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yeah it’s the churches main enemy we turn on each other when the world is already against us . Satan fears Christians who pull together in Christ. But most often we instead make enemies of one another arguing over what Gods word says
Isn't that the truth!!! I am going to keep trying as I truly believe we are headed into an new 'season' in which God is going to start opening eyes. I know I am picking up on things I never saw even as many times as I had read some of the passages. Once the meaning is given there is no mistaking it's truth and you know it is a miracle because there is NO WAY what you see wouldn't have been seen before. I have even wondered if there were some 're writes' going on because it is clear as day, it is not complicated, it is not hidden, it just didn't used to be there and now it is.

I'm getting excited because I have felt it. I am not expecting ALOT of people to change but I am expecting ALOT of change in a few people, and that is all it takes. We are approaching a supernatural time here on earth the last one being 2000 years ago and Jesus wasn't trying to be SHOWY so this is going to be really different. Remember so good the time had to be shortened. GOD is going to give His soldiers what they need to complete the armor. Those with the true hearts will receive it. That is why loving Him most matters the most. When we love God more than ourselves only HIS TRUTH MATTERS. Not who we are or what others think of us. Don't care if we have been wrong only care to be right. I love it when I am shown an error through Scriptures. I used to be hard to admit it but it seems the more I am willing to open up and learn and admit my OPPS the more I receive and the easier the opps are but there are less.
 
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I have to say I totally disagree with this.

Heresy that clearly teaches things not in scripture can easily be seen as heresy. But heresy that cleverly uses "new revelation" on old words is more readily accepted. We don't need "new revelation." We need to teach the old things under the power of the Spirit and without apology.

Every church out there in the evangelical industrial complex has deeper truths, new revelations. And if you notice it's always based on at least one scripture, usually taken out of context and falsely interpreted. These false churches are leading us to the false unity of ecumenism.
I understand your thinking
 
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But any revelation from the spirit will always have it's roots in scripture in some way or form if opne feels lead to speak or prophesy I would not discourage them but I would test to see if it was God given or not. Many churches out there are all for the spirit but have little knowledge or understanding of scripture one church in particular I went to one time was such a church and I had a very uneasy feeling in my spirit I knew I had to get out of there fast
Absolutely. It will be written, it can be proved through what is written. Some one says that jumping up and down was revealed to them as the way to heaven I say sorry, no way. If it is an understanding that hasn't been heard but once seen has plenty of Scripture to back it up I say, it will be proved to be truth by not finding any scripture to make it void and it not making any other scripture void.

But we have to realize what we are up against and learn to move past those voices and not give them ground to speak, any more than necessary. Discernment is becoming critical for the children of God.
 
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To answer your question, we need to remember two things:
1. God's written Word is already settled and it cannot be changed.

2. When the Bible says that "the books are opened", the context is the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20). Those books contain the records of the deeds (and words) of the ones who are NOT written in the Book of Life. This has nothing to do with our present situation.

3. Individual Christians must grow and mature within local Bible-believing churches. Whether or not it is happening as it should is questionable, because the majority of churches are not following the NT pattern.

That is not the context here. You must know about this, correct? The #2 comes across as 'the only books' to be opened. You are aware of this aren't you? Or do you believe this has to do with the White Throne Judgment?

If that is a yes, please tell me why you believe DANIEL would be given any of that info?

Any chance you will be getting back to the questions I presented in that 2 comings/returns of Christ post? I am very interested to see it worked out from your belief.


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
 

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That is not the context here. You must know about this, correct? The #2 comes across as 'the only books' to be opened. You are aware of this aren't you? Or do you believe this has to do with the White Throne Judgment?...
Some of what is written below does have to do with the Great White Throne Judgment. So I will place sub-headings to show what is what.

THE TRIBULATION AND DELIVERANCE OF THE BELIEVING JEWISH REMNANT
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. [Note: this is a reference to the Book of Life, but only to show that Jewish believers are written therein. The GWTJ is for the unbelieving]

THE RESURRECTIONS OF THE RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS DEAD
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. [Note: the last clause is about the GWTJ] Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. [Note: this corresponds to Rev 22:11]: He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

THE GLORIFICATION OF THE SAINTS
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever...

DANIEL'S VISIONS TO BE FULFILLED DURING THE END TIMES
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. [Note: this could also imply that the book of Revelation would complete and complement the book of Daniel. Regarding the Abomination of Desolation, Jesus said that the one who reads Daniel's prophecies should also understand what they mean Mt 24:15]

DANIEL TO BE HONOURED AFTER THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.[/QUOTE] [Note: Daniel probably died of old age in Persia]

So as you can see, the complete Bible is sufficient, and no more books will be added or opened. Only those at the GWTJ in the future. As to your questions regarding the Rapture, I will answer them briefly at another time.
 

