How to keep the Sabbath.

[RedTent]

Because it is works and work of the flesh. But if your faith is in the cross, then it is a work of the Spirit and not your own. Not by might, nor by power, but, by My Spirit saith the Lord.

Often when the bible speaks of works, it means the idea that works are as powerful as God, that works can save. This idea must stand together with God's decree that we must obey. Man has said that all obedience is works, and so man has distorted God's truth.

In God's spiritual language the word flesh is used to describe man as he lives without any of the spiritual of God. So in God language flesh is part of darkness. It is also true that man is made in God's image, and how we live in the world must reflect the spiritual nature of our world. We are to die to the flesh and live in the Lord. We are still in our fleshly bodies.

All these silly excuses are like little children saying "But Daddy, I don't have to do that because I remember you said----"
The bottom line is that Daddy said that for one day in the week, you are to give up all your doing to make all your life, and give over everything to God doing. Your food, your marriage, your shelter, everything. You are to do your best to take care of all of that for six days, best you can. But this day, let God have control.

 

[loveme1]

Okay, you tell me. The Spirit has never lied to me. The word says that satan is the father of lies. So what do you think.

You said Keeping the Sabbath was works of the flesh, but the Bible tells us this:

Romans 8

1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The flesh is not subjected to the law of God and this is why the Messiah told us this:

John 3

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

So when we are Baptized with the Spirit, that comes through Faith in the Messiah Yahshua, we are set free to serve Heavenly Father in Spirit and Truth.

You can not say Keeping the Sabbath day is work of the flesh and lying is the work of the flesh because in the same Commandments we are told not to lie or steal, we are told to Keep the Sabbath day.

By that theory one could say lying was okay, because not lying would also be a work of the flesh.

It can not be so.

 

[Kerry]

Often when the bible speaks of works, it means the idea that works are as powerful as God, that works can save. This idea must stand together with God's decree that we must obey. Man has said that all obedience is works, and so man has distorted God's truth.

In God's spiritual language the word flesh is used to describe man as he lives without any of the spiritual of God. So in God language flesh is part of darkness. It is also true that man is made in God's image, and how we live in the world must reflect the spiritual nature of our world. We are to die to the flesh and live in the Lord. We are still in our fleshly bodies.

All these silly excuses are like little children saying "But Daddy, I don't have to do that because I remember you said----"
The bottom line is that Daddy said that for one day in the week, you are to give up all your doing to make all your life, and give over everything to God doing. Your food, your marriage, your shelter, everything. You are to do your best to take care of all of that for six days, best you can. But this day, let God have control.

Why did Abraham have to send Ishmael away even though he loved him very much? I know can see this from a spiritual side.

 

[Crazylove]

Just because someone believes in GOD's Sabbath doesn't mean they're a 7th Day Adventist or Jewish. It means they're obey God's Word as is as a Christian. This is such an awesome day God made for us to simply rest. It is a Commandment too u know

 

[gotime]

Ok one place in the bible, Just one that says clearly that the 7th day Sabbath is done away with.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

"Faith without works is dead faith"
I read quite a few of your replies and if someone thinks differently from you.
You go on the assault . Not very Christ like "Christian"
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These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 15:8-9

I go 'on the assault' when it's a doctrine that is contrary to something taught by Christ and his apostles.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Wasn't it a commandment to remember the sabbath and keep it holy?

Yes, it WAS.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Just because someone believes in GOD's Sabbath doesn't mean they're a 7th Day Adventist or Jewish. It means they're obey God's Word as is as a Christian. This is such an awesome day God made for us to simply rest. It is a Commandment too u know

In terms of Christian doctrine, SDA or Hebrew roots will cover most of the sabbath keepers. In terms of law keeping that is a distinction without a difference because they both believe they are still under the law of Moses.

 

[Gjolll]

Just because someone believes in GOD's Sabbath doesn't mean they're a 7th Day Adventist or Jewish. It means they're obey God's Word as is as a Christian. This is such an awesome day God made for us to simply rest. It is a Commandment too u know

So what are you going to do with people that don't keep it? Judge them?

It's a repulsive doctrine. Here's why. When I was at university I fell in with a group just like you. When I should have been revising for my exams on Sundays, when everyone else was, I wasn't. I got lower marks. It's just legalistic, and a substitution of justification by law for justification by faith.

I hope you observe the rest of the law then. How about refraining from pork?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You said Keeping the Sabbath was works of the flesh, but the Bible tells us this:

Romans 8
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The flesh is not subjected to the law of God and this is why the Messiah told us this:
John 3

So when we are Baptized with the Spirit, that comes through Faith in the Messiah Yahshua, we are set free to serve Heavenly Father in Spirit and Truth.

You can not say Keeping the Sabbath day is work of the flesh and lying is the work of the flesh because in the same Commandments we are told not to lie or steal, we are told to Keep the Sabbath day.

By that theory one could say lying was okay, because not lying would also be a work of the flesh.

It can not be so.

This is an example of how the carnal mind simply cannot understand the spiritual things of GOD.

