How Old Is The Earth?

[Percepi]

The bible is the only true source. I just love your carbon dating machines for accuracy, oops, I mean inaccuracy. Common sense is all it takes to wipe out Evolution. The age of the earth you love to use is so inaccurate. Billions and billions of years ago you say, hardly. You and I were not there so you and I haven't a clue how old the earth is using your source for verification, because it's man made , and you and I being a man were not there to identify anything to use as a way of measuring other than what we have on the earth which you haven't a clue how old it is except for your man made toys which have such a drastic measure of inaccuracies. Data research has such a limit that it's only as accurate as man has been able to leave data from the past, that's all you have and to say something like billions of years being the age of the earth is pure folly, the bible's genealogy on the other hand is accurate.

Please read the links I provided, because you clearly have no understanding of evolution what-so-ever. Nor do you understand carbon dating and its parameters.

We have multiple dating methods, and we use multiple dating methods just in case one dating method doesn't work. If we use two dating methods and the results are different, then we continue to use more dating methods. If one dating method points to 15,000 years and three others point to 800 years old, then we can safely conclude the material dated is around 800 years old.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I provided a link discussing micro and macro evolution. Please refer to the link I provided.



Archaeopteryx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know I linked Wikipedia, but if you have any doubts, just look at the sources near the bottom.



Lol the science you intentionally ignore!

Talking to you is hard, because you essentially put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and shout "THERE IS NO PROOF, THERE IS NO PROOF" whenever I provide the evidence and it's staring you in the face waving flags saying, "HERE I AM", with a full orchestra in the background and neon signs pointing towards it.



The only reason you believe this is because you've listened to frauds. You are ignorant of actual science. What you perceive as actual science is just Kent Hovind or Ken Ham spewing absolute lies.



I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that carbon dating has yielded tremendously flawed dates. The thing is, scientists understand that these flaws exist, and more importantly, they understand WHY these flaws exist. Being aware of why the flaws exist allows scientists to know when to use carbon dating, and when they shouldn't use carbon dating.

(This video contains mild profanity) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvMB57evy4

Carbon dating isn't the only dating method scientists use. There are numerous dating methods out there and multiple dating methods are used on fossils to determine their age as to obtain a more accurate estimation.



You mean the written accounts declaring Ra to be real? Declaring Apollo as the God who raised the sun into the sky? Much of what we find are legends and myths. More reliable than written words is geology.



A good place to start is to actually study evolution.



I'm curious as to what catastrophes you're referring to. I'm also curious where you got the idea that all catastrophes must wipe out all of life.

Heh your flaw here is you think I have always believed in the Bible. The fact is I once argued much in evolution's favor as you have using same arguments. Also investigating both claims. I have to say the Bible has the most proof because they have the clearest cut visible proof. Heh a good place to start is at least the Archaeology and Bible topic on this site which will redirect you to a multitude other soruces and you can add some yourself brother. Trust me I do not know the end all of all, but am beginning to know more.

The problem with the evolutionist standpoint is the many contradictions which they then carry over into the other fields of science like geology and astronomy. For example even the acceptance of the micro-evolution is flawed. Even the viruses do not evolve into different Kinds different than their kind but still have many genetic variants within thier kind. For example a flu virus mutates and develops resistance that can be bred out or bred into its gene pool, but it does not at any point cease to be of the kind of virus that is influenza. Likewise the sedimentation and fossils themselves and how fossils can be found between two strata and how this stratification took place all implies a massive worldwide catastrophe that is talked about in every single ancientmost culture and also the fact we still got the same animals on earth today! How could they have re-evolved the same?

The numerous catastrophes Modern Western Mytholgoy that calls itself "Science" are theories like snowball earth, gulf of mexico meteor, moon formation, etc. You can find that stuff on history channel, science channel youtube, wikipedia, lol tons of theories, many accepted and taught to us in our public schools, many of them all ready discreditted, some still flouted. But what no one ever seems to realize if any one of them is true they would contradict all the others plus all the hard evidence we have.

As for Kent Hovind, I can see some of his flaws and some great theories for him. But I have only seen his flood hypothesis and his hypothesis of a dense atmosphere which as a stand alone theory itself might actually have some merit due to ice core samples from the arctic and animal breeding experiments (though one could of course argue flaws in both of these.) As for Ken Ham I have not seen anything by him yet, lol though I heard the name since ya'll had that topic about him and Bill Nye debating (still gotta watch that debate myself so thanks for inadvertently reminding me!) However just as I can see flaws in Hovind's other theories like earth in 5000 years old and stuff ridiculous like that so too do I enjoy watching all the other vantage points like Dawkins and Carl Sagan (personally between Hovind, Dawkins, and Sagan I like Sagan best though in fairness I have watched and read way more on Sagan than the other two who are somewhat new to me.) Even though I disagree at parts of their theories. Thus is science and theory lol.

