How was job righteous?

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Exoaria

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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

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Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
 

loveme1

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There is much to learn from through the story of Job.

What is in your heart is being portrayed here; "DOUBT"

May the day come when you believe.
 

posthuman

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" Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. "

(Galatians 3:6)
 
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Sanashankar

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One must understand the difference between relative truth and absolute truth to understand the Book of Job and all scriptures.

When God said that Job was a "perfect and upright man" that was true since God does not lie. Job was a good and upright man relative to other men. Even Satan couldn't find anything wrong with Job. Satan is an expert on sin and evil. If he can't find something wrong with you, then you must be good, relatively speaking.

But, in terms of absolute good, God saw huge beam in Job's eye. Job was self-righteous. Job was good; Job knew he was good; and he wasn't shy about saying so. Even when God took everything from Job (except for a nagging wife who wouldn't shut up
), Job still maintained his integrity, his sense of being right and good.

In the scriptures, God teaches that all men have sinned (including Job); that none are good.

Job disagreed. Job thought he was good.

What does God think about Job or any man? "..for dust you are, and unto dust you shall return." Gen 3:19

So since God and Job disagreed, God straightened Job out on this point. In chapter 42 of the Book, Job repented and acknowledged his sin. After all, if you are without sin, what do you repent of?

The Book of Job is a profound lesson for all of us. Beware the sin of self righteousness. If the Spirit of God is in us, then we will do the good works of Jesus. We have to take care and acknowledge that the good comes from God and not from us.


God bless u
 
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MidniteWelder

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Proper study of Gods word against itself is not to mean to set it against itself
This would be dividing a kingdom against itself
Ask God for understanding and he will show you that scripture supports itself, even when at first glance it may appear some things contradict...its the reasoning behind them that is important to understand.
Motives are important to God as he sets and gauges the motives.

I don't find a question in your post Exoaria, so I will conclude these two scriptures you have posted seem to contradict one another in some way.

The key in understanding the two is within targeting the motive behind the act.
Improper motives don't even get a prayer answered
---therefore unrighteous, as we are told when we ask we do not receive, and we do not receive because we ask with improper motives
The most noble act can be regarded as improper if set out with improper motive.

Has it not been read where God has shown favor on one of his servants?
We can see that God has indeed shown favor for one over another.
Not that one was better but their motive direction and heart toward God was proper in the sight of the Lord.

In contrast...one who's acts appear righteous or seemingly so...yet with improper motives---Ie: thinking they attain spiritual gain in return as if payment for doing so should be received would be a motive equated to filthy rags
Or doing so in front of others so as to receive favor in the eyes of onlookers would be improper motive behind doing something, we are told if that is the case they already have their reward.

Does this mean we should not perform righteous acts?
Certainly not---
Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty is what we're told to practice
The more practiced one is in those acts the more natural and second nature within pleasing God they will become.
I believe it's more those who thought themselves self-righteous by their own deeds as if they could appoint themselves as righteous doers who's acts were as filthy rags.
Those acts didn't mean much by placing the value of righteousness upon the acts according to their own standards.

Jesus even commended some righteous acts performed by believers, because their motives were of the most high.
The widow who gave two small copper coins is just one example
“Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.
44They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.

An act of righteousness performed through perfect unfailing Faith that the Lord would provide when she now had nothing
...what more could the Lord ask for?
 
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Tintin

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There is much to learn from through the story of Job.

What is in your heart is being portrayed here; "DOUBT"

May the day come when you believe.
Doubt is not the issue. A certain amount of doubt is healthy. But what does it lead to? A greater understanding or a rejection of God and his Word? That's what is really at stake.
 
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Obviously, Job does not fit the description of the unrighteous that “have practiced deceit” (Romans 3:13) among a host of other sins. So we can safely assume he was excluded from the pack.
 
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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

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Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
When everything that Job love on earth was taken from him, but he never give up his love that he has for God.

Gen 22:12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God,because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
 
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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

[HR][/HR]

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
And therein is the mystery of godliness...
 
