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throughfaith

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Nope, he was regenerated in order please God, else he could not please God Rom 8:8
Rom 8
9¶But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Acts 11
13And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
So are you saying being baptised by the Holy Spirit is not regeneration?
Could you explain verse 14 ? Were these men not saved prior if you claim they were regenerated prior to this. ?
 

FreeGrace2

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You havent proved nothing you can quote scripture, thats it. Any unbeliever cn quote scripture, but cant explain it.
But I did explain it. Did you not understand it?

I'll explain it again. All the verses I quoted show that election is to service.

And the very best one. Jesus Christ is the Chosen One by God the Father.

This is what Jesus said about Himself:

Mark 10:45 - For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Now, please explain how Jesus was chosen for salvation.
 

FreeGrace2

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So if believers can be out of fellowship and not please God, How much more so for an unbeliever whose in the flesh ? Its impossible for them to please God, therefore Faith in Christ is impossible for the unbeliever in the flesh !
You have missed my point completely. Believers who are out of fellowship because of grieving/quenching the Spirit CANNOT please God.

How can that not be? Please explain, if able.
 

oyster67

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Where does the Bible say that?

Rather, believing is from the heart. Rom 10:9

Amen!:)

Romans
10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 

tribesman

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Very good. Yes, I am. Because the Bible makes faith conditional upon salvation..
So you believe that your "chosing" to believe, and so being smarter than the average person who "choses" not to believe, is what makes the difference between salvation and damnation? I believe the person and work of Christ which makes that difference. This is clear from scripture.

Are you aware of Paul's answer to the jailer's question: "sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?"
He answered, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL BE SAVED."
Straight up. Salvation is conditioned upon faith.
This fact refutes the "U" in TULIP.
Not really. See, wIthout faith it is impossible to please God. But, yes, you have to believe. However, notice, nothing in these scriptures imply any "ability" for the old man to "choose to believe". These scriptures says nothing about "make your own free will choice". Only God knows who will believe and God, indeed, chooses who will believe. Jesus said "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (Joh.15:16).
No one "works up" any kind of faith. That is ridiculous. But calvinists have to come up with strange wordings in order to try to deflect from what the Bible says.
Have you ever "taken someone at their word"? Of course you have. Parents come to mind, for me.
Now, did you have to work up your faith in what your parents told you?
Do you see how silly that all sounds?.
Earthly parents are to be loved, respected and hold in honor. However in comparision to earthly parents God not only foresees things, He also predetermine things.

But the principle of childhood is the same, you didn't ask you parents to be naturally born into this world, did you? And they didn't ask you to "make a free will choice" to be born into this world, did they? No. And there is no hocus-pocus difference to the spiritual realm. If you are born again then that was God's choice and God's doing. Not YOUR doing. That's "ridiculous" in your judgment? Is this a "foolishness" that you cannot believe?
Actually, the Bible says that Christ died for everyone. So as long as you mean "everyone" when you said "his people" you are correct.
However, knowing calvinism and the view that Christ didn't die for everyone, could you please at least cite any verse that clearly indicates that He died ONLY for some?
This calvinist talking point is not found in Scripture.
Eph 2:5 - made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved..
Even you hold surely to a form of limited atonement, unless you are a universalist. I am quiet sure that you believe only believers will be saved?
The red words at the beginning refer to regeneration or the new birth. The blue words at the end of the verse makes clear what the red words mean. IOW, being "made alive" and being "saved" are SYNONYMOUS. They go together. You can't have one without the other. I challenge you to find any verse where a saved person was not regenerated or a regenerated person was not saved..
And the point is? Misunderstanding? I am saying all along that regeneration equals salvation.
And while you are at it, please fine any verse that makes clear that regeneration precedes or is required in order to be saved.
Now, Eph 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
First, notice that the blue phrase in v.8 is the EXACT SAME words at the end of v.5.
Second, notice the means of our salvation, which is THROUGH FAITH.
iow, faith MUST BE PRESENT in order to be saved. And since v.5 equates regeneration and salvation, v.8 proves that both salvation and regeneration ARE CONDITIONED on faith.
Clear as can be.
Yes, but you think that the old man can produce saving faith and as a result of that he get regeneated. The Bible says that the old man considers the things of the Spirit as foolishness, something he CAN NOT know them (1Cor.2:12). Faith is a gift of the Spirit (Gal.5:22), something natural man cannot possess.

