How to Recognize a Mixed-Grace Gospel
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Romans 6:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience Romans 6:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience ( Lit to righteousness ) resulting in righteousness?
resulting in righteousness? Not in original Greek..it literally says.." to righteousness "....the "resulting " word is not in the text..it was added by the translators.in other words we are salves to the righteousness which is now in us. We never do things to become righteous...
.that's called works-righteousness..that's a no-no in the New Covenant....we are righteous in Christ and we have the fruit of His righteousness being shown outwardly in our lives.
We have fruit of righteousness...but it only comes through Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 1:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.
2 John 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Acts 3:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
repent = change your mind and stop living independently from God and turn to rely on God's salvation provided in Christ.
repent in Greek = [FONT="Gentium" !important]metanoeō[/FONT] = hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose,"
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience Romans 6:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience ( Lit to righteousness ) resulting in righteousness?
resulting in righteousness? Not in original Greek..it literally says.." to righteousness "....the "resulting " word is not in the text..it was added by the translators.in other words we are salves to the righteousness which is now in us. We never do things to become righteous...
.that's called works-righteousness..that's a no-no in the New Covenant....we are righteous in Christ and we have the fruit of His righteousness being shown outwardly in our lives.
We have fruit of righteousness...but it only comes through Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 1:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.
2 John 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Acts 3:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
repent = change your mind and stop living independently from God and turn to rely on God's salvation provided in Christ.
repent in Greek = [FONT="Gentium" !important]metanoeō[/FONT] = hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose,"
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
1 Kings 19:11-12
The Lord is all these things. In holiness and righteousness, He is absolute, pure, unapproachable, a sight that would burn us up and turn us to ash.
His shroud is the law which demarcates the boundary of where sin and death reign and holiness ends. And Jesus stands within this shroud as a gentle whisper.
Without the shroud we would run and be destroyed, bring evil down upon ourselves without a seconds notice because we take ourselves once accepted as washed, clean, and perfect.
If we are willing to dwell in the Holy place, abide with our Lord in the confinds of His holiness, we will become citizens of the Kingdom and grow in stature.
Will you stay and abide or flip here and there and only dabble?
1 Kings 19:11-12
The Lord is all these things. In holiness and righteousness, He is absolute, pure, unapproachable, a sight that would burn us up and turn us to ash.
His shroud is the law which demarcates the boundary of where sin and death reign and holiness ends. And Jesus stands within this shroud as a gentle whisper.
Without the shroud we would run and be destroyed, bring evil down upon ourselves without a seconds notice because we take ourselves once accepted as washed, clean, and perfect.
If we are willing to dwell in the Holy place, abide with our Lord in the confinds of His holiness, we will become citizens of the Kingdom and grow in stature.
Will you stay and abide or flip here and there and only dabble?
There is an important step everyone has to make in life knowing their boundaries. It is part of understanding identity and separateness. It is the basis of free will and free choice. We are made in the image of God, and by providing the tree of knowledge of good and evil He has provided this power to decide.
Now you believe we are not separate from God, but have a mystical union in some way. Is this a Buddhist idea, or some other concept? Maybe this is to justify Pauls language? Whatever your view, can you describe what you actually mean?
Now you believe we are not separate from God, but have a mystical union in some way. Is this a Buddhist idea, or some other concept? Maybe this is to justify Pauls language? Whatever your view, can you describe what you actually mean?
You are a double minded man who only sees part of the meaning of a verse you quote. You then chop the verse up where it does not say what you want it to say.
Paul is saying we obey either sin leading to death or obedience to the commands which leads to righteousness.
Now quoting that verse that contradicts your very thesis is double minded. It is also brainwashed as you are not even reading what Paul is writing merely seeing as a tool words that appear to support you premise.
You are also relying that people believe your summary and never question you quotes. Do you think you will be taken seriously by anyone doing this?
Paul is saying we obey either sin leading to death or obedience to the commands which leads to righteousness.
Now quoting that verse that contradicts your very thesis is double minded. It is also brainwashed as you are not even reading what Paul is writing merely seeing as a tool words that appear to support you premise.
You are also relying that people believe your summary and never question you quotes. Do you think you will be taken seriously by anyone doing this?
Are we made of the same essence of God on being born again? No.
