How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?

[rogerg]

God loves all people.. He suffered death for sinners.. And desires all to repent and be Redeemed.. If God hated people He would not desire this..

(2 Peter 3:9) "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

The "us-ward" are the elect, not everyone - we are informed by 2 Pe 1:1-3, that they of 2 Pe 3:9, are the elect;
that is, God is not willing any of His elect should perish. Notice in 2 Pe 1:1 their faith was obtained not of themselves but "through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ", and in 2 Pet 1:3, that they were of the "called" through His divine power and knowledge.

[2Pe 1:1-3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[2Pe 3:1 KJV]
1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

[2Pe 3:9 KJV]
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[JohnDB]

You know there's a difference between what I've been saying and what the original poster was saying I never said that people weren't saved I said we need to rededicate ourselves to him and get serious he decided that he was the elect as family wasn't I'm trying to get everyone to come together because there isn't much time he was putting all the focus on his so-called election so I I know you and others have been gossiping about me behind the scenes but God reveals All things and in time when he activates his plan look back on everything I posted then it will all make sense

OK look,
You are such a "nothing" to us that we don't talk about you. Which I understand is completely opposite of your world view of things.

However, I did find the hypocrisy of your post over the top there that it just caught my attention especially considering the things you had JUST SAID. And so you continue to himmm and hawwww....and generally backpeddle with all kinds of nonsense....are you justifying yourself to yourself or others? 'Cause the "others" ain't working for you.

 

[Blain]

OK look,
You are such a "nothing" to us that we don't talk about you. Which I understand is completely opposite of your world view of things.

However, I did find the hypocrisy of your post over the top there that it just caught my attention especially considering the things you had JUST SAID. And so you continue to himmm and hawwww....and generally backpeddle with all kinds of nonsense....are you justifying yourself to yourself or others? 'Cause the "others" ain't working for you.

If I was a hypocrite then so be it that post was made when I was not as well off with God as I am now and if I'm such a nothing then why are you so persistent with me your agitation says everything and honestly I'm sorry I am at peace I am on a glorious fun journey with God and I am sorry that you are so hurt but it doesn't matter because it's not about me or you and if I am lacking in anything he isn't if I screw up so be it it's part of the process and sadly I cannot convince you otherwise so I will just leave you be and keep going the way he sends me you can take that as you will

 

[ResidentAlien]

You know there's a difference between what I've been saying and what the original poster was saying I never said that people weren't saved I said we need to rededicate ourselves to him and get serious he decided that he was the elect as family wasn't I'm trying to get everyone to come together because there isn't much time he was putting all the focus on his so-called election so I I know you and others have been gossiping about me behind the scenes but God reveals All things and in time when he activates his plan look back on everything I posted then it will all make sense

If I remember correctly, when you say He's about to activate His plan, you're talking about bringing in the kingdom through praise and worship. Every single Christian on the planet has lost their way and a new generation of "spiritual giants" must arise and lead the way and destroy all opposition. My question is: Are you talking about the same kingdom which false prophets have been saying was just around the corner for decades now? Seems to me this all started for you around the time the Asbury revival broke out.

 

[Blain]

OK look,
You are such a "nothing" to us that we don't talk about you. Which I understand is completely opposite of your world view of things.

However, I did find the hypocrisy of your post over the top there that it just caught my attention especially considering the things you had JUST SAID. And so you continue to himmm and hawwww....and generally backpeddle with all kinds of nonsense....are you justifying yourself to yourself or others? 'Cause the "others" ain't working for you.

If I remember correctly, when you say He's about to activate His plan, you're talking about bringing in the kingdom through praise and worship. Every single Christian on the planet has lost their way and a new generation of "spiritual giants" must arise and lead the way and destroy all opposition. My question is: Are you talking about the same kingdom which false prophets have been saying was just around the corner for decades now? Seems to me this all started for you around the time the Asbury revival broke out.

His plan is more than just this new generation it is not a single event kind of thing not that you care to listen I already know how this goes.

Just sit back and watch what my God can do

 

[ResidentAlien]

His plan is more than just this new generation it is not a single event kind of thing not that you care to listen I already know how this goes.

Just sit back and watch what my God can do

Why should I believe you when so-called prophets have been saying a great revival is just around the corner for so long? You only have them to thank for people being skeptical. Try seeing it from my perspective. You're just another in a long line of fakes and phonies; at least that's how I see it. But I will wait and see; I'll wait and not see it, as usual.

 

[Shepherd]

God tells us that for us to "Be like our Father" we must "love our enemies". Once again: If God hates the lost then He would be no better than He commands us to be. He would be a contradiction. Better give your heart to the God of the Bible. The Bible says "God is Love". Therefore, He loves the lost; ALL of the lost.

 

[rogerg]

God tells us that for us to "Be like our Father" we must "love our enemies". Once again: If God hates the lost then He would be no better than He commands us to be. He would be a contradiction. Better give your heart to the God of the Bible. The Bible says "God is Love". Therefore, He loves the lost; ALL of the lost.

No, He doesn't. In the spiritual sense, He only loves those justified by Christ.

[Rom 9:11 KJV] 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth..

[Rom 9:13-16 KJV]
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

[Magenta]

No, He doesn't. In the spiritual sense, He only loves those justified by Christ.

[Rom 9:11 KJV] 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth..

[Rom 9:13-16 KJV]
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Israel/Jacob was the elect and Edom/Esau Israel's (and God's) enemy (two nations in Rebekah's womb).

Though this is not love and hate in the way people might normally assume.

 

[rogerg]

Israel/Jacob was the elect and Edom/Esau Israel's (and God's) enemy (two nations in Rebekah's womb).

