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That's true. Faith and love. Those are his instructions. Following the spirit (not law) produces the fruit GOD is pleased with.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
But if you don't have the spirit, then all you are left with is law.
Aha, yes they do tend to pull the same old tricks of trying to get people on the defensive... throwing out strawmen to try and thwart the real subject, yadda yadda. It's obvious there is no sense continuing to visit this thread - The truth has been spoken, thus I will be unsubscribing.
There's a passage the Lord just plopped in my head where He told Jeremiah to not even bother to pray for the Israelites at one point because they were too hard of heart. God eventually brought them around Himself. He loves them and He will have His way. There's the easy way, or the hard way. One way or another God gets it done. I recommend the EASY way.. it's so much.. easier!.. LOL!
Yes and amen. I'm happy to meet you. Are there others here who are focused on relationship and not being sucked in by compromise? I know there are not a lot left in the body of this degree. Send me a PM since I won't be back to this particular thread.
..He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him - Acts 11:6b
This I agree with, although maybe not in the fashion with which you meant it.
I suspect some who are disagreeing with one another are actually on the same page but they're using ways of describing their thoughts in ways others don't (or refuse to for some reason) understand. ..... And then there are those who are just mean-spirited & sarcastic with no ability to reason = the display of their fruit speaks loudly (like clanging cymbals, lol). I pretty much ignore people when I see them behave that way, as I'm sure some have noticed
Those here who are creating man-made "rules" to dictate what legalism is instead of adhering to scripture are outing themselves.
All one can do is point to the truth = Relationship with Yeshua. = Everyone needs to have one for themselves or they will fall in line with the spirit of error.
In the 2 days I've been here, it's become increasingly clear as to who on this forum are seeking relationship with Abba, and those who are more interested in titles, branding people, and making lists of rules found on the internet.
The spirit of compromise is working it's lethal injection into the hearts of Christians - It is what the Lord spoke of when He mentioned the great apostasy.
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. - Matt 13:13
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Y'all take care now & be well blessed
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There's a passage the Lord just plopped in my head where He told Jeremiah to not even bother to pray for the Israelites at one point because they were too hard of heart. God eventually brought them around Himself. He loves them and He will have His way. There's the easy way, or the hard way. One way or another God gets it done. I recommend the EASY way.. it's so much.. easier!.. LOL!
Yes and amen. I'm happy to meet you. Are there others here who are focused on relationship and not being sucked in by compromise? I know there are not a lot left in the body of this degree. Send me a PM since I won't be back to this particular thread.
..He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him - Acts 11:6b
This I agree with, although maybe not in the fashion with which you meant it.
I suspect some who are disagreeing with one another are actually on the same page but they're using ways of describing their thoughts in ways others don't (or refuse to for some reason) understand. ..... And then there are those who are just mean-spirited & sarcastic with no ability to reason = the display of their fruit speaks loudly (like clanging cymbals, lol). I pretty much ignore people when I see them behave that way, as I'm sure some have noticed
Those here who are creating man-made "rules" to dictate what legalism is instead of adhering to scripture are outing themselves.
All one can do is point to the truth = Relationship with Yeshua. = Everyone needs to have one for themselves or they will fall in line with the spirit of error.
In the 2 days I've been here, it's become increasingly clear as to who on this forum are seeking relationship with Abba, and those who are more interested in titles, branding people, and making lists of rules found on the internet.
The spirit of compromise is working it's lethal injection into the hearts of Christians - It is what the Lord spoke of when He mentioned the great apostasy.
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. - Matt 13:13
- Unsubscribing. -
Y'all take care now & be well blessed
[video=youtube;5uGXeJMB9Go]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uGXeJMB9Go[/video]
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Aha, yes they do tend to pull the same old tricks of trying to get people on the defensive... throwing out strawmen to try and thwart the real subject, yadda yadda. It's obvious there is no sense continuing to visit this thread - The truth has been spoken, thus I will be unsubscribing.
There's a passage the Lord just plopped in my head where He told Jeremiah to not even bother to pray for the Israelites at one point because they were too hard of heart. God eventually brought them around Himself. He loves them and He will have His way. There's the easy way, or the hard way. One way or another God gets it done. I recommend the EASY way.. it's so much.. easier!.. LOL!
Yes and amen. I'm happy to meet you. Are there others here who are focused on relationship and not being sucked in by compromise? I know there are not a lot left in the body of this degree. Send me a PM since I won't be back to this particular thread.
..He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him - Acts 11:6b
This I agree with, although maybe not in the fashion with which you meant it.
I suspect some who are disagreeing with one another are actually on the same page but they're using ways of describing their thoughts in ways others don't (or refuse to for some reason) understand. ..... And then there are those who are just mean-spirited & sarcastic with no ability to reason = the display of their fruit speaks loudly (like clanging cymbals, lol). I pretty much ignore people when I see them behave that way, as I'm sure some have noticed
Those here who are creating man-made "rules" to dictate what legalism is instead of adhering to scripture are outing themselves.
