I am saved yet i sinned is this forgiveable?

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homwardbound

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John 8:11

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[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
and this was before the new covenant before the death, and the repentance to not want to sin and Jesus even saying this if I were her I would not want to sin again either, but to my amazement I would have as I am sure she did too as I am sure we all do being committed to not sin we sin all the more and this was
Galatians 6:8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
And have we not yet realised that even if we sow (think) about flesh in not wanting to sin we just continue do we all not?
Anyway in the new covenant we are purged from even thinking about sin seeing things from God's vantage point where in his sight he took it away at the cross so that he can give you a new life in him freed from Law and just praising him all the day long. Yes we are freed to be and receive the unnatural love in 1 cor 13
 

tribesman

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You are not saved if you are sinning willfully against God...
Have you escaped? Or are you still in bondage to your flesh, producing bad fruit unto death!Tommy
And this said by a man who teaches grave heresies and another gospel. Heresy is a work of the flesh. It is written that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God (Gal.5:19-21).
 

tribesman

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I am saved yet i sinned is this forgiveable?
Don't listen to Tommy4Delusion. Of course you can be forgiven. If you are saved, you belong to God. Yet repentance is necessary, so is a willingness to forsake sin.
 
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Actually Kenisyes it was written from John on the Island of Patmos to a Christian Pastor taht had written John to straighten out heresy that had been occuring in their place of meeting together. The group was gnositcs made of gnostics and christians.
This is why 1John starts out the way it does confirming that Jesus actually was here in the fleshfor they ate with him, they drank with him they touched him.
Now these gnostice did not believe that Jesus came in the flesh since all flesh is evil and since they claimed belief in Jesus as an apparition they were not born of the flesh so they did not have a sin nature. Thid letter was for them to be straightened out.
Okay let's sat you were one of them and you changed your mind and agreed to this truth, after receiving this truth where does it say anywhere that we are to continue asking for this and better yet where is there anywhere in the new Testament after the death of Christ that any Disciple asked for any further forgiveness it is not there anywhere. Christ died once and for all at the cross and we all are before anyone here was ever born already by God forgiven and this is at the cross
Loving you into the truth the truth that sets one free
So on and what with and what forth. Why did Paul spend so much time on the law of sin that kept him captive while speaking to the church. Romans 7 is his testimony to the church and when the commandment came sin revived and held him CAPTIVE. Then,(Romans 8) he replaced his focus of faith on the cross and rested in Him.
 

crossnote

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Yuo just said it is done and it is not substitutionatry it is done and there is no more sacrifice and no more shedding of blood he did it once and for all, just not all have come to belief in this yet and see this truth yet
I think you meant 'it is substitutionary' which is what I meant.
 

crossnote

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How foolish. Of course it does. What matters more? Giving a vague scripture reference based off your own ideas about her problem, or actually talking her through the problem? Its just like when Jesus told the scribes and pharisees that they make the Kingdom of God of none effect by their tradition. People nowadays throw out scripture like its magic. You can take the time to write out common place christian talk but cant make the time to actually TRY to help someone?? Whats more important. The actual well-being of others, or proving to yourself your own hypocrisy?

You had mine as well say that your faith is dead.
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A word of wisdom my friend. When you take the time to edify others, you'll edify yourself. You can't help people get the plank out of their eye until you get yours out first.

Godbless.
You make the Word of God non effect through your psychology which by the way is man's tradition. God's Word is universal with a universal remedy for sin. No need for making people feel they have to air dirty laundry on a public forum...that is for pastoral counseling one on one.
 
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and this was before the new covenant before the death, and the repentance to not want to sin and Jesus even saying this if I were her I would not want to sin again either, but to my amazement I would have as I am sure she did too as I am sure we all do being committed to not sin we sin all the more and this was
Galatians 6:8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
And have we not yet realised that even if we sow (think) about flesh in not wanting to sin we just continue do we all not?
Anyway in the new covenant we are purged from even thinking about sin seeing things from God's vantage point where in his sight he took it away at the cross so that he can give you a new life in him freed from Law and just praising him all the day long. Yes we are freed to be and receive the unnatural love in 1 cor 13
You say “freed from law”. You talk of all we receive, but with nothing of our part in receiving it.

I sit in church with many people, wonderful giving caring people by the way, who love the Lord and have the Holy Spirit. Mary is a teen who feels sure the older people do not understand her. Mike decided to divorce his wife. She is devastated. Marcie is sure that Janice is teaching wrong things in her Sunday School Class. Ron has a problem with alcohol. They love the Lord, where is the “freed to receive the unnatural love”? These things are making them miserable.