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CHRISTENE

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Righteousness comes only through God, God alone is righteous.We mankind have a tendency to become self righteous.When we stick to God ways His righteousness flows in ,us we cannot take any credit for the righteousness because its from God and for His glory alone.


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For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
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Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him.
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Job knew that God was trying Him and he chose to be faithful to God in the adverse circumstances.



Isaiah 64:6

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are likefilthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.


Isaiah 58:1-5
58:1
Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

58:2
Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

58:3
Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

58:4
Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

58:5
Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

It is obvious people Isaiah was referring to were people who desired to please God in their ways and they were acting in self righteous ways, hence God rejected their deed's.
A better understanding can be derived when we learn the scripture in the context and when we read the entire book of Isaiah , and Job.


Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

A better reference of Romans 3:10 according to my bible is , it has been taken from Psalm 14:1-3 & Psalm 53:1-3

Psalm 14:1-3
14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalm 53:1-3
51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
51:2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.



Psalm 51:5
51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

This verse reminds us that none of us a born righteous, but when we choose to do what is right in the sight of God, God calls us righteous as in the case of Abraham,Genesis 15:6 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness .And when we choose to do evil God calls us wicked. So let the Judge of all mankind decide who is righteous and who is not. Its in His hands and depends on our choice.

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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

[HR][/HR]

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​


Job was righteous because of this...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Job simply did the right thing and lived his life according to the will of God. His heart was set on doing the right thing in accordance with the will of God.

The righteousness of Job can be compared to the righteousness of the parents of John the Baptist for they walked in the same faith.

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Just as Abel was righteous...

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Was the righteousness of Job, Zacharias, Elisabeth and Abel as filthy rags before God? Of course not. Isaiah was crying out to God as a human being and thus generally associating himself with the rebellion of man.

Isa 64:6 is not a verse in isolation and cannot be quoted to universally support that all people, everywhere, all the time are wicked. To do that is to misuse Scripture.

Isaiah does this many times for example...

Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Had Isaiah made an agreement with hell? Had Isaiah made lies his refuge? Had Isaiah hid himself under falsehood? Of course not.

Yet anyone could snip that verse out of context and apply it in such a manner if they chose to do so.

Here is the full context of Isaiah 64:6...

Isa 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,
Isa 64:2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!
Isa 64:3 When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence.
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isa 64:7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Isa 64:9 Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.
Isa 64:10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.
Isa 64:11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.
Isa 64:12 Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?



It is very important that we be very careful in what manner we hear things. When Jesus was tempted Satan used the Scripture in a false manner. His ministers today do the same thing and they can be found very convincing.





Likewise Romans 3:10 is presented with a context that both the "nations" of the Jews and Gentiles are found to be under sin and when Paul makes the statement in Romans 3:10 he is quoting the sentiment found in...

Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
Psa 14:5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
Psa 14:6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.
Psa 14:7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
Psa 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.
Psa 53:6 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Notice that the context of the "none righteous, not one" is in regards to the "fool" who denied God in their heart. It is those people who are filthy and work iniquity.



Notice in Hebrews 11 where it speaks of the righteousness of Abel how it connects his righteousness to faith...

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

It was the faith of Abel that bore witness that he was a righteous man. Compare that to what Paul writes...

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Genuine righteousness flows out of a genuine faith. Genuine faith is premised upon the heart truly being yielded to the will of God. Hence men like Job, Abel, Zacharias and others are righteous simply because they do the right thing from the heart, a heart yielded to the will of God.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

With that in mind read Romans 3...

