldviews, it is what it is.

But ultimately the question is what does Scripture say because that is the only sure foundation.

Our perception can be deceived, even more so when it becomes the collective perceptions of a multitude.

So take hold of the sure foundation and only source of true knowledge.
All truth is a gods truth. Including evolution.
 

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Do you think there is any reason why the genealogical records within genesis 1-11 is very different from the ones after? Or why did the genealogies of Cain and Seth get wrote completely different?
I'm not sure what you're talking about Bro
 

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https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-27.htm

That’s a link to the Hebrew showing what I was referring to as in Adam being a “clade” and eventually a personal name.
anyways I’m off to bed. I have lots of post hurricane sally work coming up. But I’m also working on a fun project for a local private school. It’s a short 4 week mini class that is actually on island evolution using pokemon. The game pokemon, is centered on evolution as a major backstory, and the creators hid tons and tons of real life evolutionary theories and processes in the game. Including island dwarfism and gigantism focused on isolated mutations creating subspecies slightly different from their mainland counterparts. Since it’s for 7th grade, we figured that’s a fantastic introduction to biological processes of speciation.
Goodnight or day and GBU.
 

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I'm not sure what you're talking about Bro
Read Cain’s lineage and then Seth’s lineage. The point of their place in scripture is within the context of what’s wrote. It’s a small but beneficial berean study showcasing the pattern set up throughout the Bible about eternal life vs destruction. Righteousness vs sin.
 

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Read Cain’s lineage and then Seth’s lineage. The point of their place in scripture is within the context of what’s wrote. It’s a small but beneficial berean study showcasing the pattern set up throughout the Bible about eternal life vs destruction. Righteousness vs sin.
And Noah probably had brothers and sisters from Lamech and cousins from Methuselah on back who drowned in the flood too ..
 
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Few things to consider.

Hebrew is not the oldest known language. The Torah was wrote most likely by Moses who spoke hebrew. In Hebrew Adam means mankind and is a play on the word, adamah. Eve means life. So Adam and Eve meant human and life. It’s not the real name of real people. Adam was referred to as the man, and over time the term , the man, became s personal noun.
And I suppose the name Yeshua (which = Salvation) is "not the real name of real people" ;)
 
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Science self corrects.

But that’s not the issue here. The issue here is that people who did not fully understand what they were hearing heard jargon like “survival of the fittest” and confused that for constantly evolving new morphological or genetic advancements. But that’s not what it ever meant within the scientific community.

Look at the data on island dwarfism and gigantism.
Evolutionists push it even further and say bio diversity originated through mutations.
Which to me is the same like saying God created it.
For both there is no proof.
 
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Doesn't evolution teach the strong survive, what happened ?
Surival of the fittest ... the fittest doesn’t mean the strongest. It means the ones who will adapt best to their surrounding will survive.
That is why in theory the Neanderthaler got extinct and the Homo Sapiens could coop with climate change for instance.

(I do not believe this theory but I know this theory and say this for the sake of argument)