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You really need to take some time and listen to people that God has sent to us to teach us about the grace of Christ.
before you ask anymore questions..I encourage you to listen to the below video..then come back and ask questions..questions are good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzI2XY8EkY
before you ask anymore questions..I encourage you to listen to the below video..then come back and ask questions..questions are good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzI2XY8EkY
K
The gospel of Jesus is the power for salvation.
Yet Paul also says in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will receive His remission for sins only if we continue in the faith and not moved away from the gospel.
Twice in James (5:12, 19-20) he speaks of condemnation of those who fall away if they do not return to Christ.
Yet Paul also says in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will receive His remission for sins only if we continue in the faith and not moved away from the gospel.
Twice in James (5:12, 19-20) he speaks of condemnation of those who fall away if they do not return to Christ.
K
Who said that ???
Sin is never acceptable, and God's grace does not allow sin to continue either.
Paul warned no less than 5 times about continuing to sin. He even warned Apostle Timothy about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again.
Jude 1:4 says teachers who speak in a way to where they allow lewdness to continue are marked for condemnation.
Sin is never acceptable, and God's grace does not allow sin to continue either.
Paul warned no less than 5 times about continuing to sin. He even warned Apostle Timothy about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again.
Jude 1:4 says teachers who speak in a way to where they allow lewdness to continue are marked for condemnation.
I had the exact same feelings as you my brother about those "ifs" and so I went to stuy it out and asking the Lord to show me what's up with these.
it turns out that in the original greek as in Col 1"23 that you mentioned here - it is viewed as a condition fulfilled.
..here is what I found that helped me with this seemingly contradictory dilemma .
Greek scholar A.T. Robertson
If so be that ye continue in the faith ([FONT="Gentium" !important][I][SIZE=5]ei ge epimenete tēi pistei[/SIZE][/I][/FONT][/COLOR]). [U][B]Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),
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Word Pictures in the New Testament.
The same thing for things like..Col 3:1.."If you be raised up with Christ..."..it is not a conditional "IF"..it's a "s[B]ince [/B]you have been raised up with Christ"
The james scriptures relate to judgment on this earth for deeds done...like sow to the flesh and reap to the flesh..example if I drink and drive..I may crash and be killed because of my stupidity....I don't see how they say the believer loses their salvation.
Romans 8:1 "There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus."
We are in Christ..there is no condemnation for believers as far as the Lord is concerned...remember the priest looks at the lamb for perfection..not the man who brings the lamb. Jesus is our perfect Lamb! The Father sees Him.
When we really see the gospel of grace. HIs life in us cause those dead leaves to drop off of us as His sap( life) runs out of us....producing His fruit in us. It's the whole abide in the vine thing..without Me you can do nothing...
We have a great salvation!
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2393546"]The gospel of Jesus is the power for salvation.
Yet Paul also says in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will receive His remission for sins only if we continue in the faith and not moved away from the gospel.
Twice in James (5:12, 19-20) he speaks of condemnation of those who fall away if they do not return to Christ.[/QUOTE]
it turns out that in the original greek as in Col 1"23 that you mentioned here - it is viewed as a condition fulfilled.
..here is what I found that helped me with this seemingly contradictory dilemma .
Greek scholar A.T. Robertson
If so be that ye continue in the faith ([FONT="Gentium" !important][I][SIZE=5]ei ge epimenete tēi pistei[/SIZE][/I][/FONT][/COLOR]). [U][B]Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),
[/B][/U]
Word Pictures in the New Testament.
The same thing for things like..Col 3:1.."If you be raised up with Christ..."..it is not a conditional "IF"..it's a "s[B]ince [/B]you have been raised up with Christ"
The james scriptures relate to judgment on this earth for deeds done...like sow to the flesh and reap to the flesh..example if I drink and drive..I may crash and be killed because of my stupidity....I don't see how they say the believer loses their salvation.
Romans 8:1 "There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus."
We are in Christ..there is no condemnation for believers as far as the Lord is concerned...remember the priest looks at the lamb for perfection..not the man who brings the lamb. Jesus is our perfect Lamb! The Father sees Him.
When we really see the gospel of grace. HIs life in us cause those dead leaves to drop off of us as His sap( life) runs out of us....producing His fruit in us. It's the whole abide in the vine thing..without Me you can do nothing...
We have a great salvation!
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2393546"]The gospel of Jesus is the power for salvation.
Yet Paul also says in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will receive His remission for sins only if we continue in the faith and not moved away from the gospel.
Twice in James (5:12, 19-20) he speaks of condemnation of those who fall away if they do not return to Christ.[/QUOTE]
Sin is destructive! and no one says it's ok to sin.
Here is a short teaching on grace and sin in jude 1:4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg
Here is a short teaching on grace and sin in jude 1:4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg
If you are under grace you sin far less than under the law.
We all technically sin every day because we cannot attain to the standard the law sets
However, the sin that hurts us, and takes away our peace is when we don't follow after the holy spirit but turn away to follow after the flesh. The eternal struggle of man( and woman)
We all technically sin every day because we cannot attain to the standard the law sets
However, the sin that hurts us, and takes away our peace is when we don't follow after the holy spirit but turn away to follow after the flesh. The eternal struggle of man( and woman)
K
Sorry but you just showed who you trusted.
You started out good saying you went to the Lord, but then you side stepped and showed you actually believe what a suppesed Greek scholar said.
Colossians is not spoken in a past fulfilled tone. It clearly states a continuous action.
Even the true definition of believe is also a continuous action, not a one time act as so badly taught now days.
And no about James as he clearly is talking about eternal life, especially in chapter 5.
It says soul will be saved, man can not destroy the soul. Only God can do this !!!
Romans 8:1 you are only giving part of that verse.
