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Morning FreeNChrist,
I totally agree with all that you said in your post. This subject is I believe, one of the biggest deceptions that Satan has perpetrated to remove people from the truth. They claim salvation by grace through faith, but then through circumvention and the twisting of Scripture, they come right back around and end up with salvation by works. It's like they have spiritual blinders on. A good example of this are those who teach the keeping of Sabbath on Saturday as a requirement for salvation. So then salvation becomes faith in the shed blood of Christ and the keeping of the Sabbath on Saturday and whatever else they've added. The last requirement kills the first one! Paul made it clear though that those who put themselves under the works of the law or any works for the sake of obtaining or maintaining salvation have been alienated from Christ and have wandered away from grace. I believe that the NTL version really drives the point home:
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." (Eph.2:8-9)
Before I go outside I do not get my bible out and go over the ten commandments so as to make sure that I don't break any of them nor do I even think upon them. I follow Christ and am led by the Spirit! When I am out and about and God provides a good work for me to do I am not thinking "Oh good, another good work to maintain my salvation." Having the Holy Spirit, we should naturally have a desire to do good works, but not for the sake of obtaining or maintaining salvation, but for the purpose of glorifying God, being about his business and also by doing so, the Lord says that we are building up our treasures in heaven.
We should always be secure in knowing that our salvation has already been provided by the Lord's sacrifice as a free gift, that he alone purchased men for God with his blood and there is nothing that we can do or need to do to add to that. It's a done deal! In my opinion, anyone who brings in any works as a requirement for salvation along side Christ's shed blood is basically saying that his sacrifice was insufficient.
I have to keep going back to the father of faith, father Abraham, who was credited with righteousness because he believed God. God made a promise to him and he settled it in his heart that God was able to and would do what he said, and that's it. He had faith and it had nothing to do with good works, feeding and clothing the poor, being circumcised, the keeping of the law or anything else. But he was credited with righteousness by faith and faith alone. And we are the spiritual children of Abraham having the same faith and are also credited with righteousness.
The man who was crucified with Christ is an example of the simplicity of salvation when he said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom," and that one act of faith saved him. He couldn't come down to even be baptized, much less perform any works or be circumcised, but just by acknowledging Christ as Lord.
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ
I totally agree with all that you said in your post. This subject is I believe, one of the biggest deceptions that Satan has perpetrated to remove people from the truth. They claim salvation by grace through faith, but then through circumvention and the twisting of Scripture, they come right back around and end up with salvation by works. It's like they have spiritual blinders on. A good example of this are those who teach the keeping of Sabbath on Saturday as a requirement for salvation. So then salvation becomes faith in the shed blood of Christ and the keeping of the Sabbath on Saturday and whatever else they've added. The last requirement kills the first one! Paul made it clear though that those who put themselves under the works of the law or any works for the sake of obtaining or maintaining salvation have been alienated from Christ and have wandered away from grace. I believe that the NTL version really drives the point home:
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." (Eph.2:8-9)
Before I go outside I do not get my bible out and go over the ten commandments so as to make sure that I don't break any of them nor do I even think upon them. I follow Christ and am led by the Spirit! When I am out and about and God provides a good work for me to do I am not thinking "Oh good, another good work to maintain my salvation." Having the Holy Spirit, we should naturally have a desire to do good works, but not for the sake of obtaining or maintaining salvation, but for the purpose of glorifying God, being about his business and also by doing so, the Lord says that we are building up our treasures in heaven.
We should always be secure in knowing that our salvation has already been provided by the Lord's sacrifice as a free gift, that he alone purchased men for God with his blood and there is nothing that we can do or need to do to add to that. It's a done deal! In my opinion, anyone who brings in any works as a requirement for salvation along side Christ's shed blood is basically saying that his sacrifice was insufficient.
I have to keep going back to the father of faith, father Abraham, who was credited with righteousness because he believed God. God made a promise to him and he settled it in his heart that God was able to and would do what he said, and that's it. He had faith and it had nothing to do with good works, feeding and clothing the poor, being circumcised, the keeping of the law or anything else. But he was credited with righteousness by faith and faith alone. And we are the spiritual children of Abraham having the same faith and are also credited with righteousness.
The man who was crucified with Christ is an example of the simplicity of salvation when he said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom," and that one act of faith saved him. He couldn't come down to even be baptized, much less perform any works or be circumcised, but just by acknowledging Christ as Lord.
