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[KennethC]

Kenneth
You are not sinless

I never said I was, but the point I was making is that nowhere in the bible does it give us the right not does it say we can continue to live the same way we did before.

That would show if no change that one is not truly born again.

The Apostles clearly show those who have a unloving, uncaring, and unforgiving heart do not belong to Christ.

 

[james57]

I don't think he is either but I don't think that is the point he was trying to make. Do you know what it means to "tishuva" (I know I spelled that wrong).

No I'm a simple chap lol

 

[james57]

I never said I was, but the point I was making is that nowhere in the bible does it give us the right not does it say we can continue to live the same way we did before.

That would show if no change that one is not truly born again.

The Apostles clearly show those who have a unloving, uncaring, and unforgiving heart do not belong to Christ.

The born again christian does not want to continue to sin as they did before because they have been born again.
That is the whole point of being born again

 

[KennethC]

soul is used many times in scripture as the person..

Numbers 15:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

Jonah 4:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah's head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, "Death is better to me than life."

You are free to live your own belief my brother....it's ok...Be blessed!

I think you need to read Matthew10:28 again.

It clearly states only God can destroy the soul, man can only destroy the body.

Yes I will continue to believe God and His Holy Spirit over any man or man made ism.

 

[Grace777x70]

These 2 scriptures are really going to ruin our day!..It says the one born of God cannot sin...

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

there are some things we do not fully understand...this means if you ever sinned ..you are not and have not been born of God...It says..the one born of God..CANNOT sin..

 

[Grace777x70]

The soul dies here on earth..but only God can only destroy the soul...very true!!

I think you need to read Matthew10:28 again.

It clearly states only God can destroy the soul, man can only destroy the body.

Yes I will continue to believe God and His Holy Spirit over any man or man made ism.

 

[james57]

The soul dies here on earth..but only God can only destroy the soul...very true!!

The flesh dies, why do you believe the soul dies?

 

[Grace777x70]

The soul is used many times in the scripture to denote the person.....a human being..
5425. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]ψυχή[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT="Gentium" !important][I]psuchē[/I][/FONT] noun Soul, life, mind, heart, [B]person[/B], self.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.


[QUOTE="james57, post: 2393764"]The flesh dies, why do you believe the soul dies?[/QUOTE]

 

[Grace777x70]

Which is why I said the soul..meaning a person..human can die.. the soul that sins shall surely die.. talking about the person..not the internal makeup between spirit and soul...lot's of words have different meanings in the bible..

The soul is used many times in the scripture to denote the person.....a human being..
5425. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]ψυχή[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]psuchē[/FONT] noun Soul, life, mind, heart, person, self.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.

 

[Grace777x70]

here is a perfect example..

Matthew 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's lifeare dead."

"life" here is the exact same word in james 5:20 for "soul"...

The flesh dies, why do you believe the soul dies?

 

[james57]

here is a perfect example..

Matthew 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's lifeare dead."

"life" here is the exact same word in james 5:20 for "soul"...

Yes, they have departed Thi earth, they have died, but the soul lives on

 

[james57]

here is a perfect example..

Matthew 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's lifeare dead."

"life" here is the exact same word in james 5:20 for "soul"...

When he opened the fith seal I saw under the altar the SOULS of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained
They called out in a loud voice.....
Rev6:9&10

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes...soul was used a lot in the New Testament to mean "life" ..I did a quick look and there are about 25 or more times the word life or lives was used.

...our soul will be in heaven for sure!..lol..the study of the soul is actually very interesting..

Yes, they have departed Thi earth, they have died, but the soul lives on

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes...worthy is the Lamb!!!!

When he opened the fith seal I saw under the altar the SOULS of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained
They called out in a loud voice.....
Rev6:9&10

 

[Grace777x70]

I love that it always comes back to the loveliness of Jesus and HIs great salvation!

Yes...worthy is the Lamb!!!!

 

[james57]

Yes...worthy is the Lamb!!!!

The point is, souls cannot cry out if the are dead, dead if you get what I mean

 

[ladylynn]

The gospel of Jesus is the power for salvation.

Yet Paul also says in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will receive His remission for sins only if we continue in the faith and not moved away from the gospel.

Twice in James (5:12, 19-20) he speaks of condemnation of those who fall away if they do not return to Christ.

COLOSSIANS 1:22:We are holy, blameless, and unreproveable <b>in His sight</b>. God is a Spirit and sees us through our new, born-again spirits. Therefore, these three qualities are in our spirits, not our flesh. If we are only looking for these things in the physical realm, we will be disappointed and may even doubt that the Lord has really effected these changes in us.Our born-again spirits are already righteous and truly holy (see notes 17-18 at Ephesians 4:24). This should be reflected in our physical lives, but as long as we are in this world, it will never manifest itself to the degree that it already has in our spirits. Praise the Lord that He sees us in Christ; i.e., in the spirit.

A.Wommack commentary

 

[Grace777x70]

Yep..two different uses for soul...and pretty close in meaning too eh?...I definitely get what you are putting down!

The point is, souls cannot cry out if the are dead, dead if you get what I mean

 

[JFSurvivor]

I think it is dangerous to attack the most important way we relate to God.

And that is by faith.

The one and only way we come to Christ is by believing we are already forgiven of our sins prior to coming to Him. If we didn't believe that we couldn't dare approach.

It would be like coming before a hungry lion wrapped in raw steak. You wouldn't be able to form coherent thoughts for fear of what was next.

So if we don't believe we are already forgiven of our sins before we come to Christ, then we have regarded our sin before the Lord as more powerful than the Blood He has Shed for the remission of them.


The wicked will use doctrines for wickedness. That's just what the wicked do. That doesn't make the doctrine itself wicked.

We must come to Christ as children. This doesn't change because certain people might 'abuse' the privelege.

God Bless you, I know you mean well.

Did you watch the video???? That is not what the dude said at all!!!

 

[JFSurvivor]

There is some problems with what some are teaching as grace...but this fellow don't seem to grasp the issue from what I watched.

How does he not grasp it?