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I'm getting excited because I have felt it. I am not expecting ALOT of people to change but I am expecting ALOT of change in a few people, and that is all it takes. We are approaching a supernatural time here on earth the last one being 2000 years ago and Jesus wasn't trying to be SHOWY so this is going to be really different. Remember so good the time had to be shortened.
I agree, but I think the last time God worked to change the world was in the 1500's. There was the printing press, the protestant revolution, and Columbus opening up America as------- some of the changes of that time.

In the 40;s we had Hitler whose ways resulted in prophecy about the Jews returning begin to happen, changing the world's view of the Jewish race, and the discovery of the dead sea scrolls that opened up knowledge of OT times.

The old testament isn't something Christ changed, it is what Christ fulfilled. It is the foundation of Christ and as we accept and understand it better we have a better understanding of Christ.
 

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Isn't that the truth!!! I am going to keep trying as I truly believe we are headed into an new 'season' in which God is going to start opening eyes. I know I am picking up on things I never saw even as many times as I had read some of the passages. Once the meaning is given there is no mistaking it's truth and you know it is a miracle because there is NO WAY what you see wouldn't have been seen before. I have even wondered if there were some 're writes' going on because it is clear as day, it is not complicated, it is not hidden, it just didn't used to be there and now it is.

I'm getting excited because I have felt it. I am not expecting ALOT of people to change but I am expecting ALOT of change in a few people, and that is all it takes. We are approaching a supernatural time here on earth the last one being 2000 years ago and Jesus wasn't trying to be SHOWY so this is going to be really different. Remember so good the time had to be shortened. GOD is going to give His soldiers what they need to complete the armor. Those with the true hearts will receive it. That is why loving Him most matters the most. When we love God more than ourselves only HIS TRUTH MATTERS. Not who we are or what others think of us. Don't care if we have been wrong only care to be right. I love it when I am shown an error through Scriptures. I used to be hard to admit it but it seems the more I am willing to open up and learn and admit my OPPS the more I receive and the easier the opps are but there are less.

amen that’s the best part of this forum it seems every time I come here in discussions someone always says something I hadn’t considered before, or points to a scripture being right where I never perceived it to be

Its amazing how much we can learn just by reading through few in depth conversations by some of the folks here. There a ton of value if we look past the carnality and arguing


I’ve learned a lot since coming here not from any one particular person but mostly from people sharing thier thoughts and experiences with the lord. Or thoughts about scripture or ideas about scriptural theory or ideation.

I used to wonder if this place had value or if it was too much arguing , now I’ve learned bat often when someone’s ooo t is opposite or not jiving either mine it may be that we aren’t understanding one another rather than being opposed


it’s great for me because I like to have fresh perceptions or ideas to consider even if I don’t agree there’s always some form of abstract thought here to consider it often leads to unexpected studies and edification


God bless and keep pressing towards the glory !!
 

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I agree, but I think the last time God worked to change the world was in the 1500's. There was the printing press, the protestant revolution, and Columbus opening up America as------- some of the changes of that time.

In the 40;s we had Hitler whose ways resulted in prophecy about the Jews returning begin to happen, changing the world's view of the Jewish race, and the discovery of the dead sea scrolls that opened up knowledge of OT times.

The old testament isn't something Christ changed, it is what Christ fulfilled. It is the foundation of Christ and as we accept and understand it better we have a better understanding of Christ.
which covenant was broken and cursed the earth and requires salvation to be offered ? Which law is responsible for this ?


“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and is that why he promised this ?

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and is that why we have an entirely Nee covenant not according to the one they broke and cursed the earth with ?

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

does the New Testament confirm this seperation of the old and new covenants ?

“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


One covenant was given through Moses to Israel it was a blessing if they did it all continually and it was a curse if they broke it at any point. They broke it and defiled it for hundreds of years and it’s curse came to pass rather than Israel’s blessing for their nation instead israel was destroyed and left desolate in 70 ad because they broke thier covenant

the new covenant is what Jesus said that’s him coming to offer a new covenant he’s the messenger of his covenant not moses

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses words about Jesus are fulfilled the psalms and prophets words about Jesus are fulfilled his coming is what fulfilled the law and prophets his preaching the new covenant rising from death ect all the law and prophets said of Christ is fulfilled and. Ow we have his word for an everlasting covenant a new one free of the curse
 

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which covenant was broken and cursed the earth and requires salvation to be offered ? Which law is responsible for this ?