Though this is not love and hate in the way people might normally assume.

It is love and hate in the spiritual sense. There were/are two nations but spiritual nations: 1) the elect (or the saved) and, 2) the non-elect ( or the unsaved). Jacob, was both a person and also a representation of the elect. Likewise, Esau was both a person and also a representation of the non-elect. Both of these are confirmed in Rom 9:21 by the "not being born nor having done any good or evil". So, God hated Esau because he was not justified by Christ, and not justified by Christ because he was not of God's elect, therefore, being guilty of sin, God did not love him, whereas Jacob was justified by Christ, and justified because he was of God's elect, therefore, because he was not guilty of sin through Christ, God loved Jacob. It all came/comes down to Christ.

 

[JohnRH]

I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy

And whom will He have mercy on?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32 (KJV)

 

[Adstar]

The "us-ward" are the elect, not everyone - we are informed by 2 Pe 1:1-3, that they of 2 Pe 3:9, are the elect;
that is, God is not willing any of His elect should perish. Notice in 2 Pe 1:1 their faith was obtained not of themselves but "through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ", and in 2 Pet 1:3, that they were of the "called" through His divine power and knowledge.

[2Pe 1:1-3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[2Pe 3:1 KJV]
1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

[2Pe 3:9 KJV]
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I disagree.. If the verse was only talking about the elect it would not say ""ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE"" The elect have already come to repentance.. The elect are already saved.. So the verse would not be talking about God not wanting the elect to perish or the elect to come to repentance.. Because the elect have already done that.

 

[selahsays]

Jesus died for the non-elect; sure, of course He did. The elect have already been chosen, right?

John 3:16 says, “whoever”:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

- John 3:16-17

 

[justpassinthrough]

I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10

• I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation

God also desires for the elect to obtain salvation… there is hope for the elect!


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16





JLB

 

[rogerg]

I disagree.. If the verse was only talking about the elect it would not say ""ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE"" The elect have already come to repentance.. The elect are already saved.. So the verse would not be talking about God not wanting the elect to perish or the elect to come to repentance.. Because the elect have already done that.

The "all" is defined as the all that the Father gave to Jesus - the elect. Observe Jhn 6:37.

[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The elect are elected to salvation, but the actualization of that salvation occurs throughout their lifetimes,
at a time of God's choosing, when He places them under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
God is not willing that any of them should perish until that occurs to each and everyone of them.
The "repentance" spoken of, is repentance given by God to His elect wherein they cease trust in their works for
salvation unto complete trust in Christ as Saviour.
Did you read the salutation of 2 Peter that I posted? Who the "us-ward" are is indisputable and clearly
explained there.

 

[rogerg]

Jesus died for the non-elect; sure, of course He did. The elect have already been chosen, right?

John 3:16 says, “whoever”:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

- John 3:16-17

Yes, but the "whoever" does not mean "anyone". First, true belief only comes only as a gift through the fruit of the Holy Spirit given to those born-again from salvation. Those are the elect.
Second, and as with the "all" above, we must look further in the Bible to see who those are because it does tell us. So, both the "whosoever" and the "all" must, and can, only consist of and represent those specifically given by the Father to the Son, of which, all must be raised on the last day, and no others.

Please observe:

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[Jhn 6:37, 39-40 KJV]
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. ...
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[JohnRH]

... true belief only comes only as a gift through the fruit of the Holy Spirit given to those born-again from salvation.

That's false. Belief is belief, faith is faith. Everyone has faith; it's part of our make-up.
One guy put his faith in a chair that ended up collapsing under his weight. Another guy put his faith in Jesus as his Savior for eternity. They were the exact same faith. Only the objects of their faith were different; one object was faith-worthy and the other wasn't.

 

[rogerg]

That's false. Belief is belief, faith is faith. Everyone has faith; it's part of our make-up.
One guy put his faith in a chair that ended up collapsing under his weight. Another guy put his faith in Jesus as his Savior for eternity. They were the exact same faith. Only the objects of their faith were different; one object was faith-worthy and the other wasn't.

Huh? The faith I'm speaking of is faith in Christ as Saviour. Did you read the verse I posted? Doesn't it say that
faith comes as a fruit of the Spirit? What do you think that means? Perhaps you're using your definition of faith, or your
definition of how one gets faith, but not the biblical definitions; but the biblical definition of how it is obtained is clear.
One's faith is not what saves them, otherwise, salvation would be of our work and not of Christ's. True faith is a
byproduct OF salvation; it is not TO salvation. Salvation comes from Christ's faith, not our faith. from Christ's faith our faith comes.
Please observe that it is by the faith OF Christ:

[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Gal 2:20-21 KJV] 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[rogerg]

That's false. Belief is belief, faith is faith. Everyone has faith; it's part of our make-up.
One guy put his faith in a chair that ended up collapsing under his weight. Another guy put his faith in Jesus as his Savior for eternity. They were the exact same faith. Only the objects of their faith were different; one object was faith-worthy and the other wasn't.

Perhaps further explanation is in order.
As this verse informs us, it is not possible for an unsaved man of himself to believe or have true faith in Christ because it is God
alone who gives true faith. The following verse tells us two things: to obtain true faith is a work and, 2) that having it was of God's work not of man's.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[rogerg]

And whom will He have mercy on?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32 (KJV)

Again, the all is not everyone, but is all that the Father gave to Christ, otherwise, were it up to man to achieve it, then it is not of God's
mercy or grace but of man's works. If it is of God's mercy and grace, then man cannot contribute to nor have a part in acquiring it.
Both cannot be true- it must fully either be of one or the other, not both.