I think that the law is of God, it expresses God’s love for us. It is the road to freedom. If we are freed from it, we are freed from God. It is possible to be free from ceremonial law and still have God, but not the law that is rooted in love, that is part of God. God gives to us freely,it isn’t something we earn through doing. But if we don’t prepare ourselves properly we can’t receive it. It cannot be given to a nature deep in sin without repentance.

I agree with bringing out that God gives the Holy Spirit,we can choose to be guided by that spirit, it is a miracle and a great blessing. I agree we have a forgiving God who gave us His Son, and His time on the cross completed wonderful things. I agree God welcomes all sinners with open arms. But I do not agree that we don’t have to fully cooperate with God.

 

homwardbound

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So on and what with and what forth. Why did Paul spend so much time on the law of sin that kept him captive while speaking to the church. Romans 7 is his testimony to the church and when the commandment came sin revived and held him CAPTIVE. Then,(Romans 8) he replaced his focus of faith on the cross and rested in Him.
yes by keeping fixed on ther Spirit in thought oyu follow the Spirit and against such is no law Galatians 5
 

homwardbound

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I think you meant 'it is substitutionary' which is what I meant.
he took that Law into his own being and died with that Law burying it in the ground dead and we are to do the same and be in the Spirit, He yes died in oiur place if that is what you mean which now i see yes waht you mean and yes I agree
 

homwardbound

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You say “freed from law”. You talk of all we receive, but with nothing of our part in receiving it.

I sit in church with many people, wonderful giving caring people by the way, who love the Lord and have the Holy Spirit. Mary is a teen who feels sure the older people do not understand her. Mike decided to divorce his wife. She is devastated. Marcie is sure that Janice is teaching wrong things in her Sunday School Class. Ron has a problem with alcohol. They love the Lord, where is the “freed to receive the unnatural love”? These things are making them miserable.

I think that the law is of God, it expresses God’s love for us. It is the road to freedom. If we are freed from it, we are freed from God. It is possible to be free from ceremonial law and still have God, but not the law that is rooted in love, that is part of God. God gives to us freely,it isn’t something we earn through doing. But if we don’t prepare ourselves properly we can’t receive it. It cannot be given to a nature deep in sin without repentance.

I agree with bringing out that God gives the Holy Spirit,we can choose to be guided by that spirit, it is a miracle and a great blessing. I agree we have a forgiving God who gave us His Son, and His time on the cross completed wonderful things. I agree God welcomes all sinners with open arms. But I do not agree that we don’t have to fully cooperate with God.

I nbever said that we do not fully cooperate with God by Belief in the finshed work we trust and fully sooperate like Abraham and Noah and Paul did we thus also do, been an alcoholic,druggie smoker, womanizer and been released by being freed from the letterof the Law that kills released unto the linerty of Love God's Love 1 Cor13 received in the new life by God, but it still is GHod's love I just got as well you get to use it as a gift ah how wonderful, I Just finalized the cross and stopped asking God to continmuously forgive and agreed with God that it is done nad life came to me and allthose thimgs were lifted offf of me
 
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if you sincerely ask GOD for forgiveness then you will be forgiven
 

homwardbound

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if you sincerely ask GOD for forgiveness then you will be forgiven
Ask and You will receive the forgiveness that was and is provided for you at the cross where the last sacrifice took place and the last shedding of blood, there is no more forgiveness coming from God after that action of Christ he is not coming back over and over for anyone to get anymore forgiveness other than at the cross we are not under a sacrificial system.
Now once we see and receive this forgiveness as a done act then we can recceive new life in place of acting as if we got to go back to Jerusalam and get more sins forgiven before we can live the new life, since we are forgiven and we have the new life as a gift from God after Christ took away the sacrifice for any more sin for ever this is the Good news, and we by belief have and do the walk as by belief one gets and the cup overflows
 
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Every sin will be forgiven,on Heavens and Earth,just sin against Holy Spirit wont be forgiven.
So,if u repent,your sins will be forgiven.God knows us very well,and HE knows every heart.And HE knows that we aren't perfect.But HE won't leave u in sins,but HE want us to see that we want to change ourselvs,that we want to let GOD into our lifes,that we are sorry and that we need to repent.
Every new day is new repent.