“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and is that why he promised this ?

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and is that why we have an entirely Nee covenant not according to the one they broke and cursed the earth with ?

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

does the New Testament confirm this seperation of the old and new covenants ?

“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


One covenant was given through Moses to Israel it was a blessing if they did it all continually and it was a curse if they broke it at any point. They broke it and defiled it for hundreds of years and it’s curse came to pass rather than Israel’s blessing for their nation instead israel was destroyed and left desolate in 70 ad because they broke thier covenant

the new covenant is what Jesus said that’s him coming to offer a new covenant he’s the messenger of his covenant not moses

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses words about Jesus are fulfilled the psalms and prophets words about Jesus are fulfilled his coming is what fulfilled the law and prophets his preaching the new covenant rising from death ect all the law and prophets said of Christ is fulfilled and. Ow we have his word for an everlasting covenant a new one free of the curse
We are not cursed, man has always been given a way out through blood shed on the altar--it was fulfilled and perfected in Christ.

The covenant under Moses was a covenant using commands of the flesh like cutting flesh and diet control to communicate with man. The covenant under Christ explained those commands in a spiritual way and took away the fleshly type commands.

God is our creator, just and good. As soon as God saw man brought on the curse of death this kind, good God found a way of taking away the curse. God did NOT curse man for over 4,000 years until Christ came as a man, Christ was from the beginning as we are told in the gospel of John. God never curses, God saves.
 
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DANIEL'S VISIONS TO BE FULFILLED DURING THE END TIMES
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. [Note: this could also imply that the book of Revelation would complete and complement the book of Daniel. Regarding the Abomination of Desolation, Jesus said that the one who reads Daniel's prophecies should also understand what they mean Mt 24:15]


My reply was in response to this part of YOUR post
2. When the Bible says that "the books are opened", the context is the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20). Those books contain the records of the deeds (and words) of the ones who are NOT written in the Book of Life. This has nothing to do with our present situation.

I did so because I didn't not believe that the book DANIEL was a 'book' of Judgment, WHICH by your reply, neither do you.

From the above post of YOURS
[Note: this could also imply that the book of Revelation would complete and complement the book of Daniel. Regarding the Abomination of Desolation, Jesus said that the one who reads Daniel's prophecies should also understand what they mean Mt 24:15]


Do you see how the two contradict each other? Good thing is WE AGREE. Hopefully we will continue on doing so one way or the other.
 
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I agree, but I think the last time God worked to change the world was in the 1500's. There was the printing press, the protestant revolution, and Columbus opening up America as------- some of the changes of that time.

In the 40;s we had Hitler whose ways resulted in prophecy about the Jews returning begin to happen, changing the world's view of the Jewish race, and the discovery of the dead sea scrolls that opened up knowledge of OT times.

The old testament isn't something Christ changed, it is what Christ fulfilled. It is the foundation of Christ and as we accept and understand it better we have a better understanding of Christ.

I am not sure who decided God was going to suddenly change and there would not be laws anymore but I agree with you there is a big difference between fulfilling prophecy and getting rid of the law.

I believe it stems from not being under the schoolmaster to come to FAITH but trying to do it the other way around. Jesus is the SCHOOLMASTER when you think about it. How can we know Jesus if we don't know the OLD TEST?

15 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace 16 And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
 
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amen that’s the best part of this forum it seems every time I come here in discussions someone always says something I hadn’t considered before, or points to a scripture being right where I never perceived it to be

Its amazing how much we can learn just by reading through few in depth conversations by some of the folks here. There a ton of value if we look past the carnality and arguing


I’ve learned a lot since coming here not from any one particular person but mostly from people sharing thier thoughts and experiences with the lord. Or thoughts about scripture or ideas about scriptural theory or ideation.

I used to wonder if this place had value or if it was too much arguing , now I’ve learned bat often when someone’s ooo t is opposite or not jiving either mine it may be that we aren’t understanding one another rather than being opposed


it’s great for me because I like to have fresh perceptions or ideas to consider even if I don’t agree there’s always some form of abstract thought here to consider it often leads to unexpected studies and edification


God bless and keep pressing towards the glory !!
Did you find it to be a steep learning curve? I did. I would have looked like a deer in the headlights for awhile. Talk about jumping into the deep end. I thought I had been studying before BUT when put to the task of defending your beliefs it is truly a whole different way of studying. Learn to be careful with your words really fast because any mistake will come to light. Yes, Iron sharpens Iron. Thank you for the post
 

