How Old Is The Earth?

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Tintin

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sc81 said:
a totally made up hypothesis that no one outside young earth creationists would accept.

anyway my arguments about the flood all revolve around the culture evidence and recordings of peoples living in that time period, I don't even need to touch geology.
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Evolutionary theory is a totally made up hypothesis that most outside biblical creationists seem to accept. You say that cultural evidence and recordings of people living in that period point to there not being a global flood? Example: Egyptian chronology is off by about 600 years. Who's to say other dating methods are foolproof? They're not.
 
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paulsfam4

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old enough for God to destroy it. that's all I need...
 
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sc81

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oldhermit said:
Any time physical evidence does not appear to agree with the biblical account on ANY matter, it is not the biblical text that is wrong, it is man's interpretation of the evidence.

If you have not read post #409, Perhaps you should.
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you want to make all other evidence fit the Bible even if it can't and you have to throw out any common sense or reason to do so. China exists today because it existed before the flood based on multiple archaeological evidence and written records and existed through the period of the flood to the present day when it should have been destroyed. I will not delude myself that an entire cultural existence is wrong because of a few words in a book written by another people entirely, but rather examine the book as to why this situation can exist. Global flood is wrong, it is historically impossible and if you teach it to non-christians you will turn them away.
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oldhermit said:
you want to make all other evidence fit the Bible even if it can't and you have to throw out any common sense or reason to do so. China exists today because it existed before the flood based on multiple archaeological evidence and written records and existed through the period of the flood to the present day when it should have been destroyed. I will not delude myself that an entire cultural existence is wrong because of a few words in a book written by another people entirely, but rather examine the book as to why this situation can exist. Global flood is wrong, it is historically impossible and if you teach it to non-christians you will turn them away.
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Scripture and "common sense" or rationalization have absolutely nothing to do with one another. As I said earlier, you do not understand the nature of revelation, nor do you understand what kind of document the Bible is.
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Tintin said:
Evolutionary theory is a totally made up hypothesis that most outside biblical creationists seem to accept. You say that cultural evidence and recordings of people living in that period point to there not being a global flood? Example: Egyptian chronology is off by about 600 years. Who's to say other dating methods are foolproof? They're not.
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well neither is biblical dating foolproof then if you wish to take that stance
 
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sc81

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oldhermit said:
sc81 said:
Scripture and "common sense" or rationalization have absolutely nothing to do with one another. As I said earlier, you do not understand the nature of revelation, not do you understand what kind of document the Bible is.
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the nature of God might be mythical to non-believers but historical dates certainly are not.
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sc81 said:
oldhermit said:
the nature of God might be mythical to non-believers but historical dates certainly are not.
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Since you regard the existence of God as mythical this means you regard scripture as nothing more than a secular document and a collection of fables. You are trying to argue about something you know absolutely nothing about.
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Tintin

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sc81 said:
well neither is biblical dating foolproof then if you wish to take that stance
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Biblical dating is foolproof because it's God's Word, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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sc81 said:
oldhermit said:
you want to make all other evidence fit the Bible even if it can't and you have to throw out any common sense or reason to do so. China exists today because it existed before the flood based on multiple archaeological evidence and written records and existed through the period of the flood to the present day when it should have been destroyed. I will not delude myself that an entire cultural existence is wrong because of a few words in a book written by another people entirely, but rather examine the book as to why this situation can exist. Global flood is wrong, it is historically impossible and if you teach it to non-christians you will turn them away.
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lol. China can date it roots back to Noah. It is even mentioned in the OT. (they were called the land of sinim, who would come from the north (Is 49: 12) Which is proven to be CHina. The name sinim comes from the name sinite, which was one of the offspring of Ham, they were one of the people who came from the cannanites. It is known that many of these people migrated to Asia.

You can not prove it existed before the flood. You can not even prove the continents existed before the flood

All you can do is make a hypothesis based on someones ideas of how things happen, and how they are dated.

You were not there. Your scientists were not there So you CAN NOT know how things happened back then to determine how to tell how long ago they actually were. Your guessing, based on facts NOT KNOWN.

It take more faith to believe in your guess, than it does for us to believe in the word of God. Which tells us what happened.
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eternally-gratefull

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sc81 said:
the nature of God might be mythical to non-believers but historical dates certainly are not.
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you mean historical dates based on assumptions and non provable data.

ok thanks
 
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Tintin

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People migrated to China not long after the dispersal at Babel in Shinar. In China's very earliest days, the people believed in the one True God. It is only later that this was belief corrupted to become a form of pagan monotheism and then much later this opened up beliefs that were Buddhist and Shinto in origin.
 
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sc81

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oldhermit said:
sc81 said:
Since you regard the existence of God as mythical this means you regard scripture as nothing more than a secular document and a collection of fables. You are trying to argue about something you know absolutely nothing about.
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I said nature, not existence, so don't try to somehow make this about me.
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eternally-gratefull

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oldhermit said:
No problem. I just did the same thing and had to edit.
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something is wrong the wite is dong it, not you or I. I did not format anything just responded/ its messed up
 
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sc81

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eternally-gratefull said:

lol. China can date it roots back to Noah. It is even mentioned in the OT. (they were called the land of sinim, who would come from the north (Is 49: 12) Which is proven to be CHina. The name sinim comes from the name sinite, which was one of the offspring of Ham, they were one of the people who came from the cannanites. It is known that many of these people migrated to Asia.

You can not prove it existed before the flood. You can not even prove the continents existed before the flood

All you can do is make a hypothesis based on someones ideas of how things happen, and how they are dated.

You were not there. Your scientists were not there So you CAN NOT know how things happened back then to determine how to tell how long ago they actually were. Your guessing, based on facts NOT KNOWN.

It take more faith to believe in your guess, than it does for us to believe in the word of God. Which tells us what happened.
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http://www.ancient.eu.com/china/

If you think china didn't exist before the flood which was supposedly in 2348 BC then you are honestly misguided extremely as no one in any archaeological field would believe that neither does the evidence support that.

Sure I wasn't in ancient china but it seems short of me making a time machine you will just use your argument of everything is false

Anyway i've said my piece on the matter in this thread for a few hours now, my arguments are based on physical evidence while the defenders of global flood revolve around saying the Bible is right because it's the Bible and just claiming nothing historical can be proven. It's unfortunate but this is why christians get a reputation for being ignorant.
 
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Tintin

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Biblical creationists also rely on physical evidence, we just have a different starting point to atheists, agnostics and theistic evolutionists - the Bible (God's Word). Science isn't our enemy but it is fallible, while God's Word is infallible (hence, why it's our starting point). Your worldview says otherwise, that's why you have different presuppositions and conclusions with the same physical evidence.
 
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