 

[Kerry]

Read the forum heading. Good grief not another one. It is not evolution discussion. Craigslist has a wonderful atheist forum that you would enjoy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But there's no evidence of a global flood. (I know, I'm opening up a large can of worms)

You're only assuming there was a massive flood because that's what the Bible said, and therefore you pick out any evidence that might support a global flood. And when people point out how flawed the evidence supporting your claim is, you claim the evidence isn't flawed because if it were, then it would mean the flood never happened, and if the flood never happened, then the Bible would be wrong - which is impossible since it's the word of God.

If you want to have a discussion based on evidence, then let's use the evidence to form the facts, not the facts to form the evidence.

But there is evidence of a Global flood.

Just because you do not want to see it does not make it not so.

All, If not most, Of the evolutionary science to try to disprove a flood has been debunked. or found to be false with actual testing. But of course. There is no need disusing this with you. You will demand we go to a web sight and say that proof. And are not here to discuss anything, like the ones before you, I am sure.

Who's word are we going to trust? God's word... as written down by man and as preached by man, or scientists... men and women who observed numerous types of evidences through double blind experiments that are repeatable and all conclude the same thing?

Relook at your science. Even your own scientists are claiming the test they used are in error.. Many are leaving evolution, because there just is no evidence evolution is true.

 

[Kerry]

We don't know how old the Earth is. We aren't told. At least in my book, Genesis tells us it's way older than man and we don't know what was here before us, Although we have found signs of certain creatures in the dirt. But, we know it was destroyed. The creatures, not the Earth and that's when the Earth became void and full of darkness. Then the six day creation began long after, in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth and has nothing to with the lie of evolution. The fault of evolution is trying to tie the two together. which cannot be done. If science would listen to the bible it would straighten the whole thing out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We don't know how old the Earth is. We aren't told. At least in my book, Genesis tells us it's way older than man and we don't know what was here before us, Although we have found signs of certain creatures in the dirt. But, we know it was destroyed. The creatures, not the Earth and that's when the Earth became void and full of darkness. Then the six day creation began long after, in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth and has nothing to with the lie of evolution. The fault of evolution is trying to tie the two together. which cannot be done. If science would listen to the bible it would straighten the whole thing out.

Um. The bible tells us man was created on day 65. Thus the earth is only 6 day solder than man.

 

[p_rehbein]

Older than some believe.........not as old as some believe..........and...........it won't be around FOREVER!

 

[Kerry]

Um. The bible tells us man was created on day 65. Thus the earth is only 6 day solder than man.

So you believe that God created the Earth void and full of darkness. Everything that I read said that God saw it and that it was good. That words was from the Hebrew can be translated became. It fits and makes since and also the fourth day the words used for the Sun and moon are words of permission rather than creation, notice that he made the sun etc... everywhere else the word formed or created is used. There are other verses that point to it as well.

But, to each their own. Jesus is the core. Amen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you believe that God created the Earth void and full of darkness. Everything that I read said that God saw it and that it was good. That words was from the Hebrew can be translated became. It fits and makes since and also the fourth day the words used for the Sun and moon are words of permission rather than creation, notice that he made the sun etc... everywhere else the word formed or created is used. There are other verses that point to it as well.

But, to each their own. Jesus is the core. Amen

I used to be a gap theorist.

I stopped listening to theories. and started taking the word literally as written.

Theories tend to destroy the meaning of what God said, and anyone can create a theory.

 

[posthuman]

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I find evolutionary theory so dull and lifeless and very, very silly (to me, it's lies/fiction). Even as a child, when I was learning both biblical creation and evolutionary theory, I found the latter bizarre
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your last response to me was already debunked in one of the sources I provided.
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i'd like to see where the idea that evolutionary theory is dull, lifeless and bizzare is debunked!



EDIT:
o i see now that was a mis-communication. nvm.

 

[Percepi]

The fact is I once argued much in evolution's favor as you have using same arguments.

Clearly you had very little understanding of what you argued. You claim carbon dating is unreliable. Yes, there are moments when carbon dating is unreliable, however, scientists are aware of when carbon dating is unreliable. It's well understood in the scientific community.

Heh a good place to start is at least the Archaeology and Bible topic on this site which will redirect you to a multitude other soruces and you can add some yourself brother.

Could you provide a link please? I'll check out whatever sources I can, but I have a feeling I'll have to tackle them one link at a time. I'm fairly confident any creationist sources I stumble upon will be so ridiculously flawed that I'll write walls of text just for a single site. I'll probably end up writing a novel in the end.

For example even the acceptance of the micro-evolution is flawed. Even the viruses do not evolve into different Kinds different than their kind but still have many genetic variants within thier kind. For example a flu virus mutates and develops resistance that can be bred out or bred into its gene pool, but it does not at any point cease to be of the kind of virus that is influenza.

Evolution is gradual. Every generation is fairly identical to the parent generation with only a few minute changes. It's when you have many generations when you begin to see the difference between Generation A and generation K. Generation A and B will be nearly identical, as with B and C, C and D, E and F, etc. But, when you stop comparing parent generations and look at great great great great great great generations, you begin to see the differences.

But, let me not digress too much. You were saying what about Viruses?

The new disease making the rounds this winter sounds like a Steven Spielberg movie in the making: a common cold virus, which spreads via casual contact, mutates into a virulent form that hospitalizes and sometimes kills its victims.

