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So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. Post 1264

The above is offensive to you? I have said we have the law in us, not the word of God/the whole bible in us. So I have not said we do not need to read the bible per se have I. If you are going to comment on my posts, please quote them accurately

Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and ye shall bind them for a sign upon your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes.

The apostasy is when believers leave the word of God. Instead of the church being something practical that you can touch with your hand it is the "spiritual church". Many Bible verses are said to be "out of date". The arrogance is off the charts. 90% of the people who attend church don't know the word of God but teachings like this give them the excuse. They don't need to bind that word to their hand and as frontlets before their eyes, no they magically have them on their heart.

How exactly does God write His laws on our heart?

Romans 10:17 So faith cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You have to hear the word of God spoken to get faith. This doesn't mean you have to listen to a sermon, you can read the word and have the logos become the Rhema. So what the apostasy does, what Balaam teaches, is you don't need that word of God.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It is not good enough to "do them" you must also teach them. You are teaching that since the laws are written on our heart we don't need to "fixate" on those that are written down! That is a gobbledygook way of saying we don't need to teach them.

 

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Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and ye shall bind them for a sign upon your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes.

The apostasy is when believers leave the word of God. Instead of the church being something practical that you can touch with your hand it is the "spiritual church". Many Bible verses are said to be "out of date". The arrogance is off the charts. 90% of the people who attend church don't know the word of God but teachings like this give them the excuse. They don't need to bind that word to their hand and as frontlets before their eyes, no they magically have them on their heart.

How exactly does God write His laws on our heart?

Romans 10:17 So faith cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You have to hear the word of God spoken to get faith. This doesn't mean you have to listen to a sermon, you can read the word and have the logos become the Rhema. So what the apostasy does, what Balaam teaches, is you don't need that word of God.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It is not good enough to "do them" you must also teach them. You are teaching that since the laws are written on our heart we don't need to "fixate" on those that are written down! That is a gobbledygook way of saying we don't need to teach them.

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15

You need to be less offended by the new covenant

 

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(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15

You need to be less offended by the new covenant

OK, let's try reading the New Covenant.

16 But they did not all hearken to the glad tidings. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18 But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily,

Their sound went out into all the earth,
And their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith,

I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation,
With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.
20 And Isaiah is very bold, and saith,

I was found of them that sought me not;
I became manifest unto them that asked not of me.
21 But as to Israel he saith, All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

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OK, let's try reading the New Covenant.

16 But they did not all hearken to the glad tidings. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18 But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily,

Their sound went out into all the earth,
And their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith,

I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation,
With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.
20 And Isaiah is very bold, and saith,

I was found of them that sought me not;
I became manifest unto them that asked not of me.
21 But as to Israel he saith, All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Immaterial to the law being within you under the new covenant, try and stay on topic

 

[ResidentAlien]

SDAs say the Ten Commandments are universal and apply to everyone in all times. Of course they have to say this because if they keep the 4th commandment they must also keep all ten.

We can learn from the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, but making them law like SDAs do is un-Christian. The Ten Commandments were part of the old covenant just as much as any of the rest.

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone."—Deuteronomy 4:13

 

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SDAs say the Ten Commandments are universal and apply to everyone in all times. Of course they have to say this because if they keep the 4th commandment they must also keep all ten.

We can learn from the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, but making them law like SDAs do is un-Christian. The Ten Commandments were part of the old covenant just as much as any of the rest.

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone."—Deuteronomy 4:13

I don't understand how what you quoted them saying is any different from what Jesus said in Matt 5:19

What is the difference between "learn from the moral principles of the ten commandments" and Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Which says we should keep and teach them?

 

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We can learn from the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, but making them law like SDAs do is un-Christian. The Ten Commandments were part of the old covenant just as much as any of the rest.

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone."—Deuteronomy 4:13

Wow, what a major false teaching!

Matthew 5:18-19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

We are not justified by keeping the law, on the contrary we are condemned by not keeping it. Doesn't matter old or new covenant. Even unbelievers understand you don't murder, you don't steal, you don't commit adultery, you honor your father and mother. These are universal laws that will not pass away.

The difference is that we are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ, we are empowered by the Spirit to fulfill the law. The New Covenant doesn't do away with the Law it fulfills it.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

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What did the New Covenant replace?

When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.

The Old Covenant was like a picture book that we give to young children. We have outgrow the picture book, but the lesson is still appropriate for the New Covenant. This picture of us being priests entering into the Holy place and the Holy of Holies and showing us that the way into the most Holy place was not disclosed until Jesus was crucified, dead, buried, and then rose from the dead.

This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.

This is what has been done away. We don't offer the blood of bulls and goats, we offer the blood of Jesus. We still have a sacrifice for sin, that has not changed, only we have replaced the ineffective blood with the effectual offering.

They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

These ceremonial outward regulations have been done away with in the New Covenant. Again, sin, and a sacrifice for sin have not been done away.

When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

The Old Covenant was trying to obtain redemption and all they got was a one year reprieve each year. The Lord obtained an eternal redemption. This is the difference.

The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! (Hebrews 9:6-14).

So the Old Testament was a picture book of how we needed to be cleansed by the blood. We now have the reality of that we don't need the pictures of goats and bulls and ashes. But we still need to have our conscience cleansed from acts that lead to death. What acts? Obviously, those acts that violate the ten commandments for one.

