I forgot to be baptized

[Johnny_B]

Get baptized under the authority of a local NT church, not by someone you like in a lake or stream somewhere. The flippant attitude by some about baptism is unbelievable, but then again, no, it isn't unbelievable.

Bother there was no formal baptismals to be baptized, in the NT. Matthew 3:13 "Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him." Where were these believers baptized?

Acts 2:41 "So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls." It does not say, maybe there was a river close by, but in 2000 I do remember seeing any rivers close by.

Acts 8:36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” All you need to be baptized is water.

Formal baptismals are from the RCC, Scripture say nothing about a formal place or classes to go throught to be baptized. The eunuch seen a body of water and Philip baptized him.

 

[hornetguy]

Water Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

perhaps not....but, it IS necessary for obedience.

Otherwise, Peter and all the other apostles and disciples were liars...

There is no way around that Biblical fact...

 

[mailmandan]

perhaps not....but, it IS necessary for obedience.

Otherwise, Peter and all the other apostles and disciples were liars...

There is no way around that Biblical fact...

We can agree on that. Water baptism is an important act of obedience, but to say that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation goes beyond what scripture says.

The Bible is clear that whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE will be condemned (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18) yet NOWHERE does the Bible say whoever is not water baptized will be condemned.

 

[hornetguy]

We can agree on that. Water baptism is an important act of obedience, but to say that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation goes beyond what scripture says.

The Bible is clear that whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE will be condemned (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18) yet NOWHERE does the Bible say whoever is not water baptized will be condemned.

No, I don't remember any specific statement like that...

I think scripture does say quite a few things about living in willful disobedience, though.... but that is up to each person to reconcile with God.... I don't have any business taking anybody else's inventory...

 

[hornetguy]

So, in answer to the title of this thread "I forgot to be baptized"......

You've been reminded...... 'sup to you, now.

 

[DJ2]

We can agree on that. Water baptism is an important act of obedience, but to say that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation goes beyond what scripture says.

The Bible is clear that whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE will be condemned (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18) yet NOWHERE does the Bible say whoever is not water baptized will be condemned.

Water baptism is a necessary act of obedience not only important. If it is optional it can not be that important. Your last sentence is quite telling of your reasoning. You focus on condemnation as the theme of Mark 16:16 and ignore the salvation that is presented. Jesus does not need to present the negative side to each phrase He utters. There is no point to saying that all who believe and are baptized are saved if the opposite is not true.

The central theme of Mark 16:16 is that salvation is through belief and baptism and condemnation is through unbelief.

 

[mailmandan]

Water baptism is a necessary act of obedience not only important. If it is optional it can not be that important. Your last sentence is quite telling of your reasoning. You focus on condemnation as the theme of Mark 16:16 and ignore the salvation that is presented. Jesus does not need to present the negative side to each phrase He utters. There is no point to saying that all who believe and are baptized are saved if the opposite is not true.

The central theme of Mark 16:16 is that salvation is through belief and baptism and condemnation is through unbelief.

Not true. Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

*If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[DJ2]

Not true. Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

*If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

No one writes in such a way and expects the reader to come to such a twisted conclusion. Mark wrote rather simply, it is your theology that is forcing such a strained meaning. I think you know this.

 

[Bladerunner]

perhaps not....but, it IS necessary for obedience.

Otherwise, Peter and all the other apostles and disciples were liars...

There is no way around that Biblical fact...

Now HG your better than that.... It is a works of man and is only needed for a ceremony or to join a denomination(s), etc. There is no obedience necessary that too is a works of man.....

Grace by Faith Alone and that is all

Having said that..... If you truly believe in Jesus Christ, You will receive the Holy Spirit who will teach, guide and protect you with the whole armor of GOD.

p.s. Peter and all the other apostles did not tell the people that they had to obey the laws and at the same time have faith. Think you had better read them again.

 

[FrankLee]

Jesus came to the rural area where we live 40 years ago and saved me. I didn't know I was saved or even what saved was. I would not go to church for all I ever heard from visiting church people was come to our church. Nothing about the love of God. After He saved me He then baptized me with His Holy Spirit and gave me the gift of tongues and again I didn't know what had happened to me until I searched it out in the Bible. Awhile later we found a wonderful spirit filled church that was pastored by a man who had been healed at an A. A. Allen tent meeting, God gave Gene Mullenax a new lung to replace one surgically removed.

