Hyper grace

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

Also, the walk in Christ is a joy. His commandments are not grievous but bears the peaceable fruit of righteousness. Righteous people bear righteous fruit. They are walking in newness of life and the more they understand the love of God, the more joyful they are. Our striving is not like the worlds idea of striving. Because we are learning about Jesus and looking to Him, we are not interested in the fake and hollow life of sin. We strive in all joy to allow the Jesus to live through us because that peaceable fruit of righteousness is so great it is better than life., like that song "Your loving kindness is better than life.."

For I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live., yet not I but Christ lives in me, and the live I now live I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me. wow.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

I do not get it, if we could be good before salvation, then why did we need Christ? Why did he not just make us good to begin with?

eternally-gratefull · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

Will someone please let this person know as a pharisee Paul would have never admitted to lust, It is obvious paul had an issue with lust, if the law would have been able to stop him, paul would never had experienced an issue with lust, because as a pharisee

1. you do not admit sin
2. You are a morally righteous person, who has earned the right to be called Gods children.
3. you have done (as have legalism today) watered down the law. or followed a law watered down by your fathers, so you do not know you are really in sin (thus paul excused his coveting as a pharisee as right and not sin)

eternally-gratefull · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Amen sis, we also do not live in the fake and hollow life of legalism or religiosity. We see God as our true Abba Father, who loves us in spite of ourselves. And only wants what is good for us, And that makes us want to please him and experience his joy even more.

its when we get bound in legalism and performance based religion that our joy disapears. because we are so busy trying to be good, we can not see what God has in store for us and all we do (if we are honest) is keep failing to do what we work so hard to do)

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

PeterJens said:

Nooooo., John the Baptist needed a Savior too!! Just like Moses,David,Joshua,Danial,ABRAHAM., all of those guys and all of us guys!!! That is not an assumption Peter. For ALLLL have sinned and come short of the glory of God... not only some of us humans but ALLLL of us. If you are a human being you are a sinner in NEED of Jesus Christ. That is why the Gospel is the good news! He came to take our IMPUTED SIN TO GIVE US IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Take a look at the word "Imputation" in the dictionary. Read it in a Bible dictionary and commentary. Read about what it means to be in Adam and having his imputed sin stuck on us. Then Jesus came and took that imputed sin from us and IMPUTED HIS Righteousness on us. We did nothing to deserve the imputed righteousness we got., And Jesus did nothing to receive OUR imputed sin on Him so He could pay for it.

(Jesus was innocent and received our sin.... we were guilty and received Jesus righteousness)......wow

That is called by many the great EXCHANGE. When you get a revelation of THAT you will jump for joy., you like all of us who are beginning to understand this grace, will mount up with wings as eagles, you will run and not be weary., The Joy of the Lord will be your strength!!

When did you receive the Holy Spirit? Was there a time you accepted Jesus as your Savior from sin and death? Did you know that when you did the Holy Spirit came into you and sealed you and marked you as one of His? If you did not do this you need to. The Bible says in Romans 3:10-18

There is none that does good NO NOT ONE, There is not that seeks after God, all have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.

Their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they keep deceiving, The poison of asks is under their lips.
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.
Their feet are swift to shed blood,
Destruction and misery are in their paths,
And the path of peace have they not known.

And in vs.19-20 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law that EVERY MOUTH MAY BE CLOSED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD;
Because by the words of the Law NO FLESH WILL BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. That is US., we are that bad with that imputed sin., sin is that bad and needs to be ousted and God sent Jesus to do that for us when we receive Him as our personal Savior.

The law is good but it has no power to make anyone good., the law is right but it has no power to make anyone right..The law is perfect but it has NO POWER to make anyone perfect. The law only lets us know what sin is and what doing right is and that we don't have the power to do it. We need Jesus to fulfill the law in us and for us. This is GOOD NEWS!!!!

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Dear James57, When Paul was a pharisee he was religious and had his own self worth based on his religious performance. So much so that he could kill Christians in the name of God.

He thought he was right and not sinning. It didn't occur to him that he was evil.

He was a morally righteous person (so he thought) who figured he earned the right to be called one of God's own., a son of Father Abraham. But he righteousness's were as filthy rags... and like Romans 3:10-18 describes... his throat is an open grave..with his tongue he kept deceiving, AND the poison of ASPS (a snake) was under his lips... full of cursing and bitterness...swift to shed blood...destruction and misery was his path.... and the path of peace he did not know...

