I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.

[posthuman]

1 Timothy 3:16 NASB20 - Beyond question, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Byzantine majority text:

 

[Cameron143]

Interesting. Wasn't Jesus given His name after He was born?

He was named Jesus at His birth. But that doesn't preclude His previous existence or that He didn't have many other names.

 

[posthuman]

I don't know what you mean.

yes, that's what's getting you all this attention.

Who existed before the beginning?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Byzantine majority text:


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Thanks. What is the word for godliness?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

He was named Jesus at His birth. But that doesn't preclude His previous existence or that He didn't have many other names.

I don't know what you are referring to.

 

[posthuman]

Yes.

He was in the beginning with God.

If that is correct.

And was God, from the beginning

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

yes, that's what's getting you all this attention.

Who existed before the beginning?

I don't know. I only know John 17:5 to that.

 

[posthuman]

Thanks. What is the word for godliness?

εὐσεβείας

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

And was God, from the beginning

It does depend on how you read it, but I follow that.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

εὐσεβείας

Okay. Thanks. Are there other texts or manuscripts rather?

 

[posthuman]

I don't know. I only know John 17:5 to that.

The only One Who exists before time is tge creator of time, of all things.

and in John 17:5 Christ clearly states that He not only exists before time but that He has all the glory of God before anything is created.

hence uncreated, hence the Creator, hence God Himself.

 

[Cameron143]

I don't know what you are referring to.

It's simple. The names of God reveal something of God's character, or intentions, or actions. God has many names that have been revealed over time. Jesus is one of them. So is Emmanuel which means God with us. Who is called Emmanuel?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jacob, did you just buy a Bible or given one and just began reading it. and how the Books, Chapters, Verses all read to you, it just makes sense to you that Jesus is not God?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The only One Who exists before time is tge creator of time, of all things.

and in John 17:5 Christ clearly states that He not only exists before time but that He has all the glory of God before anything is created.

hence uncreated, hence the Creator, hence God Himself.

Not as I see it. I believe that there was a separate individual besides God. I don't consider myself to be God even though God created me, certainly.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

It's simple. The names of God reveal something of God's character, or intentions, or actions. God has many names that have been revealed over time. Jesus is one of them. So is Emmanuel which means God with us. Who is called Emmanuel?

What does the text say? I don't follow with what you are saying.

 

[posthuman]

Okay. Thanks. Are there other texts or manuscripts rather?

You want to find the ones you like, and accept them on the basis of your liking them?

yup, thousands.

plenty of options to form your own religion

 

[Cameron143]

What does the text say? I don't follow with what you are saying.

Emmanuel refers to Jesus.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Jacob, did you just buy a Bible or given one and just began reading it. and how the Books, Chapters, Verses all read to you, it just makes sense to you that Jesus is not God?

Yes.

I realize that there are different translations. I am a person that wants to see the originals but only copies exist so that will suffice. I simply do not know Greek.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

You want to find the ones you like, and accept them on the basis of your liking them?

yup, thousands.

speaking of thousands, the Godhood of Christ was never questioned by the church. even the early Arian heretics accepted that He should be worshipped as God not denying His deity but thinking He was created by God to be God.

I don't accept the Arians. I don't accept Christianity and the Trinity and dispensationalism, etc....

I look for what makes sense. If all texts say the same thing then it may be that there is no disagreement that can be made.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Emmanuel refers to Jesus.

Okay.