 

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Martin Luther addressed this issue in his commentary on Romans, “Those cannot preach the divine Word and be messengers of God whom He has not sent and to whom He has not entrusted His Word.” Explaining the verse 10:15 “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace” Luther writes, “The word ‘beautiful’ stand for purity, for they (that preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tiding of good things) do not proclaim the Gospel for their own advantage or on account of vain glory, as this happens here and there today. They preach solely from obedience to God and for the sake of the salvation of their hearers. But the Hebrew word means also what is lovely and pleasant. Therefore, the meaning of the expression is: ‘For those who are under the Law, the message of the Gospel is lovely and desirable. The Law indeed reveals sin, makes the sinner guilty, and fills his conscience with fear; the Gospel, however, proclaims to those who have been terrified the desired healing”

 

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The New Covenant is not new its the old one renewed.

 

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The New Covenant is not new its the old one renewed.

Hebrews 8:13: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Hebrews 9:15: "And on account of this He is the Mediator of the new covenant,"

2 Corinthians 4:6: "who also has made us efficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive."

Luke 22:20: "Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.' "

 

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Hebrews 8:13: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Hebrews 9:15: "And on account of this He is the Mediator of the new covenant,"

2 Corinthians 4:6: "who also has made us efficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive."

Luke 22:20: "Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.' "

John 15:12 This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.

A covenant involves conditions that both sides must keep. The new covenant has a new commandment that we love one another even as Jesus has loved us. That is far higher than the requirements of the Old Covenant.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law.

Paul makes it very clear that this law to love one another encompasses all of the commandments about not working ill to your neighbor. The law that we are to keep and fulfill in the New Covenant is higher than the Old Covenant.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Which is what the Lord says very clearly right here.

 

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Hebrews 8:13: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Hebrews 9:15: "And on account of this He is the Mediator of the new covenant,"

2 Corinthians 4:6: "who also has made us efficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive."

Luke 22:20: "Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.' "

the word used was kainos new in quality but not as far as never existing, they would have used neos for that so essentially the new covenant is just the old covenant changed since it does say that he will write it in our hearts that's all that changed.

STRONGS G2537:
καινός, καινή, καινόν (from Aeschylus and Herodotus down); the Sept. for חָדָשׁ; new, i. e.
a. as respects form; recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn (opposed to παλαιός old, antiquated): as ἀσκός, Matthew 9:11; Mark 2:22 (T omits; Tr WH brackets the clause); Luke 5:38 ἱμάτιον, Luke 5:36; πλήρωμα, Mark 2:21; μνημεῖον, Matthew 27:60; with ἐν ᾧ οὐδέπω οὐδείς ἐτέθη added, John 19:41; καινά καί παλαιά, Matthew 13:52; new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds: διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13; Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 (Jer. 31:31)); καινοί οὐρανοί, καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17; Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία, πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάντα ποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition, Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.
b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34; 1 John 2:7; 2 John 1:5; ὄνομα, with the added explanation ὁ οὐδείς οἶδεν (ἔγνω Rec.), Revelation 2:17 (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15); ᾠδή, Revelation 5:9; Revelation 14:3 (Psalm 143:9 (Ps. 144:9); ὕμνος, Isaiah 42:10; ᾆσμα, Psalm 32:3 (Ps. 33:3); Psalms 39:4 (Ps. 40:4), etc.); λέγειν τί καί (ἤ L T Tr WH) ἀκούειν καινότερον, Acts 17:21 (newer namely, than that which is already; (cf. Winer's Grammar, 244 (228f))); κτίσις, Galatians 6:15; καινά τά πάντα, all things are new, previously non-existent, begin to be far different from what they were before, 2 Corinthians 5:17 (L T Tr WH omit τά πάντα); μηκέτι οὔσης τῆς ἀνομίας, καινων δέ γεγονότων πάντων ὑπό κυρίου, the Epistle of Barnabas 15, 7 [ET]. γλῶσσαι (see γλῶσσα, 2): Mark 16:17 (Tr text WH text omit; Tr marginal reading brackets καινων)

 

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What does the New Covenant Say?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

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A friend on CC who also goes to SDA Church shared this video with me, I found it to be such a blessing.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I posted 2 Corinthians 4:6 but it's actually 3:6. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[ResidentAlien]

the word used was kainos new in quality but not as far as never existing, they would have used neos for that so essentially the new covenant is just the old covenant changed since it does say that he will write it in our hearts that's all that changed.

I agree the new covenant is new in quality but it's more that a renewal of the old one. That's why the writer of Hebrews said: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

I don't know where your heading with this, but we're not under the law—period.

 

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I agree the new covenant is new in quality but it's more that a renewal of the old one. That's why the writer of Hebrews said: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

I don't know where your heading with this, but we're not under the law—period.

I simply made a statement

 

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I agree the new covenant is new in quality but it's more that a renewal of the old one. That's why the writer of Hebrews said: "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

I don't know where your heading with this, but we're not under the law—period.

We are not under the law but that is not because the law has been done away with, the Lord said that not one jot or tittle has been done away and He said our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees.

We stand before the seat of Mercy, the Angels are watching, they can see the ten commandments inside the ark, but above that there is a golden covering that is covered with the Lord's blood. So yes, the ten commandments are still there but it is the Lord's blood that has raised us up so that we are not under the law. When the accuser of the brethren accuses us what do you think he accuses us of? The Lord doesn't say we overcome because the law has been done away with, we overcome because of the blood of the lamb has paid the price in full.

 

[unelie]

If we would but be like God commands and allow the Holy Spirit to mold us we would have NO need for divisions nor denominations! This is OUR promise!

Amen !!!!!!