Jesus said that NO MAN CAN come to Him, unless the Father draws him there (John 6:44). He also said that it is IMPOSSIBLE for man to save himself (Matt.19:26) and that believing in Him was a work of GOD (John 6:29) - not of a work of man or a work partly of man. Paul said in Eph.2:1,5 that the old man is dead in trespasses and sins, not sick, but dead.

All this fancy-sounding talk about prevenient grace or even worse ideas of God first regenerating people and then making them able to choose to "say yes or no" to believing are unscriptural philosophies, set up by men who want to superimpose their own twisted thinking unto what the Bible says.
I just refuted this calvinist talking point.
Yes, and is regenerated when a person believes FIRST.
And they are just as wrong as anyone else who believes what they believe.
Eph 2:5 and 8 prove the opposite. Regeneration and salvation are THROUGH FAITH.
Calvinism has it backward; that faith is through regeneration and salvation. Yet, no Bible verse says this.
Actually Eph.2:5 confirms that sinners are DEAD in their trespasses and sins this UNABLE to contribute anything in the matter. So, it is you who have it backwards, you believe that a dead person is not dead and is able to experience that which only living persons can do.
 

tribesman

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So quoting Scriptures that refute calvinism equals being contentious and pie throwers, huh?

And how is quoting Scripture being dishonest?

Please answer. All you have done is deflect from the truth, rather than explain how the verses shown do NOT teach what I point out.
Don't take that personally. I wasn't aiming at you. We have not discussed much yet for me to draw any conclusions. I had two other users in mind, two lonely sailors, which I have already said goodbye to.
 

brightfame52

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Could you point to one example of someone being regenerated from the bible please? My example would be Cornelius . We literally read the account of it happening to him . Could you give an example other than " well he could not do or believe such and such unless he was regenerated " ( post hoc rationalization) ? My other example would be Paul. You probably believe Paul was already regenerated prior Acts 9 ?
Cornelius is an example. Anyone who pays attention spiritually to the things of God has been regenerated since if they hadnt been its impossible for them to please God Rom 8:8
 

brightfame52

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Rom 8
9¶But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Acts 11
13And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
So are you saying being baptised by the Holy Spirit is not regeneration?
Could you explain verse 14 ? Were these men not saved prior if you claim they were regenerated prior to this. ?
Why are you spamming up Gods Word ?
 

brightfame52

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But I did explain it. Did you not understand it?

I'll explain it again. All the verses I quoted show that election is to service.

And the very best one. Jesus Christ is the Chosen One by God the Father.

This is what Jesus said about Himself:

Mark 10:45 - For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Now, please explain how Jesus was chosen for salvation.
You havent proved anything, nor explained nothing.
 

brightfame52

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You have missed my point completely. Believers who are out of fellowship because of grieving/quenching the Spirit CANNOT please God.

How can that not be? Please explain, if able.
You miss my point obviously. Man by nature is spiritually dead ! That cant be said of a believer !
 

throughfaith

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Cornelius is an example. Anyone who pays attention spiritually to the things of God has been regenerated since if they hadnt been its impossible for them to please God Rom 8:8
Impossible according to this verse .

37¶In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The whole point of the Cornelius account is to show Gentiles are now being regenerated ( receiving the Holy spirit ) The promise of the above verses.
These verses prove no one was being regenerated prior to Acts 2 . You literally have no verses for your position. Just a philosophy that you impose onto the text .
 

throughfaith

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An unbeliever cannot please God because they are in the flesh.
So what. What's new . That's why in order to please him people have to believe what he says and do it ( Old testament) Read hebrews 11 ) Believe the Gospel ( New testament) 1 cor 2.21 .
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it PLEASED God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 

throughfaith

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Why are you spamming up Gods Word ?
I'm not the one claiming people were regenerated prior to Jesus being glorified. Completely going against clear verses .
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The whole point of regeneration is that it was only made possible by his glorification and after he ascends he can Send the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 . To regenerate people , baptising them into the body of Christ . This is why Calvinism is so dangerous.
 

FreeGrace2

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FreeGrace2 said:
Where does the Bible say that?

Rather, believing is from the heart. Rom 10:9
Amen!:)

Romans
10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Thanks. I mis-typed and meant v.10.