Paul realized this later and accepted Jesus on the road to Damascus.

Euphemia · Dec 15, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

The context of that verse is the salvation of the person. We are utterly forgiven at the point of faith and repentance.

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Paul the Pharisee would I am sure have kept the legalist law. He said when he was a Christian he faultlessly obeyed it as a Pharisee(Phil3:6)
I am sure he was convinced he perfectly obeyed the first nine of the Ten Commandments. But he would never have been able to convince himself he obeyed the tenth:

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour

I grew up trying to attain Heaven as Paul the Pharisee tried to attain it. As I have previously said, I wondered why Thou shalt not covet was one of the Ten Commandments, but it was that commandment, I could not hide from(though when I was growing up I did not see it that way, for as Grandpa said, what Paul wrote of in Rom 7 has to be spiritually discerned)
I would not have been burdened by the first nine commandments, nor legalistic commands(whatever legalistic commands I had at that age.) I went to church, tithed my money and was raised not to buy anything on a Sunday. But I could not hide from what thou shalt not covet entailed, neither can anyone else, it is just not possible.
Neither would it have been possible for Paul the Pharisee, the most ardent of Pharisees to hide from it.
If anyone thinks you can hide from thou shalt not covet, you simply do not understand what that particular commandment entailed. Paul the Pharisee knew what it entailed and it slew him, but he only saw the exact truth of it once he became a Christian. As I only saw what it had done to me once I understood grace.

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Hi Lynn

Thank you for your post to me, however, you have not answered my questions. Could you do so please.

When did the ten commandments come to Paul, as a Pharisee or as a Christian?
Only he said once the commandment came to him, he knew what lust was. When was this?

Did sin through the law arouse all manner of concupiscence in Paul the Pharisee or Paul the Christian? Or we can say. Did sin magnify in Paul the Pharisee or Paul the Christian?

Was Paul the Pharisee slain by sin, or was Paul the Christian slain by sin?

Thank you

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Dear James57, When Paul was a pharisee he was religious and had his own self worth based on his religious performance. So much so that he could kill Christians in the name of God.

He thought he was right and not sinning. It didn't occur to him that he was evil.

He was a morally righteous person (so he thought) who figured he earned the right to be called one of God's own., a son of Father Abraham. But he righteousness's were as filthy rags... and like Romans 3:10-18 describes... his throat is an open grave..with his tongue he kept deceiving, AND the poison of ASPS (a snake) was under his lips... full of cursing and bitterness...swift to shed blood...destruction and misery was his path.... and the path of peace he did not know...

Paul realized this later and accepted Jesus on the road to Damascus.

Lynn

I have eternally grateful on ignore. As that is the case, would you mind not writing a post to me with a post of his attached to it.

Thanks

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

James, read Phil.3:6 in context to what Paul was teaching. " the context of vv.2-3 a basic lesson which Paul as their teacher had undoubtedly gone over with them many times while with them; DO NOT LET CHRISTIANITY BE DEBASED INTO SOME FORM OF JEWISH RITUALISTIC RELIGION, obviously a danger then in Philippi.

Paul here becomes polemical. (controversial argument as against some opinion or doctrine). He labels the Judaizers who taught that circumcision was necessary for salvation. dogs.. a term they used to describe Gentiles, evil workers, and false circumcision., which meant mutilators. All three epithets are directed at the same people.

3:4-14 Paul reflected on the whole course of his life, which gave him the right to criticize false Judaism. Study Bible commentary.......

We all have come to a point where we tried to attain heaven and God's approval and did our religious righteous dance like Paul. Some more than others. Some could not hide from one more than another, yours just happen to be coveting. Some people have issues with lying and some with lust. But in reality we are all guilty of every one of them. (and just think, some have times and twinges of guilt but can't let go of the rest of how good they think they are so they make lite of their sin and compare themselves with others who are much worse sinners who murder etc..and come out looking good so they go on their merry way) unlike you and Paul.

The law was doing it's job in you as it did in Paul. But not enough until a certain time and then..... ZAPPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it happened to Paul and you..CONVICTION OF SIN. You both could go on no longer and fell to your knees in repentance. Paul got knocked off a horse and went blind.

We don't start to see how reallllly lousy we are until we are open to the Holy Spirit inside us revealing to us the uselessness of the flesh in making us righteous. Probably what makes for a good preacher. Then we learn about how we have the gift of no condemnation as we see how really horrible we were in our flesh. And we receive the forgiveness for allllll our sins past present and future that Jesus took care of on the cross.