Evolution from a virus's view

Likewise the sedimentation and fossils themselves and how fossils can be found between two strata and how this stratification took place all implies a massive worldwide catastrophe that is talked about in every single ancientmost culture and also the fact we still got the same animals on earth today!

I believe you're confusing rock layers with graded bedding. Could you provide a link sourcing this claim?

But there is evidence of a Global flood.

Such as?

I fear that even if I use science to debunk what proofs you find, you'll turn around and claim "well, science can't be trusted".

All, If not most, Of the evolutionary science to try to disprove a flood has been debunked. or found to be false with actual testing. But of course. There is no need disusing this with you. You will demand we go to a web sight and say that proof. And are not here to discuss anything, like the ones before you, I am sure.

Don't care - still asking for sources.

Relook at your science. Even your own scientists are claiming the test they used are in error.. Many are leaving evolution, because there just is no evidence evolution is true.

Which is why 95% of scientists accept the theory of evolution.

I used to be a gap theorist.

I stopped listening to theories. and started taking the word literally as written.

Theories tend to destroy the meaning of what God said, and anyone can create a theory.

I'm not convinced you understand what a scientific theory is. A theory, according to science, is NOT a "guess", but a well substantiated explanation based on evidence.

But, hey, you admitted it yourself. You're only accepting that which doesn't contradict the Bible. If the Bible said dogs give birth to cats, I'm sure you'd find a way to believe it.

 

[Kerry]

I used to be a gap theorist.

I stopped listening to theories. and started taking the word literally as written.

Theories tend to destroy the meaning of what God said, and anyone can create a theory.

That's good. I wonder what theory the Pharisee's had when they hung Jesus on the cross? Knowing the word as well as they did.

 

[Kerry]

Per, your preaching to the choir. I meant, it takes a hard headed person to risk eternal hell for being wrong. If I'm wrong, what have I lost? Being a good citizen? helping the widow and orphans? kind as I can be to my neighbor. If I'm right, I will be rewarded. But, if I am wrong so I wasted my time being a good citizen. But, if I am right. Well, you get it.

 

[Tintin]

The gap theory is poor theology, speculative fiction at best. I wouldn't go around spreading that one, Kerry.

 

[Kerry]

Eternal, it sad that I have to say that PER will back me up on this. That star that is 50,000 light years away shines it light on us at night. A light year is how far light travels in a year ( 186,000 miles per second) so if it was created 6,00 years ago we should not be able to see its light yet we do. Have you seen a T-Rex in your neck of the woods?

 

[Kerry]

Since the 6,000 year creation when has there been no man?

Jeremiah 4:24

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

Explain? When since God created man has there been no man?

 

[Kerry]

Maybe Jeremiah had a senior moment? Jesus is a man. He still has the holes in His hands and feet and in His side. When was there no man?

 

[4enlightment]

Maybe Jeremiah had a senior moment? Jesus is a man. He still has the holes in His hands and feet and in His side. When was there no man?

4) Raise the right arm and cut the palm of the hand and clasp
each other's hand and mingle your blood. This is saying to the other
person, "We are becoming one with each other. To intermingle the
blood is to intermingle the very life of both people.
5) Exchange names. Each one takes part of the others name and
incorporates it into their own.
6) Make a scar or some identifying mark. The scar was the
outward evidence of the covenant that others could see and know
that the covenant was made. Some times they would rub the cut in
the hand to make the scar, then anyone who wanted to fight you
would know that he not only had to fight you but another as well.
http://www.systemath.com/uploads/6/9/5/2/6952345/the-blood-covenant.pdf

 

[Kerry]

4) Raise the right arm and cut the palm of the hand and clasp
each other's hand and mingle your blood. This is saying to the other
person, "We are becoming one with each other. To intermingle the
blood is to intermingle the very life of both people.
5) Exchange names. Each one takes part of the others name and
incorporates it into their own.
6) Make a scar or some identifying mark. The scar was the
outward evidence of the covenant that others could see and know
that the covenant was made. Some times they would rub the cut in
the hand to make the scar, then anyone who wanted to fight you
would know that he not only had to fight you but another as well.
http://www.systemath.com/uploads/6/9/5/2/6952345/the-blood-covenant.pdf

Yeah okay. Well that left skid marks on my head? what are you talking about? Didn't click the link. Maybe that's why.

AAANNYYY way. Look at what science digs up today. What their digging up is what was before Adam. The Earth was never destroyed and never will be. Only the life that was on it. If not for Noah ( type of Christ) we would not be here. According to Jeremiah there was no man yet there were cities. Whoa, If you look at the lie of evolution and whats being found and what the bible says. It makes perfect since. The evolutionist are trying to tie the Preadamic to the Adamic. Which is impossible and why they cannot produce a missing link. The Earth is way way older than 6,000 years and so is the universe. I meant God resides in the heavens and he has no beginning nor any end. It fits, it makes since, and explains true science.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's good. I wonder what theory the Pharisee's had when they hung Jesus on the cross? Knowing the word as well as they did.

The theory that they were OK with God because they obeyed the law, (or they thought they did which was another theory they held to)