 

[Hizikyah]

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Because He is God and he made/worked the heavens and earth in six days on on the seventh he set it apart for holy use. Last time I checked God still is the creator so if the reason is still valid and the commandment is based on the reason then seems logical still stands.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

The whole point was to refresh the body and also to remember who created man, to remember God.

also:

Isayah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of Yahweh honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father--for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it."

This day is not for our own work but for ant and all things Yahweh, but for zero self gain!

Yahshua knew this well:

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

I also want to add to those who dont think the 4th Commandment should be honored; it is a appointed meeting time appointed by Yahweh! Throughout the week we are busy and can not spend ever minute with Him this is fact, however we can have a guaranteed minimum of 24 hours to spend with Him and only Him by His command! praise Yahweh!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ok one place in the bible, Just one that says clearly that the 7th day Sabbath is done away with.

Is there one place in the NT that clearly states that any of the 10 commandments are binding law? No, not one. In fact, when Jesus declared what the two greatest commandments are, he didn't even mention those commandments. Those two are now the law that we under the new covenant live under.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Law keepers are terrified of faith. They honestly don't know what the faith of Christ is.

 

[Hizikyah]

Is there one place in the NT that clearly states that any of the 10 commandments are binding law? No, not one. In fact, when Jesus declared what the two greatest commandments are, he didn't even mention those commandments. Those two are now the law that we under the new covenant live under.

This is not true, Scripture easily disprove your reprobate doctrine:

Romans 13:9-10, "For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

This doesw not "do away" with Yahweh's Law it summs it up, one can not keep these 2 without keep all of the. Shaul understood this and made it clear in Romans 13.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

 

[loveme1]

This is an example of how the carnal mind simply cannot understand the spiritual things of GOD.

The point is we can not assume that the Sabbath Commandment is not spiritual, if all the other Commandments are kept through Love, then why not the 4th?

I will adhere to the Words of the Messiah and Heavenly Father.

 

[loveme1]

Is there one place in the NT that clearly states that any of the 10 commandments are binding law? No, not one. In fact, when Jesus declared what the two greatest commandments are, he didn't even mention those commandments. Those two are now the law that we under the new covenant live under.

You forget a part:

Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is not true, Scripture easily disprove your reprobate doctrine:

Romans 13:9-10, "For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

This doesw not "do away" with Yahweh's Law it summs it up, one can not keep these 2 without keep all of the. Shaul understood this and made it clear in Romans 13.

This is another example of how the carnal mind simply cannot understand the spiritual things of GOD, even when it's stated so simply that even a child could understand. Paul said 'if there is any other commandment' (which includes the 4th commandment) it is satisfied by love. Speeding laws are satisfied when I don't speed in my car; they can say nothing against me. The law of Moses is satisfied when I love; it can say nothing against me.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You forget a part:

Matthew 22

Which means that the 10 commandments derive there meaning from the 2 commandments. Love and faith is the intent and purpose of the 10. Law keepers want to turn this on its head by claiming that love is dependent on the 10 commandments.

 

[Hizikyah]

This is another example of how the carnal mind simply cannot understand the spiritual things of GOD, even when it's stated so simply that even a child could understand. Paul said 'if there is any other commandment' (which includes the 4th commandment) it is satisfied by love. Speeding laws are satisfied when I don't speed in my car; they can say nothing against me. The law of Moses is satisfied when I love; it can say nothing against me.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
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well lets see who is carnal according to Scripture?

Romans 8:5-8, "5 For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

I love the Law of the Spirit

Romans 7:14 "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

I know Yahweh has written His Law on my heart:

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Yet you seem to be in stringent opposition to Yahweh's Law. Now I know we have and can debate this as long as we live, yet if you are supposed to have His Law in your heart how can you hate it? I sincerely ask that you take a step back, pray and study Scriptures with your preconceived doctrines, because clearly those who enter the kingdom of Yahweh KEEP HIS LAWS.



Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

again Romans 13 proves that the other Laws are summed up in the 2 not done away if you can not see this you heart has truly chosen its path. Honestly think about it, how could I love my nieghbor if I steal from him? Do you not see that following that Law is following love? And claiming love while transgressing ANY of those Laws is not love?

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23"

yes, in Yahweh's Law all these are permitted, however ALL of these are sin in Yahweh;s Law, works of the flesh are sin! Following Yahweh;s Law is love.

19 For the works of the flesh are obvious, which are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, 20 godworship, sorcery, hatred, contentions, evil jealousies, crage, selfish ambitions, dissensions; disagreements with quarreling, heresies; sects or factions of division,
21 Envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I warn you beforehand, just as I did in times past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh.

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

 

[loveme1]

Which means that the 10 commandments derive there meaning from the 2 commandments. Love and faith is the intent and purpose of the 10. Law keepers want to turn this on its head by claiming that love is dependent on the 10 commandments.

You state:

Love and Faith is the intent and purpose of the 10.

But then say it is the "Law Keepers" who want to turn it on its head...

It is Heavenly Father and the Messiah that state those that love them Keep the Commandments.