All one can do is point to the truth = Relationship with Yeshua. = Everyone needs to have one for themselves or they will fall in line with the spirit of error.
In the 2 days I've been here, it's become increasingly clear as to who on this forum are seeking relationship with Abba, and those who are more interested in titles, branding people, and making lists of rules found on the internet.
The spirit of compromise is working it's lethal injection into the hearts of Christians - It is what the Lord spoke of when He mentioned the great apostasy.
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. - Matt 13:13
- Unsubscribing. -
Y'all take care now & be well blessed
There's a passage the Lord just plopped in my head where He told Jeremiah to not even bother to pray for the Israelites at one point because they were too hard of heart. God eventually brought them around Himself. He loves them and He will have His way. There's the easy way, or the hard way. One way or another God gets it done. I recommend the EASY way.. it's so much.. easier!.. LOL!
Yes and amen. I'm happy to meet you. Are there others here who are focused on relationship and not being sucked in by compromise? I know there are not a lot left in the body of this degree. Send me a PM since I won't be back to this particular thread.
..He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him - Acts 11:6b
This I agree with, although maybe not in the fashion with which you meant it.
I suspect some who are disagreeing with one another are actually on the same page but they're using ways of describing their thoughts in ways others don't (or refuse to for some reason) understand. ..... And then there are those who are just mean-spirited & sarcastic with no ability to reason = the display of their fruit speaks loudly (like clanging cymbals, lol). I pretty much ignore people when I see them behave that way, as I'm sure some have noticed
Those here who are creating man-made "rules" to dictate what legalism is instead of adhering to scripture are outing themselves.
All one can do is point to the truth = Relationship with Yeshua. = Everyone needs to have one for themselves or they will fall in line with the spirit of error.
In the 2 days I've been here, it's become increasingly clear as to who on this forum are seeking relationship with Abba, and those who are more interested in titles, branding people, and making lists of rules found on the internet.
The spirit of compromise is working it's lethal injection into the hearts of Christians - It is what the Lord spoke of when He mentioned the great apostasy.
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. - Matt 13:13
- Unsubscribing. -
Y'all take care now & be well blessed
Like I said legalism today produces the same kind of person as it did in Jesus time.
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The use of selective scripture is surely an enormous problem in the body of Christ, yes sadly that's true. Those who adhere to the entire Word and reject no part of it seem to be a remnant. The truth of the matter is that a person can make the Word say whatever they want it to say by picking & choosing passages here & there. Some do it out of ignorance, and others do it because they want to justify living how they wish instead of walking with God.
Those who point the finger yelling "legalist" at believers who walk with God are simply persecuting them, although (most are) blind to the fact that it's what they're doing. It can be very difficult & discouraging to be persecuted in this fashion, but God uses these instances as tests of our character..He watches to see how we respond, and it is not easy to respond with truth while not getting upset, but that is what we must learn.
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do - Luke 23:34
It was other believers who attacked Jesus, not the world.. so we can expect pretty much the same. These end times will show forth a great divide within Christian circles. It can be expected although it's not always a lot of fun.
God bless you and you continue to go forward in faith & obedience to Yahweh.
The use of selective scripture is surely an enormous problem in the body of Christ, yes sadly that's true
. Those who adhere to the entire Word and reject no part of it seem to be a remnant. The truth of the matter is that a person can make the Word say whatever they want it to say by picking & choosing passages here & there. Some do it out of ignorance, and others do it because they want to justify living how they wish instead of walking with God. Those who point the finger yelling "legalist" at believers who walk with God are simply persecuting them, although (most are) blind to the fact that it's what they're doing. It can be very difficult & discouraging to be persecuted in this fashion, but God uses these instances as tests of our character..He watches to see how we respond, and it is not easy to respond with truth while not getting upset, but that is what we must learn.
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do - Luke 23:34
It was other believers who attacked Jesus, not the world.. so we can expect pretty much the same. These end times will show forth a great divide within Christian circles. It can be expected although it's not always a lot of fun.
God bless you and you continue to go forward in faith & obedience to Yahweh.
1. No one is yelling legalist . Unless of course you consider the self described legalists yelling sinner at the other side to be yelling also?
2. Do you walk around with a phylactery bound to your forehead? Or do you believe God who gives us a new 'heart' because the stony heart, the one that constantly broke the law and wandered after other gods, is not acceptable to Him?
3. Do you write in seeming gentle phrases that have hammer blows behind them intended to create ire among those who do not accept your words as the gospel truth?
4. Your words are not benign and actually disguise the very condemnation you would pass on to those who disagree with you ... you are pointing the finger here, while pretending to accept God's testing of your character
5. Other believers did not attack Jesus and believers here are not attacking you or anyone else
35 posts in and you are an expert in the atmosphere here and are able to ascertain the hearts of us all
there are some here that I do not agree with, but they are not doing what you are doing
you sound an awful lot like someone who recently proclaimed themself to be a prophet and went about sowing discord
you are basically referring to other believers as the enemy and I do not consider ANY believer the enemy...but I do consider those who sow discord while attempting to appear consoling
sometimes I just wanna to take a shower after reading certain shumltzy posts, yuh know?