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Paul refers to those of Jewish descent.
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. The advantage of the Jew was that they had been given direct instruction from God.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Does disobedience to God make faith of none effect? Of course not.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) Here Paul is speaking of the national unrighteousness of the Jews and how it clearly gives contrast to the righteousness of God. Yet does such a contrast being made (and how God uses this contrast) mean that God is unjust in judging sinners? Of course not.
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Is Paul admitting that he is lying here? No. He is simply contrasting lies to truth, sin to righteousness. God uses sin as a contrast to His righteousness.
Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. Due to God using sin to magnify His glory should be do evil that His glory may abound? No of course not. Paul is using the same sentiment here that he uses in Rom 6:1 where he asks should we sin so that grace will abound more?
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; So now Paul asks that due to the above are the Jewish people better than the Gentile people?
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: No they are not. For both the Jewish people and the Gentile people are concluded under sin. Paul is not quoting the sentiment of Psa 14 and Psa 53 which is speaking of men in rebellion.
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Paul is speaking of the workers of iniquity BOTH Jew and Gentile. He is not speaking of the righteous, those who abide in the will of God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Paul is speaking of the workers of iniquity BOTH Jew and Gentile. He is not speaking of the righteous, those who abide in the will of God.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Were the mouths of Job, Abel, Zachariah and Daniel full of cursing and bitterness? See how the false teachers twist Rom 3:10 out of context? It is very easy to fool those who don't really study the context of these verses.
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. Job 1:1 specifically states that Job feared God so CLEARLY Paul is not speaking about people like Job in these verses. Paul is speaking about the wicked people of BOTH the Jews and the Gentiles. None of them are righteous, none of them seek God, none of them do good, all their righteousness is as filthy rags.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Sin is not imputed where there is no law (Rom 5:13).
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The law does not and cannot justify because the law only pertains to OUTWARD DEEDS and not the INWARD HEART. Thus the law gives us knowledge of sin becuause it is instructive or righteous behaviour.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Jesus Christ manifested righteousness without the law. The manifestation of this righteousness was LOVE. Jesus taught that the greatest commandment is to love God with all our hearts, soul and mind and that the second greatest commandment is to love our neighbour as ourself. Love out of a pure heart is the bedrock of true rigtheousness.
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: The righteousness of God is by the FAITH of Jesus Christ. That is a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6) for it is love that fulfills the law (Rom 13:10). This love is upon those who BELIEVE because those who BELIEVE are abiding in the doctrine of Christ, they abide in the vine without which we can do nothing.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; All have sinned, both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: The justification of both Jew and Gentile is freely by the grace of God through the redemption that is IN Jesus Christ. We must ABIDE IN CHRIST. Compare to Rom 8:2 where Paul writes how it is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ which sets us free from the law of sin and death. Then look up the word redemption for it literally means to be set free from bondage by payment of a ransom. The death of Christ was an offering made on our behalf whereby we could approach God and enter into Covenant (dedicated with the blood of Jesus) through repentance and faith and be restored to favour. This redemption is a MANIFEST REALITY which is implicitly connected to PURITY OF HEART.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Jesus was set forth as an offering by which our previous sins could be expiated (passed over/washed away) when we forsake our old man (who was in rebellion to God) and identify ourselves (in word and deed) with Jesus Christ by entering into the Spirit of His life. The blood of Jesus is what dedicates the covenant we enter into with God (Heb 9:18-20) hence we are "enjoined unto God by covenant via the blood."
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. God is just in justifying us because this dynamic produces genuine purity of heart and thus God's grace is not treated as a license to rebel again.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. This dynamic leaves no room for boasting because it is wrought directly by the work of God. All we do is abide in that work with a true heart which results in a total inward transformation.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. We are thus justified by faith (which works by love) without the deeds of the law. In other words salvation is wrought INWARD OUT as opposed to OUTWARD IN.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: This dynamic applies to BOTH the Jews and the Gentiles.
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. God justifies BOTH the Jews and the Gentiles by FAITH.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Does faith void the law? No it does not, it fulfills it or establishes it. The righteousness of the law is fulfilled IN those who walk after the Spirit (Rom 8:2).


Now continue reading Romans 4 where Paul explains justification without works (works of the law) and teaches about the faith of Abraham.

It is a beautiful thing.

God bless.
 
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One must understand the difference between relative truth and absolute truth to understand the Book of Job and all scriptures.

