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Lol!You made a pat (and patently absurd statement). I made a good point. Do you want to venture into a rabbit hole with it? Do you posses godly wisdom? Do you not appreciate how wonderful and valuable it is to the believer? Try sitting back and absorbing what has been said to you these past several pages. Ask the Lord to penetrate your defenses and open your spiritual eyes tovthe truth, and help you dismantle your false, human perception, discard it, and receive with joy the truth about dear Paul.
What a wonderful sounding statement
However, you could not address the points placed before you could you. You had no answer to them, which isn't surprising for all you did was make contradiction after contradiction. At least I addressed your points
And yet you gave been keen to stress you understand the gospel, rom 7&8 and I do not
Oh well
However, you could not address the points placed before you could you. You had no answer to them, which isn't surprising for all you did was make contradiction after contradiction. At least I addressed your points
And yet you gave been keen to stress you understand the gospel, rom 7&8 and I do not
Oh well
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Well if such a thing as an unbiased observer is viewing Thi conversation they will clearly see you haven't a clue as to how to respond to points put to you, just come out with pat statements
No substance I am afraid. I imagined as such when you were so keen to stress how well you understood Paul's gospel
No substance I am afraid. I imagined as such when you were so keen to stress how well you understood Paul's gospel
Language matters. Let me put two scenarios. Someone walks in the Spirit and does not sin. They maybe tempted but as far as their conscious is telling them, they walk in holiness. Sin is not an issue, their focus is on the Lord, serving needs as they come up.
Another walks in the aspirations of spiritual maturity. Though they want to walk in deep fellowship, the are beset with worries and failure, often dropping into envy, lust, covetousness, occasionally lying, flirting. In their heart they feel is with Jesus but something is wrong. They are conscious of sin, yet cannot quite put their finger on it.
Now for them to not be sin conscious would be a lie, and if they stay where they are they will fall away, because they are denying the very faith they claim to follow.
To the first person, sin consciousness helps confirm their walk in the Lord, it keeps them true. Now many would deny this is even possible, but it appear Paul and the apostles would say this is their walk in the Spirit.
The second person is blinded by this concept of lack of sin consciousness. For them the step of transformation they need to take has been taken away. It plays to the lie that this world has real value, that you are measured by your wealth or influence. It also gives them reassurance they have arrived when the journey is still to come.
So rather than being helpful it is a lie of the enemy. Sin is death, it destroys everything it touches. Only slaves who fear the prison of sin need to invent such a concept and it is a license to ignore besetting failure in peoples lives. But for those who have given up already, who cannot abandon Christ yet their lives feel empty it is like salvation.
Jesus talked about evil doers, so this is what we must never be a part of.
Another walks in the aspirations of spiritual maturity. Though they want to walk in deep fellowship, the are beset with worries and failure, often dropping into envy, lust, covetousness, occasionally lying, flirting. In their heart they feel is with Jesus but something is wrong. They are conscious of sin, yet cannot quite put their finger on it.
Now for them to not be sin conscious would be a lie, and if they stay where they are they will fall away, because they are denying the very faith they claim to follow.
To the first person, sin consciousness helps confirm their walk in the Lord, it keeps them true. Now many would deny this is even possible, but it appear Paul and the apostles would say this is their walk in the Spirit.
The second person is blinded by this concept of lack of sin consciousness. For them the step of transformation they need to take has been taken away. It plays to the lie that this world has real value, that you are measured by your wealth or influence. It also gives them reassurance they have arrived when the journey is still to come.
So rather than being helpful it is a lie of the enemy. Sin is death, it destroys everything it touches. Only slaves who fear the prison of sin need to invent such a concept and it is a license to ignore besetting failure in peoples lives. But for those who have given up already, who cannot abandon Christ yet their lives feel empty it is like salvation.
Jesus talked about evil doers, so this is what we must never be a part of.
This is what I grasp. Some people come onto the internet flushed with what they think they know. But it is all in their mind, their ego.
You haven't addressed anything put before you, just made contradictions
So all you can do is make pat statements and criticising me
I suppose you have to deflect somehow from your inability to address the points made
You haven't addressed anything put before you, just made contradictions
So all you can do is make pat statements and criticising me
I suppose you have to deflect somehow from your inability to address the points made
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Behaviour
The discussion here has been about aspiration, desiring to walk following Jesus, with his heart and failure.
Now as christians we aspire to great things but are aware how far our understanding and hearts are from this goal.
Our faith seems to say in simple terms, believe in Jesus and it will work out. Actually it says obey, do what you are commanded. If you believe in Jesus you will do what he commanded.
But the reality is people like the reward, eternal life but are stiff necked and doing is just too sacrificial.
For some they are just unaware of their failure because starting again, being born again never truly occured.
In this world of pride and self fulfillment everything is fine except the nagging failures which tell the lie to the whole process. To these people ignoring the doubt and saying it is from the enemy is the answer. You have arrived though actually a hypocrite, your conscience is seared, blunted and made irrelevant. This grieves the Holy Spirit and is a denial of the cross, and testifies to failure and an empty gospel.
Would talking about emotions help? Yes, but that is not christian. Again another lie. Jesus is about truth within, reality, being consistent in every circumstance. But for those who want to maintain where they are, truth and change are not their goal, only reassurance they have arrived.
The discussion here has been about aspiration, desiring to walk following Jesus, with his heart and failure.
Now as christians we aspire to great things but are aware how far our understanding and hearts are from this goal.
Our faith seems to say in simple terms, believe in Jesus and it will work out. Actually it says obey, do what you are commanded. If you believe in Jesus you will do what he commanded.
But the reality is people like the reward, eternal life but are stiff necked and doing is just too sacrificial.
For some they are just unaware of their failure because starting again, being born again never truly occured.
In this world of pride and self fulfillment everything is fine except the nagging failures which tell the lie to the whole process. To these people ignoring the doubt and saying it is from the enemy is the answer. You have arrived though actually a hypocrite, your conscience is seared, blunted and made irrelevant. This grieves the Holy Spirit and is a denial of the cross, and testifies to failure and an empty gospel.
Would talking about emotions help? Yes, but that is not christian. Again another lie. Jesus is about truth within, reality, being consistent in every circumstance. But for those who want to maintain where they are, truth and change are not their goal, only reassurance they have arrived.