We learned about water baptism there. The burying of the old man. In a cold winters day when I was 33 my brother Jimmy and I were baptized in white oak bayou, just off the Arkansas River. We took driftwood and broke the 3/4" thick ice. Back at home 50 miles away my wife said I was glowing when I came through the door. I'm glad Jesus made me wait to be baptized, in water until I'd learned more about it. The whole wonderful, mysterious adventure of being saved, born as a new creature, baptized in the wonderful comfort of the Holy Spirit and then in water has amazed me these many years. Everything He has for us is wonderful including water baptism.

I pray you be baptized when and where and by whosoever He will . you are doing what He asked us to do and obedience is better than sacrifice.

 

[mailmandan]

No, I don't remember any specific statement like that...

I think scripture does say quite a few things about living in willful disobedience, though.... but that is up to each person to reconcile with God.... I don't have any business taking anybody else's inventory...

My agreement with you from Post #102

Water Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

perhaps not....but, it IS necessary for obedience.

Otherwise, Peter and all the other apostles and disciples were liars...

There is no way around that Biblical fact...

 

[mailmandan]

No one writes in such a way and expects the reader to come to such a twisted conclusion. Mark wrote rather simply, it is your theology that is forcing such a strained meaning. I think you know this.

My conclusion is not twisted and is the result of *properly harmonizing scripture with scripture.*

It's actually your theology that is forcing a strained meaning of salvation by water baptism "water baptized or condemned" in (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) *when Jesus clearly said "whoever does not believe will be condemned" and Jesus did not even mention water baptism in those passages of scripture in John.

I think you know this, but because of your deep indoctrination and for the sake of accommodating your biased church doctrine, you continue to roll with it.

 

[DJ2]

My conclusion is not twisted and is the result of *properly harmonizing scripture with scripture.*

It's actually your theology that is forcing a strained meaning of salvation by water baptism "water baptized or condemned" in (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) *when Jesus clearly said "whoever does not believe will be condemned" and Jesus did not even mention water baptism in those passages of scripture in John.

I think you know this, but because of your deep indoctrination and for the sake of accommodating your biased church doctrine, you continue to roll with it.

Since we are condemned because of our unbelief, is Jesus also mandated to list the other things that will also condemn us? What in Mark 16:16 makes you think that baptism is optional.

 

[mailmandan]

Since we are condemned because of our unbelief, is Jesus also mandated to list the other things that will also condemn us? What in Mark 16:16 makes you think that baptism is optional.

The "omission" of "baptized" with "whoever does not believe will be condemned" causes me to believe that baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation. That does not mean baptism is considered "optional." It's a command that we are expected to obey (Acts 10:48), but it's not obedience to this command that saves us, but believing in Christ (Acts 10:43-47).

 

[Rosemaryx]

Jesus came to the rural area where we live 40 years ago and saved me. I didn't know I was saved or even what saved was. I would not go to church for all I ever heard from visiting church people was come to our church. Nothing about the love of God. After He saved me He then baptized me with His Holy Spirit and gave me the gift of tongues and again I didn't know what had happened to me until I searched it out in the Bible. Awhile later we found a wonderful spirit filled church that was pastored by a man who had been healed at an A. A. Allen tent meeting, God gave Gene Mullenax a new lung to replace one surgically removed.

We learned about water baptism there. The burying of the old man. In a cold winters day when I was 33 my brother Jimmy and I were baptized in white oak bayou, just off the Arkansas River. We took driftwood and broke the 3/4" thick ice. Back at home 50 miles away my wife said I was glowing when I came through the door. I'm glad Jesus made me wait to be baptized, in water until I'd learned more about it. The whole wonderful, mysterious adventure of being saved, born as a new creature, baptized in the wonderful comfort of the Holy Spirit and then in water has amazed me these many years. Everything He has for us is wonderful including water baptism.

I pray you be baptized when and where and by whosoever He will . you are doing what He asked us to do and obedience is better than sacrifice.

WOW what a BEA~UTI~FUL post...I really felt the warmth from reading this, i even got a vision in my mind lol...xox...

 

[mcubed]

This reminds me of how I dated a church of christ person/guy/idiot once. He told me I was not really saved because when I got baptized I did not do it to be saved. I wrote him a 10-page paper on Salvation not by baptism gave it to him, and never heard from him again…lol

The point is, baptism is an outward symbol of the confession of our faith. It does not make us any more or any less saved. I do not know what new age monstrosity is but if all your churches are in ruin because of neglect maybe G-d is calling you to fix it or start a new one; be a repairer of the breach. If you want to be baptized all you have to do is be immersed in water; baptized means immersed. Got any bodies of water around? Got a bathtub?

