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posthuman

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JacobMartinMertens said:
Not as I see it. I believe that there was a separate individual besides God. I don't consider myself to be God even though God created me, certainly.
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where did another individual distinct from God existing before anything was created come from?
 
The_Watchers_2017

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JacobMartinMertens said:
Yes.

I realize that there are different translations. I am a person that wants to see the originals but only copies exist so that will suffice. I simply do not know Greek.
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it's ok man. i only believe what i understand. i think in time you will see things in a more unique view. do you ask the Father, in Jesus Name, to have the Holy Spirit give you understanding before you read your Bible? try that and see if even things we're not discussing now change up for you in meaning.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't accept the Arians. I don't accept Christianity and the Trinity and dispensationalism, etc....

I look for what makes sense. If all texts say the same thing then it may be that there is no disagreement that can be made.
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all versions of John 1:1 say God was the Word.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't accept the Arians. I don't accept Christianity and the Trinity and dispensationalism, etc....

I look for what makes sense. If all texts say the same thing then it may be that there is no disagreement that can be made.
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in all versions of Zechariah 12:10 YHVH says it is He Himself Who was pierced by Israel.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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posthuman said:
where did another individual distinct from God existing before anything was created come from?
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John 17:5. That is how I know. Unless it is like Jesus being slain before the world was but Jesus dying at the right time such that it was not actually at or before the beginning that it happened, just for the future that it would.
 
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posthuman said:
in all versions of Zechariah 12:10 YHVH says it is He Himself Who was pierced by Israel.
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Zechariah 12:10 NASB20 - "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't accept the Arians. I don't accept Christianity and the Trinity and dispensationalism, etc....

I look for what makes sense. If all texts say the same thing then it may be that there is no disagreement that can be made.
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in all versions of Isaiah 43:11 YHWH declares that He alone is The Saviour and that there is absolutely no other Saviour but Himself.

in all versions of the NT Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone is declared to be the only Saviour and absolutely no other Saviour but Him.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Zechariah 12:10 NASB20 - "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
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YHWH is speaking.
He says "ME whom they pierced"

Zechariah 12:10 100% identifies Christ as God Himself, having become flesh and laying down His life for His obstinate, wicked bride.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
it's ok man. i only believe what i understand. i think in time you will see things in a more unique view. do you ask the Father, in Jesus Name, to have the Holy Spirit give you understanding before you read your Bible? try that and see if even things we're not discussing now change up for you in meaning.
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I have read the Bible. Now I discuss it. I read sometimes. But I study with others. Kind of. Studying with you right now. I just accept what I read. If there is a difference I try not to make a doctrine out of it.
 
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posthuman said:
in all versions of Isaiah 43:11 YHWH declares that He alone is The Saviour and that there is absolutely no other Saviour but Himself.

in all versions of the NT Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone is declared to be the only Saviour and absolutely no other Saviour but Him.
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Isaiah 43:11 NASB20 - "I, [only] I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Zechariah 12:10 NASB20 - "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
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Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
Zechariah 12:10 NASB20 - "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
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Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.

Zechariah 12:10 BBE - And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I have read the Bible. Now I discuss it. I read sometimes. But I study with others. Kind of. Studying with you right now. I just accept what I read. If there is a difference I try not to make a doctrine out of it.
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and this is what i have thought all along. and how you believe, caused me to think in different terms because normally someone who rejects Jesus, does it by being a Member of certain Churches. but you do it because you read the Bible, and this is what all those words mean to you. and you see no reason to change.

have you been filled with Holy Spirit and Water Baptized in a Church?
 
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posthuman said:
YHWH is speaking.
He says "ME whom they pierced"

Zechariah 12:10 100% identifies Christ as God Himself, having become flesh and laying down His life for His obstinate, wicked bride.
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Abraham also said God would provide Himself a lamb.
 
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