That is why the gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought is so much better than the law., He not only forgives our sins, takes them allll away then He gives us the gift of HIS righteousness as our own identity. Sonship, we have a Mediator at all times so much so that He will bear the marks forever as a reminder that HE alone took our sins away. God sees us as sons and heirs with Christ. No condemnation and no wrath or judgement coming our way because it was all taken on Christ for us... That is so GREAT a SALVATION.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

I rest my case A hypocrite

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

James, read Phil.3:6 in context to what Paul was teaching. " the context of vv.2-3 a basic lesson which Paul as their teacher had undoubtedly gone over with them many times while with them; DO NOT LET CHRISTIANITY BE DEBASED INTO SOME FORM OF JEWISH RITUALISTIC RELIGION, obviously a danger then in Philippi.

Paul here becomes polemical. (controversial argument as against some opinion or doctrine). He labels the Judaizers who taught that circumcision was necessary for salvation. dogs.. a term they used to describe Gentiles, evil workers, and false circumcision., which meant mutilators. All three epithets are directed at the same people.

3:4-14 Paul reflected on the whole course of his life, which gave him the right to criticize false Judaism. Study Bible commentary.......

We all have come to a point where we tried to attain heaven and God's approval and did our religious righteous dance like Paul. Some more than others. Some could not hide from one more than another, yours just happen to be coveting. Some people have issues with lying and some with lust. But in reality we are all guilty of every one of them.

The law was doing it's job in you as it did in Paul. But not enough until a certain time and then..... ZAPPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it happened to Paul and you..CONVICTION OF SIN. You both could go on no longer and fell to your knees in repentance. Paul got knocked off a horse and went blind.

We don't start to see how reallllly lousy we are until we are open to the Holy Spirit inside us revealing to us the uselessness of the flesh in making us righteous. Probably what makes for a good preacher. Then we learn about how we have the gift of no condemnation as we see how really horrible we were in our flesh. And we receive the forgiveness for allllll our sins past present and future that Jesus took care of on the cross.

That is why the gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought is so much better than the law., He not only forgives our sins, takes them allll away then He gives us the gift of HIS righteousness as our own identity. Sonship, we have a Mediator at all times so much so that He will bear the marks forever as a reminder that HE alone took our sins away. God sees us as sons and heirs with Christ. No condemnation and no wrath or judgement coming our way because it was all taken on Christ for us... That is so GREAT a SALVATION.

I have read Phillipians 3:6 in context:

Paul states he could faultlessly obey the legalistic law as a Pharisee. The legalistic law was never the problem though was it.

I could not hide from thou shalt not covet when I tried to obtain heaven under the law. No one can. I was zaaaped by sin when I tried to attain Heaven under the law
Lust is coveting. That is why thou shalt not covet revealed lust in Paul

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

Oh I didn't know, sorry James57. Was so happy typing along and copying commentary and in being reminded of grace for me personally that I didn't notice you guys were not speaking. I'm very selfish at this moment.

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Not at all, you didn't know. Can you please answer my questions Lynn that I have put up

Many thanks

eternally-gratefull · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Hey sis, We are talking, well one way, He is the one ignoring, because he did not like being confronted.

Funny how he is demanding you answer a question for him, yet when I did the very same thing, he put me on ignore.

As I said, A hypocrite.

Thats why I asked you to call him, out with what I was saying, and you did, Thank you.

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

We all have come to a point where we tried to attain heaven and God's approval and did our religious righteous dance like Paul. Some more than others. Some could not hide from one more than another, yours just happen to be coveting. Some people have issues with lying and some with lust. But in reality we are all guilty of every one of them. (and just think, some have times and twinges of guilt but can't let go of the rest of how good they think they are so they make lite of their sin and compare themselves with others who are much worse sinners who murder etc..and come out looking good so they go on their merry way) unlike you and Paul.

The law was doing it's job in you as it did in Paul. But not enough until a certain time and then..... ZAPPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it happened to Paul and you..CONVICTION OF SIN. We don't start to see how reallllly lousy we are until we are open to the Holy Spirit inside us revealing to us the uselessness of the flesh in making us righteous. Probably what makes for a good preacher. Then we learn about how we have the gift of no condemnation as we see how really horrible we were in our flesh. And we receive the forgiveness for allllll our sins past present and future that Jesus took care of on the cross.