Repentance is indeed an act of reconciliation, of reintegration into the Body of Christ, which has been torn asunder by sin. For "if one member suffers, all suffer together" (1 Corinthians 12.26). "Therefore, confess your sins to one another ... that you may be healed" (James 5.16) . The whole Church expresses a search for repentance in the repeated words of the Psalmist, commonly known as the "miserere" (Psalms 50). It is through the faith of the community that the individual is readmitted and forgiven. "When Jesus saw their faith he said, 'man, your sins are forgiven' " (Luke 5.20; cf. Matthew 9.2 and Mark 2.5). "Justification" in the New Testament does not mean a transaction - a kind of deal; and repentance defies mechanical definition. It is a continual enactment of freedom, a movement forward, deriving from renewed choice and leading to restoration. The aim of the Christian is not even justification but a re-entry by sinner and saint alike into communion in which God and man meet once again and personal experience of divine life becomes possible. Both prodigal and saint are "repenting sinners."
It is clear that what is at stake here is not particular acts of contrition, but an attitude, a state of mind. "For this life," states John Chrysostom, "is in truth wholly devoted to repentance, penthos and wailing. This is why it is necessary to repent, not merely for one or two days, but throughout one's whole life."
 
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I am saved yet i sinned is this forgiveable?
Hi mandys,

Whilst Christians are not perfect in our physical state, these failings are not what determines whether we are sinner or not.
Remember that in Christ we are justified, hence Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge us with sin.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Please consider what the definition of "sin" is.

Below are a few examples of God's definitions of sin:
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17 (Christians are righteous in Christ, so in this regard we do not sin)
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (Christians believe in Jesus, so in this regard we do not sin)
Trangression of the law, 1John 3:4 (Christians are not under the law, so in this regard we do not sin)

Regarding sin/transgression of the law, Christians cannot be accused of this sin as we are not under the law of sin and death.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets free from the law of sin and death, (Rom 8:2).
"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness," Rom 10:4
Regarding the law of sin and death it should be noted that:
“whatever the law says it says to those who are under it” (Rom 3:19).
“the law was not made for a righteous person (Christians), but for…the ungodly and for sinners” (1Tim 1:9).
“where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN)” (Rom 4:15).

Only our past sin was dealt with at the cross.
Rom 3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,"

It was only our past sins that were forgiven. That means there is no more forgiveness of sin after this as sin was finally dealt with at the cross. Christ's sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin. After that there is no more subsequent sin because our righteousness is not judged by deeds of the law anymore. Instead our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

When we are in Christ, believing in him, then we are righteous (Rom 4:5), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and perfected (Heb 10:14), hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.

Consider also 1Pet 4:18
“If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear”.
Clearly there are 2 different groups described here.
Group 1: Righteous (and saved).
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner (unsaved).
Either we are righteous (in Christ) OR we are sinners. We can't be both.

In Christ we have "ceased from sin", 1Pet 4:1
How have we "ceased from sin?

We believe in Jesus, thus our old man has been crucified with him, Rom 6:6.
Now, I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20. And in Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5

1Pet 4:1
“Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him. Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin”.

And this is also confirmed by 1John 3:9
“Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God”.

Truly Jesus set us free from sin (John 8:36).

And as for those physical failings that we still see, remember that body is already dead (by faith) because of sin.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;

As your body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) therefore Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge you with sin, Rom 8:33.

On a separate point, regarding our obvious physical failings/wrongs, we will not profit in doing them. Although our righteousness is not determined by this, there are physical consequences for any wrongs we do. Consider King David with his adultery/murder. He was disciplined by God.

But in regards to our righteousness, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We are born of God (1John 5:1) and cannot sin (1John 3:9). So Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Continue to believe in Jesus.
 
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I am saved yet i sinned is this forgiveable?

Yeah its forgive able, all you have to do is be sorry and want to change and change, you ask your Heavenly Father for forgiveness in Christ name and intuitively ; it is done.

Christ was even asked how many times should I forgive some one ?

Matthew 18:21-22

King James Version (KJV)

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven....


Seventy times seven , that = 490 times, in a day !





Hebrews 8:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


And there is NO way you have committed the unforgivable sin.........
 
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Isaiah 43:25



25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
 
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Luke 24:47



47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Repentance simply is another word for , feeling remorse for a wrong done, and wanting to genuinely change, & asking The Heavenly Father for that forgiveness of that sin in The savior's Christ name...

Some people believe baptism plays a role also. It is written that we have to be baptized in water-Matthew 3:13-15; Romans 6:3-5; Acts 2:37-39 , if able.