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus was prophesying to Israel not to the church. What Jesus was saying was that Israel thought they were going to be in the kingdom just because they were Israel. The truth was that only those who trust Christ will enter the kingdom. Israel was very religious but not according to knowledge of Christ. Much the same thing today with many professing to be Christian but having no personal knowledge of Christ. Religious but lost.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
E
John the baptist:
Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Jesus of Nazareth
Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
Paul of Tarsus
Acts 23:3
Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! For you sit to judge me according to the law, and do you command me to be struck contrary to the law?”
Just saying..
Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Jesus of Nazareth
Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
Paul of Tarsus
Acts 23:3
Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! For you sit to judge me according to the law, and do you command me to be struck contrary to the law?”
Just saying..
K
This was a picture of what will happen at the judgment seat of Christ, as there will be those at that time who will stand before Him thinking that they were saved because they believed in Him and did things that He said we will do. He told them He never knew them because they continued in their sinful lifestyles.
This was not just for the Jews or Israel as Apostle Paul says the same exact things to Gentile believers in Romans !!!
This was not just for the Jews or Israel as Apostle Paul says the same exact things to Gentile believers in Romans !!!
KennethC,
You are one of those people who will not let go of works and just trust in Christ. The only question to you is, are you saved by grace through faith alone apart from works or do you have a list of requirements that go along with Christ's sacrifice? If you do, then that list cancels out grace. This is exactly why Jesus says that on that day "Many" will say to me, "But Lord, Lord didn't we" Those last two words are the very reason that Christ will say to them "depart from me you evil doers" and that because anyone who is trusting in what they did are not trusting in what the Lord did.
You are one of those people who will not let go of works and just trust in Christ. The only question to you is, are you saved by grace through faith alone apart from works or do you have a list of requirements that go along with Christ's sacrifice? If you do, then that list cancels out grace. This is exactly why Jesus says that on that day "Many" will say to me, "But Lord, Lord didn't we" Those last two words are the very reason that Christ will say to them "depart from me you evil doers" and that because anyone who is trusting in what they did are not trusting in what the Lord did.
E
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Seems like Paul would agree with you
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Seems like Paul would agree with you
Right, but the point is that certain individuals believe that the people in the story were true believers, in which case one has to ask, "Is God just using me?" It reveals a lack of intimacy with the Lord and of knowing His character to think that He would cast His children to the pits of Hell, just using them for His purposes and then tossing them aside.
K
I do trust in the Lord for my salvation and again the uncalled for false accusation is not called for.
I believe exactly what you said in the second quote but you left off one piece, and that is:
"Jesus came in the flesh, was crucified for our sins, and was resurrected on the third day"
This is true but if you think just by stating this one quote or believing in this one quote is what saves then you missed a lot of Jesus teachings. This is the foundation of the faith in Christ and we are told to build on that foundation, and we do that by keeping and obey all that the Lord commanded.
The Great Commission says that all believers are to observe/obey all that the He commanded, not part or whatever things we want to.
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and because of that love and trust I have for Him, I also trust in all that He said which is the sign of a true faith which is why I defend His teachings and commands.
Even Jesus says why do you call Him Lord if you do not do the things He said ??????????
He follows that up with those who truly believe in Him will do what He said, and those who have a false profession will not and will fall to perdition !!!
I believe exactly what you said in the second quote but you left off one piece, and that is:
"Jesus came in the flesh, was crucified for our sins, and was resurrected on the third day"
This is true but if you think just by stating this one quote or believing in this one quote is what saves then you missed a lot of Jesus teachings. This is the foundation of the faith in Christ and we are told to build on that foundation, and we do that by keeping and obey all that the Lord commanded.
The Great Commission says that all believers are to observe/obey all that the He commanded, not part or whatever things we want to.
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and because of that love and trust I have for Him, I also trust in all that He said which is the sign of a true faith which is why I defend His teachings and commands.
Even Jesus says why do you call Him Lord if you do not do the things He said ??????????
He follows that up with those who truly believe in Him will do what He said, and those who have a false profession will not and will fall to perdition !!!
K
What did our Lord Jesus say:
Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
^^^^This is not about rewards^^^
Also God's word shows us clearly that denying Him is not just saying that you don't believe in God or Jesus, as Jesus and Paul both show that denying Him comes in actions/works as well.
(Matthew 25, Titus 1:16)
Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
^^^^This is not about rewards^^^
Also God's word shows us clearly that denying Him is not just saying that you don't believe in God or Jesus, as Jesus and Paul both show that denying Him comes in actions/works as well.
(Matthew 25, Titus 1:16)
K