That is why the gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought is so much better than the law., He not only forgives our sins, takes them allll away then He gives us the gift of HIS righteousness as our own identity. Sonship, we have a Mediator at all times so much so that He will bear the marks forever as a reminder that HE alone took our sins away. God sees us as sons and heirs with Christ. No condemnation and no wrath or judgement coming our way because it was all taken on Christ for us... That is so GREAT a SALVATION.

Were you convicted of sin before you knew of Grace? Yes! you have told me you were, so is everyone else.

What do you mean the law was doing its job in me and Paul-then zap

The law reveals sin. How can you believe the law was doing its job in Paul the Pharisee at all if you claim as a Pharisee he considered himself sinless, that is not possible

PeterJens · Dec 15, 2015

ladylynn said:

Interesting. I am not saying we come to Jesus as righteous. Why would you suggest that is what I am saying?
I think you have some serious doctrinal problems, and want to paint me into a corner which I am not in.

The question is what is walking in righteousness. I would hold it is walking with Jesus in maturity.
We start as sinners, who have failed, admitted our failure and turned from sin. We are empowered by Jesus's love and transformed by that love working in our hearts.

You seem to want to say walking with Jesus takes no effort, or sacrifice or choice. I say this because as soon as I mention cost, work, you say that is self. As everything we do, is by definition self, breathing, thinking, talking, typing, it is absurd to take the position and language you are taking. You language fits the theology but is just fantasy.

Let me put it simply. The Lord convicts me to speak to a brother. Who is doing the speaking? I am. Who inspired the action? The Lord. But somehow you have mixed righteousness, and sin, redemption and sanctification all together.

So to address is righteousness a gift? The gift is to be counted as righteous through repentance and Jesus's sacrifice.
In a sense it is impossible to do the right thing separate from Jesus, but we are walking in righteousness.
All the honour and glory goes to Him, it is not ours, for without Him we are lost, blind and empty.

The problem seems to be to suggest we can walk righteously at all. But if we cannot we have no victory in the cross. I can only think you are so far from walking in righteousness your conscience condemns you all the time. I would suggest your conscience is too active, and it is not me who has any problems.

You guys also speak in such certain terms with little grace. You condemn me as walking in my own strength. I would suggest you do not know how to walk in Jesus's strength or love. I love because Jesus loved me and opened up my love so it cannot be hurt anymore. It is He who defends my soul. So why do you accuse me of sin if God does not hold me guilty?

What sin have I commited? I challenge you that you deny we can walk in victory by the Holy Spirit and you continue to live in sin that binds you into slavery. By your own admission you have failed to be victorious, and call me a hypocrite by saying you can walk in victory. So what is your sin and defeat. Confess and repent and walk in forgiveness that God delivers to our hearts.

If you have no sin to confess, then you deny the reality you have already achieved. So however you stand, you do not know the gospel which you claim to confess. I find this odd because the language appears to be their yet you want to make me your enemy. But if I walk with Jesus, in the simplicity of His word, where are you?

Grace777x70 · Dec 15, 2015

Beware of the "straw-man".

ladylynn · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

James, Paul THOUGHT IN HIS HUMAN SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS that he faultlessly obeyed the legalistic law as a Pharisee. He understands the hearts of those who are SELF RIGHTEOUS because HE was the KING OF SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS. lol... He knew better than anyone how self righteousness can blind someone to their need for Jesus and truth.

Paul found out that he was guilty of failing in ALL of the 10 commandments and then some as his heart was dark and full of sin. He had an outward righteousness that was painted white and looking good., but his inner self was full of death. But he didn't know that at the time. He walked in his self righteousness believing he kept alllll those commandments.

And don't say 'no one can' Millions of people have and died without Christ because they could not accept they were THAT bad. And millions more will also die without Christ unless they hear the Good News of the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought.

Self righteousness and human pride are not easily killed. Especially for those very smart individuals who are self righteous to the point of not even believing there is a God. They have always managed on their own without God and accumulated world wide fame and applause from other people... But many of them commit suicide because in all their intellect.,, they needed more.

God put a hole in our hearts (sort of speak) for a need of Him., and many can run from it but are not all very happy humans., and satan also adds to the blindness by using human reason and unbelief and pride of life. They have no place to go... they won't accept there is a God yet they can't say they are happy content people and can't understand why they are not. So many kill themselves to end the emotional hurt. But they WON'T BELIEVE .

You couldn't hide, I couldn't hide., EG couldn't hide, Paul couldn't hide... but there are many who will and who have. We are not all the same people. Some will not believe.

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