How to keep the Sabbath.

[Hizikyah]

You state:

Love and Faith is the intent and purpose of the 10.

But then say it is the "Law Keepers" who want to turn it on its head...

It is Heavenly Father and the Messiah that state those that love them Keep the Commandments.

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

 

[gotime]

Which means that the 10 commandments derive there meaning from the 2 commandments. Love and faith is the intent and purpose of the 10. Law keepers want to turn this on its head by claiming that love is dependent on the 10 commandments.

This is nothing but twisting scripture.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul lists some of the commandments and says that these commandments are briefly comprehended in love thy neighbour. the greek means to sum up.

So love thy neighbour does not replace but sum up. I am assuming you know what that means. but just in case you don't it means that love thy neighbour is the short way to say, do not commit adultery do not kill etc.

Paul says this after saying:

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

so love fulfills the law and He explains after that what law and then says that love for your neighbour is a summery. There is no way you can read this in any other way. Paul is not saying love replaces but summarizes the law.

James does this also.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

notice again love thy neighbour fulfills the law what law?

Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Oh the same law Paul spoke of.

Is love your neighbor a new law?

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

So these two laws were a part of the law. so if these two replace the 10 commandments then why did God have both these and the 10 commandments for the Jewish nation?

Because as Paul said it is a summery not a change or now law.

Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus asked a lawyer and the Lawyer got the answer right from the Old Testament.

There is no way around this.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You state:

Love and Faith is the intent and purpose of the 10.

But then say it is the "Law Keepers" who want to turn it on its head...

It is Heavenly Father and the Messiah that state those that love them Keep the Commandments.

Yes, his commandments: faith and love. Law keepers fixate on the law of Moses to the point that they can't see the law of GOD come in the flesh.

 

[Hizikyah]

This is another example of how the carnal mind simply cannot understand the spiritual things of GOD, even when it's stated so simply that even a child could understand. Paul said 'if there is any other commandment' (which includes the 4th commandment) it is satisfied by love. Speeding laws are satisfied when I don't speed in my car; they can say nothing against me. The law of Moses is satisfied when I love; it can say nothing against me.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23​

Which means that the 10 commandments derive there meaning from the 2 commandments. Love and faith is the intent and purpose of the 10. Law keepers want to turn this on its head by claiming that love is dependent on the 10 commandments.

This is not true, Scripture easily disprove your reprobate doctrine:

Romans 13:9-10, "For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

This doesw not "do away" with Yahweh's Law it summs it up, one can not keep these 2 without keep all of the. Shaul understood this and made it clear in Romans 13.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

well lets see who is carnal according to Scripture?

Romans 8:5-8, "5 For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

I love the Law of the Spirit

Romans 7:14 "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

I know Yahweh has written His Law on my heart:

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Yet you seem to be in stringent opposition to Yahweh's Law. Now I know we have and can debate this as long as we live, yet if you are supposed to have His Law in your heart how can you hate it? I sincerely ask that you take a step back, pray and study Scriptures with your preconceived doctrines, because clearly those who enter the kingdom of Yahweh KEEP HIS LAWS.



Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

again Romans 13 proves that the other Laws are summed up in the 2 not done away if you can not see this you heart has truly chosen its path. Honestly think about it, how could I love my nieghbor if I steal from him? Do you not see that following that Law is following love? And claiming love while transgressing ANY of those Laws is not love?

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23"

yes, in Yahweh's Law all these are permitted, however ALL of these are sin in Yahweh;s Law, works of the flesh are sin! Following Yahweh;s Law is love.

19 For the works of the flesh are obvious, which are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, 20 godworship, sorcery, hatred, contentions, evil jealousies, crage, selfish ambitions, dissensions; disagreements with quarreling, heresies; sects or factions of division,
21 Envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I warn you beforehand, just as I did in times past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh.

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is nothing but twisting scripture.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul lists some of the commandments and says that these commandments are briefly comprehended in love thy neighbour. the greek means to sum up.

So love thy neighbour does not replace but sum up. I am assuming you know what that means. but just in case you don't it means that love thy neighbour is the short way to say, do not commit adultery do not kill etc.

Paul says this after saying:

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

so love fulfills the law and He explains after that what law and then says that love for your neighbour is a summery. There is no way you can read this in any other way. Paul is not saying love replaces but summarizes the law.

James does this also.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

notice again love thy neighbour fulfills the law what law?

Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Oh the same law Paul spoke of.

Is love your neighbor a new law?

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

So these two laws were a part of the law. so if these two replace the 10 commandments then why did God have both these and the 10 commandments for the Jewish nation?

Because as Paul said it is a summery not a change or now law.

Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus asked a lawyer and the Lawyer got the answer right from the Old Testament.

There is no way around this.

Who said anything about the 2 commandments replacing the 10? The two satisfy everything required by the 10. The 10 have no meaning apart from the two. But you law keepers have the tail wagging the dog by saying that the 2 commandments get their meaning from the 10.

GOD is love; he is not 10 commandments. GOD put the 10 commandments in place so that people would love one another (i.e., be GOD-like to one another); that is all they mean and are intended for. They demand right conduct; right conduct is not harming one's neighbor. And per the law of the new covenant that fulfills the demands of the law of the old covenant.

 

[Rockbysea]

It only takes one person posting truth to handle 5 persons posting falsehood. It just goes to show the massive amount of resources that are required to cover up truth. No wonder the evil rulers of this world invest more resources in information warfare that they do in military warfare. The truth, of and by itself, is a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Gjolll]

The truth, of and by itself, is a force to be reckoned with.

Re Sabbaths, the truth is that you're not entitled to judge your neighbor on Sabbath keeping. Col 2:16.

Anyone who judges his neighbor by his Sabbath keeping had better re-read Galatians and be prepared to face the consequences.

 

[Bookends]

Matthew 12



Luke 23



The Messiah Taught us how to observe Sabbath...

When He taught us the Greatest Commandment

Yes, but it's all about resting, not worship. Try to figure out what you are resting from, then you will truly be set free.

 

[Hizikyah]

It only takes one person posting truth to handle 5 persons posting falsehood. It just goes to show the massive amount of resources that are required to cover up truth. No wonder the evil rulers of this world invest more resources in information warfare that they do in military warfare. The truth, of and by itself, is a force to be reckoned with.

This is true

Exodus 20:6, "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However the the world has, as a whole been tricked by the lies of satan

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world..."

I would think it very possible that out of those who say they follow the Messiah less than 1 in 5 actually follow Him in truth.

Can any of the people who dont believe in 7th day Sabbath tell me what this verse means?

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

 

[Rockbysea]

Re Sabbaths, the truth is that you're not entitled to judge your neighbor on Sabbath keeping. Col 2:16.

Anyone who judges his neighbor by his Sabbath keeping had better re-read Galatians and be prepared to face the consequences.

What’s really interesting is that every place in the New Testament that mentions the word “Sabbath”, the Babylonian Sabbath keepers use that as evidence that the Sabbath must be observed when in actuality those scriptures mean the opposite.

Just like a Babylonian Sabbath keeper tried to say that the commandment of Christ that went out of Jerusalem (the decree) was to enforce the law of Moses on the gentiles with the added caveat of abstaining from “sexual immortality”. As if the Law of Moses didn’t already deal with sexual immorality. This Sabbath teaching fraud does not require the Holy spirit to figure out… just a little common sense.

 

[timberdoodle]

Many try to make the Sabbath a burden on those who obey the Lord. In so doing they do just as the Jewish people did in making the law a burden by adding traditions/interpretations of the law that were from man and not God.

So lets look at what it means to keep the Sabbath.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

The very first part is "Remember" the Sabbath day. why? to keep it Holy. what does keeping it Holy mean?

The word Holy means to sanctify or set apart for Holy use, apart from what? the other 6 days. So God asks us to remember the Sabbath to keep it set apart from other days. why?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Because He is God and he made/worked the heavens and earth in six days on on the seventh he set it apart for holy use. Last time I checked God still is the creator so if the reason is still valid and the commandment is based on the reason then seems logical still stands.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

We are to do our work in the other six days, what work?

The Sabbath is a day of rest to the body from the labour and toil, and rest to the soulf from all worldly care and anxieties. God set it apart to be devoted not to secular but to sacred work. This is a wise provision from God for the benefit of man.

This benefit was for all in the household.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

notice that all are included even the animals which would have been used in their labours to move objects yield crops etc. but also the stranger in thy gate. It is important to understand that many had bond servants who lived on their properties and worked for them. but God says that they should also be given rest from their labours. In other words God gave this rest as a blessing and the stranger was also protected by God in this blessing so that the master could not force their bond servant to work while they rested.