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Thanks for your reply.
conform to His image...what does that look like if not Torah observant? The law of Almighty is not a burden, would that all my neighbors could love it, then we wouldn't have to lock our doors at night, and warn our grandkids about evildoers. Sin is the burden, and enmity against Almighty, not His instructions. If you look at Jesus' words and deeds you will see He was setting the record straight, "..do not follow the takanot and maasim of the Pharasees.." (paraphrase) I believe the burdens of the law was what the religious leaders imposed because
Torah is certainly not hard but the rules of Judaism are thousands or rules keeping one busy all hours of the day, different denoms of Christianity all have their own set of rules..who is following Messiah? That's the crowd I want to be in.
For the record, I don't dare suggest anything is by my power, no. It is Messiah in us that allows us to do any good thing. Also for the record, I believe you have Messiah in you too. There may be things we can learn from each other, with all our human faults/experiences, and no need to quarrel or be unkind if we don't agree. (Not saying you are unkind, just generally speaking).
conform to His image...what does that look like if not Torah observant? The law of Almighty is not a burden, would that all my neighbors could love it, then we wouldn't have to lock our doors at night, and warn our grandkids about evildoers. Sin is the burden, and enmity against Almighty, not His instructions. If you look at Jesus' words and deeds you will see He was setting the record straight, "..do not follow the takanot and maasim of the Pharasees.." (paraphrase) I believe the burdens of the law was what the religious leaders imposed because
Torah is certainly not hard but the rules of Judaism are thousands or rules keeping one busy all hours of the day, different denoms of Christianity all have their own set of rules..who is following Messiah? That's the crowd I want to be in.
For the record, I don't dare suggest anything is by my power, no. It is Messiah in us that allows us to do any good thing. Also for the record, I believe you have Messiah in you too. There may be things we can learn from each other, with all our human faults/experiences, and no need to quarrel or be unkind if we don't agree. (Not saying you are unkind, just generally speaking).
Hebrew Roots Alert
One of the characteristics of followers Hebrew Roots teachings is that they call the law of Moses Torah, and use Hebrew pronunciations for certain words. The reason being that they think that bible cannot be understood from a "Greek mindset" (even though that is the language the apostles spoke and wrote in), but only through a "Hebrew mindset". Apparently, that means feeling like a Hebrew because you use Hebrew words.
Not saying anyone here is or isn't a HR follower; just pointing out what they believe.
One of the characteristics of followers Hebrew Roots teachings is that they call the law of Moses Torah, and use Hebrew pronunciations for certain words. The reason being that they think that bible cannot be understood from a "Greek mindset" (even though that is the language the apostles spoke and wrote in), but only through a "Hebrew mindset". Apparently, that means feeling like a Hebrew because you use Hebrew words.
Not saying anyone here is or isn't a HR follower; just pointing out what they believe.
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I keep hearing this, But I never see anyone say it. I keep asking who is teaching it, but no one can tell me.. So I can just ask who you see teaching this? Or are you just hearing others say people teach this, but have not seen it yet? (which I think happens alot in here sadly)
I agree here. And thank you,,
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Amen, You can not follow law and grace at the same time, unless you water down the law to some attainable level. If yuo see the law for what it is, You can only view it as impossible to even contemplate partially being able to obey it, it is so out of reach for even the most moral person alive. Let alone, those of us who are sinners.
People say mother theresa was a very righteous woman, She did so much for people. and lived a sacrificial life of obedience to God and his law.
Sadly, The law so soundly condemns even her, that if she did not come to grace and recieve the gift of eternal life through jesus, she will never see heaven.
People say mother theresa was a very righteous woman, She did so much for people. and lived a sacrificial life of obedience to God and his law.
Sadly, The law so soundly condemns even her, that if she did not come to grace and recieve the gift of eternal life through jesus, she will never see heaven.
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Actually this is not talking about the mosaic or the 10 commands, This speaks of all his laws and commands. The ten are just a taste of all Gods commands. I cal them Gods law for dummies, He said, here I will give you these ten, see if you can do these, and we can not even do those. Let alone the rest of what he commands.
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the question is
How do we obey Gods commands, By the flesh by following rules
or by the spirit by living the law of love.
Jesus said all the law and prophets are fulfilled in two commands, which we call the law of love. There are those who reject this, and say we do it by the flesh, by following the ten and the law. Which has no power to show us how to love let alone obey them.
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If sin was so hard, no one would do it. If righteousness (foll
owing the law) was so easy, we all would have no problem doing it. Isreal had the law for centuries, yet could not do it. Why do we want to think we will be any better then they did (especially since they had all the cermony, and the temple, and the sacrifices which would have kept them on track.) They ended up writing new books to add laws to help them obey it better, We say how well that worked right?? NOT!
So why do we not want to do it the way Jesus said (love) and not the way the jews tried it (flesh) I do not get why anyone would think this is even attainable. Unless (as we even see) we water the law down, then what good is the law, it is even further useless, because it can not even lead us to Christ anymore, because we think we have arrived.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8