The second half was added on, but Paul states the same 3 more times in that chapter. That the no condemnation is only to those who walk by the Spirit.
To walk by the flesh Paul says those can not please God and are still enmity to God.
I would suggest you to do more study into the eternal security and osas doctrines, because I have by the Holy Spirit's guidance.
I know when and by who both doctrines were started. Neither was taught before the 4th century.
You started out good saying you went to the Lord, but then you side stepped and showed you actually believe what a suppesed Greek scholar said.
Colossians is not spoken in a past fulfilled tone. It clearly states a continuous action.
Even the true definition of believe is also a continuous action, not a one time act as so badly taught now days.
And no about James as he clearly is talking about eternal life, especially in chapter 5.
It says soul will be saved, man can not destroy the soul. Only God can do this !!!
Romans 8:1 you are only giving part of that verse.
The second half was added on, but Paul states the same 3 more times in that chapter. That the no condemnation is only to those who walk by the Spirit.
To walk by the flesh Paul says those can not please God and are still enmity to God.
I would suggest you to do more study into the eternal security and osas doctrines, because I have by the Holy Spirit's guidance.
I know when and by who both doctrines were started. Neither was taught before the 4th century.
Well..the Lord does us people to help us..that's why Paul wrote in Ephesians that He gave gifts to men..apostles, prophets, ..teachers..
james says the soul shall die...not eternal damnation as you "read" into it. Ok..if I die tomorrow..am I damned because I die?..I die and go to be with the Lord!..Praise God!
So..it look's like we are not raised up with Christ then seeing that it is all conditional...because in Col 3:1 it says "If you are raised up with Christ.."..that's a hard pill for me to swallow my brother.
Romans 8:1...if you were to study it out..the last part of the verse as you say..which is in KJV..most other modern translations do not have that in because most manuscripts don't have it in there.
yes..those who walk according to the flesh do not please God..it is impossible..that's why trusting in good works does not save you. Jesus blood does!
I believe that the Blood of Jesus through His grace has more power then sin.
Romans 5:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
it looks like we are have different beliefs about it..that's ok my precious brother! We don't have to be angry with each other.... Let's live from the truth Paul says here...
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
james says the soul shall die...not eternal damnation as you "read" into it. Ok..if I die tomorrow..am I damned because I die?..I die and go to be with the Lord!..Praise God!
So..it look's like we are not raised up with Christ then seeing that it is all conditional...because in Col 3:1 it says "If you are raised up with Christ.."..that's a hard pill for me to swallow my brother.
Romans 8:1...if you were to study it out..the last part of the verse as you say..which is in KJV..most other modern translations do not have that in because most manuscripts don't have it in there.
yes..those who walk according to the flesh do not please God..it is impossible..that's why trusting in good works does not save you. Jesus blood does!
I believe that the Blood of Jesus through His grace has more power then sin.
Romans 5:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
it looks like we are have different beliefs about it..that's ok my precious brother! We don't have to be angry with each other.... Let's live from the truth Paul says here...
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
Nobody can serve 2 masters is true..that has nothing to do with believing that sin is stronger then the blood of Jesus.
Again..it's the lamb that has to be spotless not the person that brings the lamb. Jesus is our Lamb.
This is not an excuse for people to do whatever they want. perhaps that is what is upsetting you?
Christ is our righteousness!!!
Again..it's the lamb that has to be spotless not the person that brings the lamb. Jesus is our Lamb.
This is not an excuse for people to do whatever they want. perhaps that is what is upsetting you?
Christ is our righteousness!!!
do we have faith in our ability to do good?..or in the blod of Jesus that saves us?..Is it by grace we are saved or by ourselves?
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Grace is scandalous!
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Grace is scandalous!
K
You seem to be corrupted by the doctrine of Calvinism.
It clearly states in the Word of God WE will be presented spotless.
We will only be presented as received remission by His blood covering our sins if we are in the faith.
Calvin's teaching is dangerous as he derived his doctrine from another apostate version.
It clearly states in the Word of God WE will be presented spotless.
We will only be presented as received remission by His blood covering our sins if we are in the faith.
Calvin's teaching is dangerous as he derived his doctrine from another apostate version.
K
Wonderful, two passages used by osasers.
Ephesians is referring to God sending Jesus in flesh to die on the cross for us.
And Titus is speaking on the born again process of baptism and receiving of the Holy Spirit.
If a person is born again they would have a new mindset, and walking by love an obedience to Christ should not even be an issue. It would be defended !!!
Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
well..I suppose we could change this scripture to..." you are only alive in HIm IF whatever someone else deems as you not having any sin... having forgiven us all our transgressions..well..not really all..
As I say my brother..I just can't swallow it..I know where you are coming from..I grew up with that doctrine in my church...
anything that makes the gospel conditional not eh gospel..the good news is called the good news for a reason..and it's a done deal too..that's why they call it news!
As I say we are free to have our own faith..Mine is in the efficacy of the Blood of Jesus...be blessed!
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
well..I suppose we could change this scripture to..." you are only alive in HIm IF whatever someone else deems as you not having any sin... having forgiven us all our transgressions..well..not really all..
As I say my brother..I just can't swallow it..I know where you are coming from..I grew up with that doctrine in my church...
anything that makes the gospel conditional not eh gospel..the good news is called the good news for a reason..and it's a done deal too..that's why they call it news!
As I say we are free to have our own faith..Mine is in the efficacy of the Blood of Jesus...be blessed!
soul is used many times in scripture as the person..
Numbers 15:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
Jonah 4:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah's head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, "Death is better to me than life."
You are free to live your own belief my brother....it's ok...Be blessed!
Numbers 15:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
Jonah 4:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah's head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, "Death is better to me than life."
You are free to live your own belief my brother....it's ok...Be blessed!