 

[DJ2]

The "omission" of "baptized" with "whoever does not believe will be condemned" causes me to believe that baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation. That does not mean baptism is considered "optional." It's a command that we are expected to obey (Acts 10:48), but it's not obedience to this command that saves us, but believing in Christ (Acts 10:43-47).

"All returns received by us before midnight April 15 and with the appropriate postage will be properly postmarked, any returns after midnight will not be postmarked until the next day."

Would you accept a return without proper postage before the midnight deadline simply because the second part of the quote "omits" appropriate postage?

Does the "omission" of appropriate postage in the latter part of the sentence negate the need for it?

 

[DJ2]

So are you telling me I cannot be saved if I am not baptized with water? I'm sorry but that is not biblical.

The criminal, hanging on the cross next to Jesus, was he baptized? I don't think he could have been baptized, at least not with water. Yet Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43)

How do you know the thief on the cross was not baptized? To label him "unbaptized" is an assumption. There is no reference about his past other then he was a thief. It is possible that he was among the masses that came to be baptized by John the Baptist and his disciples for repentance and the remission of sins (Mark 1:4). He could have been baptized by the apostles during the 3 years that Jesus preached the good news. These of course are assumptions but so is the notion that he was unbaptized. But if someone wishes to stake their salvation on an assumption and for the sake of argument lets assume he was never baptized.

The promise between Jesus and the thief was a personal one and can not be claimed by anyone other than the person it was meant for. God has made many promises to individuals and it would be bad logic to think that anyone could put themselves into a promise not meant for them. Abraham, Hannah, David, Solomon, Gideon, Peter, Paul etc. were all made promises by God but these can not a applied to the world at large, So is it with the thief's promise.

Not only was the promise not meant for us, it does not apply to us either. The promise was made before the Great Commission, we who are alive today are to follow the will of God in the Bible and become His followers, baptising them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:16-20). We are to among other things believe that Jesus raised from the dead (Romans 10:9) something that the thief could not do. Also, even if Jesus wanted Pilate to be with Him in Paradise, so be it. It is not for us to second guess God but to present the Gospel in a clear and honest way. So yes, he was saved. If God wants to make exceptions, who are we to say no. But who stakes their future on exceptions.

King Hezekiah asked for healing and God promised him fifteen more years of life (2nd Kings 20). Would you tell a dying person to put their hopes in this promise, of course not.

 

[mailmandan]

"All returns received by us before midnight April 15 and with the appropriate postage will be properly postmarked, any returns after midnight will not be postmarked until the next day."

Would you accept a return without proper postage before the midnight deadline simply because the second part of the quote "omits" appropriate postage?

Does the "omission" of appropriate postage in the latter part of the sentence negate the need for it?

Faulty human logic. A better analogy would be, "He who takes his medication and washes it down with water will be made well, but he who does not take his medication will remain sick."

Of course it's the medication that makes one well and not the water, but it logically follows that we wash the medication down with water. If no water is available and you take the medication dry, you will still be made well BECAUSE OF THE MEDICATION.

It's the same with water baptism. It logically follows that we get water baptized after we believe and are saved, but if no water is available (particularly due to a death bed conversion) you will still be saved because you BELIEVE which is in harmony with Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31 etc..

 

[hornetguy]

Now HG your better than that.... It is a works of man and is only needed for a ceremony or to join a denomination(s), etc. There is no obedience necessary that too is a works of man.....

Not to be beating a dead horse, but this is simply wrong, scripturally.

IF it was a "work of man" and the apostles knew "how" to be saved, why would they include it as being necessary?

What ceremony, or denomination was Paul doing/joining?

How about the eunuch on the road out in the desert with Philip?

How about Cornelius and his family?

How about the thousands at Pentecost?

There WERE no "denominations" at that time, yet they ALL were convinced of the NEED to be baptized. Not the warm, fuzzy feeling, not the ceremonial aspect of it... the NEED, or necessity of it..

I believe they all knew much more clearly what was taught than we do, after some 2000 odd years of man interjecting HIS wacky beliefs and agendas into the mix.

Exegesis beats Eisigesis every time....

definition of eisigesis....

“The interpretation of a text…by reading into it one’s own ideas.” (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, (Merriam-Webster, Inc. Publishers, Springfield, MA, 1991), pg. 399)