Exo 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

The whole point was to refresh the body and also to remember who created man, to remember God.

When people sprout on about using internet etc on the Sabbath they miss the whole point, it was about making/forcing others to work while you rest. God says everyone has the need and right to rest and refresh. The Sabbath is not a burden but a blessing if we only keep what God says and not add traditions to it.

The last point is that the Sabbath is the 7th day. why because that is the day God rested and He asks us to remember that.

The specific day must matter to God, because He specifies which day and points it back to his example. plus the reason for it was to Keep it Holy. in other words keep it set apart. because God already set it apart on the seventh day of creation.

blessings.

Your post seems to be more focused on the benefits of keeping the sabbath.

I get the same blessings keeping the Lords day.

 

[Brother_Don]

the way i keep the sabbath is one sabbath at a time. i think i'd rather do something the Father commanded me to do knowing blessing comes with obeying. it would be ignorant of me knowing the blessings that come with keeping one day a week set aside (7th day), for me to ignore this would be goofy. i'm not a SDA. my belief is Christ Jesus all the way, and from what i see in the word Christ Jesus honored the 7th day.

 

[Hizikyah]

Your post seems to be more focused on the benefits of keeping the sabbath.

I get the same blessings keeping the Lords day.

where are we Commanded to keep the "Lord's day" and exactly do you think this is?

KJV says Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so wouldn't the "Lords day" still be the 7th day?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Re Sabbaths, the truth is that you're not entitled to judge your neighbor on Sabbath keeping. Col 2:16.

Anyone who judges his neighbor by his Sabbath keeping had better re-read Galatians and be prepared to face the consequences.

This is a false characterization. We do not care what day you choose to do whatever. However, we do stand against anyone who tries to bring the children of GOD under bondage to the law of Moses. Spiritual abusers IMO.

 

[Brother_Don]

Father forgive those that mock and ridicule the day you have sanctified and made holy, they have been so brain washed they are afraid to obey, thinking if they obey, they are disobeying. Father you warned us of this, calling good bad, and bad good. Only you can open there eyes Father, in your Son Christ Jesus name i ask, Thank You.

 

[Hizikyah]

What’s really interesting is that every place in the New Testament that mentions the word “Sabbath”, the Babylonian Sabbath keepers use that as evidence that the Sabbath must be observed when in actuality those scriptures mean the opposite.

Just like a Babylonian Sabbath keeper tried to say that the commandment of Christ that went out of Jerusalem (the decree) was to enforce the law of Moses on the gentiles with the added caveat of abstaining from “sexual immortality”. As if the Law of Moses didn’t already deal with sexual immorality. This Sabbath teaching fraud does not require the Holy spirit to figure out… just a little common sense.

so basically you are calling the Commands that come from the mouth of Yahweh or those that teach and follow them are Babylon, you are on dangerous ground here

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Instructions which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Mattithyah 12:31, "Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy against men will be forgiven; pardoned. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven to men!"

Sincerely be careful here.

 

[Bookends]

the way i keep the sabbath is one sabbath at a time. i think i'd rather do something the Father commanded me to do knowing blessing comes with obeying. it would be ignorant of me knowing the blessings that come with keeping one day a week set aside (7th day), for me to ignore this would be goofy. i'm not a SDA. my belief is Christ Jesus all the way, and from what i see in the word Christ Jesus honored the 7th day.

Where does it say in our bible that Jesus honored one day above another?

 

[Gjolll]

This is a false characterization. We do not care what day you choose to do whatever. However, we do stand against anyone who tries to bring the children of GOD under bondage to the law of Moses. Spiritual abusers IMO.

So how exactly is quoting the apostle Paul a false characterization?

Or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

 

[Rockbysea]

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

I’m not like you Sabbath breakers…. I can’t keep repeating myself. …And I say “Sabbath breakers” because Christ will judge you Sabbath keepers on how well you keep the Sabbath… and you all have been severely breaking it.

You either refuse to understand because of brainwashing resulting from repetitive indoctrination or you refuse because you’re paid to twist truth, which is also the result of brainwashing based upon repetitive indoctrination that says ”the end justifies the means.” But I made it very clear in previous posts the difference between God’s Law and a contract.

 

[Brother_Don]

Jesus did what His Father commanded, Jesus wasn't a rebellious child period.