We do not become God. God dwells within us as an encouragement, teacher, fellowship, inspirer etc.
Are you a believer in the "gods" theology?
This suggests that we then have command authority to speak things into being. Some on CC have believed this, but my answer is command yourself to walk on water. It is a 100% cast iron proof of this kind of creative authority.
We do not become God. God dwells within us as an encouragement, teacher, fellowship, inspirer etc.
Are you a believer in the "gods" theology?
This suggests that we then have command authority to speak things into being. Some on CC have believed this, but my answer is command yourself to walk on water. It is a 100% cast iron proof of this kind of creative authority.
okie dokie.....that wasn't me that had " Lit. to righteousness..it is in the original Greek itself "...but anyway show me the Greek word for "resulting' in that passage?
ὑπακοῆς
of obedience
eis
εἰς
to
dikaiosynēn
δικαιοσύνην ?
righteousness
Lit..of obedience to righteousness
I can fully appreciate the need for it not to be true because then it would mean we work for our righteousness...which again is a no-no in the New Covenant.
ὑπακοῆς
of obedience
eis
εἰς
to
dikaiosynēn
δικαιοσύνην ?
righteousness
Lit..of obedience to righteousness
I can fully appreciate the need for it not to be true because then it would mean we work for our righteousness...which again is a no-no in the New Covenant.
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Paul is teaching slavery is a result of what you do. Sin you become a slave to sin, righteousness you become a slave to righteousness.
so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
Romans 6:19
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Eph 6:5
The boundary of behaviour is righteousness, not sin. We are called to live righteous lives, driven from our hearts purified by Christ and the shedding of His blood.
To not live righteous lives is to sin and fall from grace.
so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
Romans 6:19
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
Eph 6:5
The boundary of behaviour is righteousness, not sin. We are called to live righteous lives, driven from our hearts purified by Christ and the shedding of His blood.
To not live righteous lives is to sin and fall from grace.
E
1 cor 1:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; [SUP]23 [/SUP]but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[SUP][b][/SUP] foolishness, [SUP]24 [/SUP]but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; [SUP]28 [/SUP]and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, [SUP]29 [/SUP]that no flesh should glory in His presence. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— [SUP]31 [/SUP]that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
What else should we say? You preach salvation can be lost. because as you just admitted, the cross is not the most important thing, how we act is. Even though as I just proved, Paul though otherwise.
Yep. Those are facts. Your trying to earn salvation, or you would believe in eternal security.
you cant have it both ways
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; [SUP]23 [/SUP]but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[SUP][b][/SUP] foolishness, [SUP]24 [/SUP]but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; [SUP]28 [/SUP]and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, [SUP]29 [/SUP]that no flesh should glory in His presence. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— [SUP]31 [/SUP]that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
What else should we say? You preach salvation can be lost. because as you just admitted, the cross is not the most important thing, how we act is. Even though as I just proved, Paul though otherwise.
Yep. Those are facts. Your trying to earn salvation, or you would believe in eternal security.
you cant have it both ways
Originally Posted by PeterJens
This is the point you have missed. EG & grace7x77 both believe in the hyper-grace polarisation between carnal legalism and grace alone thought. They hold the cross alone is the focus rather than a reflection of a deeper reality in the nature of God and our condition.
I got to laugh. The trouble with polarisation, is you decide by your rules what is on which side of the fence.
If you are a slave to righteousness in you, doing good works, walking in fellowship with God then Amen.
The only reason why people are shocked, concerned is slaves to righteousness is not on your list of hyper-grace / grace comparison, as no rules chaos is the teaching. If you want to walk appropriately with Jesus, walking in love and fellowship with the Holy Spirit then so do I.
If you are a slave to righteousness in you, doing good works, walking in fellowship with God then Amen.
The only reason why people are shocked, concerned is slaves to righteousness is not on your list of hyper-grace / grace comparison, as no rules chaos is the teaching. If you want to walk appropriately with Jesus, walking in love and fellowship with the Holy Spirit then so do I.
E
I got to laugh.
The very thing you just said is the very thing your doing,
You reject Gods law. And make your own law. Which you then have to be obedient to to gain salvation (or as you say, it lose it)
if you want to walk properly in the way of Jesus and earn your salvation , Then you better be perfect. No one sin ever again, If you can;t do that, Your gospel is dead.