But simply, Christ forgives & loves . That is what Christianity is all about. That is the main thing.
 

homwardbound

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Every sin will be forgiven,on Heavens and Earth,just sin against Holy Spirit wont be forgiven.
So,if u repent,your sins will be forgiven.God knows us very well,and HE knows every heart.And HE knows that we aren't perfect.But HE won't leave u in sins,but HE want us to see that we want to change ourselvs,that we want to let GOD into our lifes,that we are sorry and that we need to repent.
Every new day is new repent.

Repentance is indeed an act of reconciliation, of reintegration into the Body of Christ, which has been torn asunder by sin. For "if one member suffers, all suffer together" (1 Corinthians 12.26). "Therefore, confess your sins to one another ... that you may be healed" (James 5.16) . The whole Church expresses a search for repentance in the repeated words of the Psalmist, commonly known as the "miserere" (Psalms 50). It is through the faith of the community that the individual is readmitted and forgiven. "When Jesus saw their faith he said, 'man, your sins are forgiven' " (Luke 5.20; cf. Matthew 9.2 and Mark 2.5). "Justification" in the New Testament does not mean a transaction - a kind of deal; and repentance defies mechanical definition. It is a continual enactment of freedom, a movement forward, deriving from renewed choice and leading to restoration. The aim of the Christian is not even justification but a re-entry by sinner and saint alike into communion in which God and man meet once again and personal experience of divine life becomes possible. Both prodigal and saint are "repenting sinners."
It is clear that what is at stake here is not particular acts of contrition, but an attitude, a state of mind. "For this life," states John Chrysostom, "is in truth wholly devoted to repentance, penthos and wailing. This is why it is necessary to repent, not merely for one or two days, but throughout one's whole life."
What is the differance between continuous repenting and going to Jerusalem ot get ones sins forgiven over and over? Are wein a new covenant or are we in the old still? do we have a new priesthood or are we under the old?
 

homwardbound

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Hi mandys,

Whilst Christians are not perfect in our physical state, these failings are not what determines whether we are sinner or not.
Remember that in Christ we are justified, hence Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge us with sin.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Please consider what the definition of "sin" is.

Below are a few examples of God's definitions of sin:
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17 (Christians are righteous in Christ, so in this regard we do not sin)
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (Christians believe in Jesus, so in this regard we do not sin)
Trangression of the law, 1John 3:4 (Christians are not under the law, so in this regard we do not sin)

Regarding sin/transgression of the law, Christians cannot be accused of this sin as we are not under the law of sin and death.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets free from the law of sin and death, (Rom 8:2).
"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness," Rom 10:4
Regarding the law of sin and death it should be noted that:
“whatever the law says it says to those who are under it” (Rom 3:19).
“the law was not made for a righteous person (Christians), but for…the ungodly and for sinners” (1Tim 1:9).
“where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN)” (Rom 4:15).

Only our past sin was dealt with at the cross.
Rom 3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,"

It was only our past sins that were forgiven. That means there is no more forgiveness of sin after this as sin was finally dealt with at the cross. Christ's sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin. After that there is no more subsequent sin because our righteousness is not judged by deeds of the law anymore. Instead our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

When we are in Christ, believing in him, then we are righteous (Rom 4:5), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and perfected (Heb 10:14), hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.

Consider also 1Pet 4:18
“If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear”.
Clearly there are 2 different groups described here.
Group 1: Righteous (and saved).
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner (unsaved).
Either we are righteous (in Christ) OR we are sinners. We can't be both.

In Christ we have "ceased from sin", 1Pet 4:1
How have we "ceased from sin?

We believe in Jesus, thus our old man has been crucified with him, Rom 6:6.
Now, I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20. And in Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5

1Pet 4:1
“Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him. Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin”.

And this is also confirmed by 1John 3:9
“Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God”.

Truly Jesus set us free from sin (John 8:36).

And as for those physical failings that we still see, remember that body is already dead (by faith) because of sin.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;

As your body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) therefore Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge you with sin, Rom 8:33.

On a separate point, regarding our obvious physical failings/wrongs, we will not profit in doing them. Although our righteousness is not determined by this, there are physical consequences for any wrongs we do. Consider King David with his adultery/murder. He was disciplined by God.

But in regards to our righteousness, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We are born of God (1John 5:1) and cannot sin (1John 3:9). So Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Continue to believe in Jesus.
Yes this is truth to the matured believer that God has chosen to allow to see as God willo have Mercy on whom God will have Mercy Hebrews 6 ask God to see and move onto perfection in the Spirit of God Halleluah brother