When God said that Job was a "perfect and upright man" that was true since God does not lie. Job was a good and upright man relative to other men. Even Satan couldn't find anything wrong with Job. Satan is an expert on sin and evil. If he can't find something wrong with you, then you must be good, relatively speaking.

But, in terms of absolute good, God saw huge beam in Job's eye. Job was self-righteous. Job was good; Job knew he was good; and he wasn't shy about saying so. Even when God took everything from Job (except for a nagging wife who wouldn't shut up
), Job still maintained his integrity, his sense of being right and good.

In the scriptures, God teaches that all men have sinned (including Job); that none are good.

Job disagreed. Job thought he was good.

What does God think about Job or any man? "..for dust you are, and unto dust you shall return." Gen 3:19

So since God and Job disagreed,
Let's not be too hard on Job.

God is the one who declared that he was a "perfect and upright man" (1:8, 2:3).
That's where we get to leave it.

What we do see is that Job did not sin in what he said (2:10), because
he did not curse God (1:11, 2:5),
however, he did feel he had a right to an explanation, which God owed him--presumption
( 9:16, 10:2, 13:3, 22-23), and
he did complain because God afflicted the righteous, but not the wicked--discrediting
God's justice (chp 24, cf v.12).

And God did charge Job with
ignorance (chps 38-39),
casting shadows of ignorance over his wisdom (38:2), and
discrediting his justice (40:8) in order to justify himself to his friends (6:29, 13:12-19)
who were using his affliction as proof of his unrighteousness
(22:4-30, 34:10-12, 31-37, 35:12-16, 36:8-17).

And he challenged Job to match him in
justice (40:8),
power (40:9),
majesty (40:10) and
dominion (40:11-14).

God straightened Job out on this point. In chapter 42 of the Book, Job repented and acknowledged his sin. After all, if you are without sin, what do you repent of?
Yes, Job
is humbled (42:30),
repents (42:6) and
embraces the sovereign actions of God (42:5; cf 19:26-27).

But it is worth noting that Job was never given an explanation for his affliction.

The Book of Job is a profound lesson for all of us. Beware the sin of self righteousness. If the Spirit of God is in us, then we will do the good works of Jesus. We have to take care and acknowledge that the good comes from God and not from us.
It is also a profound lesson in

God's ways, which are not our ways
(Isa 55:8-9), and

the sovereignty of God requires our trust, not our understanding
(Ro 11:33).
 
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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

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Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
 

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Exoaria said:
Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared

God, and eschewed evil.
(This is in your Bibles.)

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
And therein is the mystery of godliness...
The mystery (never before revealed) of godliness is Christ (1Ti 3:16).
 
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How was job righteous?
Like anyone else Christ died for is made Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Job had his eye of Faith centered in Christ Job 19:25

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
 
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Exo your answer is in Job 42.... Does a perfect man need to repent? Job did in Job 42... And Job was NOT PERFECT... He himself ABHORE HIMSELF.... He says he spoke of things he understood not,... Read Job 42... Job withdew ALL of the book of Job....

Also Sayan will NEVER enter into the light.... Corinthians says.. there is NO communion between light and darkness...

Read Job 42... And learn the Truth.
 
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The mystery (never before revealed) of godliness is Christ (1Ti 3:16).
And confessedly great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16​
 
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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

[HR][/HR]

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
Job 1
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
 
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Exo your answer is in Job 42.... Does a perfect man need to repent? Job did in Job 42... And Job was NOT PERFECT... He himself ABHORE HIMSELF.... He says he spoke of things he understood not,... Read Job 42... Job withdew ALL of the book of Job....

Also Sayan will NEVER enter into the light.... Corinthians says.. there is NO communion between light and darkness...

Read Job 42... And learn the Truth.
[h=3]Job 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
 
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chubbena

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Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (This is in your Bibles)

[HR][/HR]

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

​(These are also in your Bibles)​
Read Isaiah 64:6 in context - the unrighteous cannot do any righteous acts.
Read where Romans 3:10 quoted from.
It's Psalm 53.
Read Psalm 53 in context - the psalmist was referring to those who does not acknowledge Yahweh.
 
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