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Did you find it to be a steep learning curve? I did. I would have looked like a deer in the headlights for awhile. Talk about jumping into the deep end. I thought I had been studying before BUT when put to the task of defending your beliefs it is truly a whole different way of studying. Learn to be careful with your words really fast because any mistake will come to light. Yes, Iron sharpens Iron. Thank you for the post
lol I still haven’t identified the Curve honesty. I just remember a lot of scripture I started studying really hard when the pandemic hit and I was laid off from work like all day studies while helping take care of my mom who has m.s. and also is a really strong believer

so I really learned a lot of scripture fast but I think the key of study and learning is asking God to teach you his word as you study and I believe he will always answer that liberally without finding fault . Consistanty Asking the author , who lives in our minds and hearts , to explain the meaning , is the best and most important attribute of a student in my opinion.

there is a lot of understanding the Holy Spirit makes happen through prayer and just spending time seeking answers and understanding

I also believe that as we learn and believe we are changed and made strong and able to now walk in the thkngs we’re learning and believing from the lord and his own word of salvstion
 
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lol I still haven’t identified the Curve honesty. I just remember a lot of scripture I started studying really hard when the pandemic hit and I was laid off from work like all day studies while helping take care of my mom who has m.s. and also is a really strong believer

so I really learned a lot of scripture fast but I think the key of study and learning is asking God to teach you his word as you study and I believe he will always answer that liberally without finding fault . Consistanty Asking the author , who lives in our minds and hearts , to explain the meaning , is the best and most important attribute of a student in my opinion.

there is a lot of understanding the Holy Spirit makes happen through prayer and just spending time seeking answers and understanding

I also believe that as we learn and believe we are changed and made strong and able to now walk in the thkngs we’re learning and believing from the lord and his own word of salvstion
THIS is a beautiful and blessed response and truly is awesome to see. God Bless you for taking care of your Mom and God bless you for counting on the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. Loved it, :love:
 

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THIS is a beautiful and blessed response and truly is awesome to see. God Bless you for taking care of your Mom and God bless you for counting on the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. Loved it, :love:
probably because we share in the same spirit brother all of us who believe if we look past the carnality of being human are linked together forever by the man who gave his life on a cross at Calvary to bring this truth into being as an eternal offer from the one true and only God to those who hear and believe the gospel, even if they just understand a little or a lot

“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we learn we should be aware of the truth that as our knowledge grows so does our capacity and responsibility to walk on what we are learning to start applying it to our lives

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we should know also when we want to be teachers and claim we know it all really perfectly

“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

there’s an element to faith that depends on how much of the truth we know as individuals and we are then held to that account within our conscience . The spirit leads us that way if I know something is wrong and do it , I’ve sinned or in Christ of I know the right thing to do and don’t do it I have sinned

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we learn a lot we have to be careful not to learn more than we are willing to apply and need to walk by that which we have already learned . Paul knew more than any of us and said this

“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

once we claim to know we become responsible

“And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭9:39-41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the more we understand the higher our accountability for it

christianity is very personal to each one one person believes keeping the sabbath day is important another thinks every day is the same we each walk by what we believe to keep our conscience clear between us and the lord we walk by personal faith between we and Christ according to what we know and understand of the gospel. It makes it a hindrance for us to try to jidge each other’s salvation because we aren’t judging our own and walking therin we have to let everyone have some grace to
Live according to thier faith in Christ it just needs to come from the gospel

one person doesn’t eat certain foods because they think they are unclean. Another person heard Jesus deem all foods clean and they don’t think it matters what you eat. Both are right according to their faith. One person is convinced the sabbath keeping is important another thinks each day is the same ….both need to honor thier own faith to keep their consocence clear in Christ

it’s when I violate my own faith and belief and conscience that I’ve sinned and need to repent

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;

and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;

and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-2, 4-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think that’s one of the most important thkngs christians do for each other we discuss the truth but we never judge and condemn and point out and accuse and witness against like under the law

we discuss in love and we don’t try to make another person walk by our faith we do our best to walk by ours and let them walk by thiers and we learn and grow together as we move towards Christ and his image by believing the gospel and letting the spirit into us through faith

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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I think that’s one of the most important thkngs christians do for each other we discuss the truth but we never judge and condemn and point out and accuse and witness against like under the law
I agree, we sometimes lose sight of 'what is sin to us', isn't necessarily sin to another. And We shouldn't impose our personal 'laws' on someone else.

James 3:4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

James 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

James 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

WE need to strive to keep our being under control. Finding the UNITY and thereby Gods truths is the goal. It isn't up to the other guy.
 

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I agree, we sometimes lose sight of 'what is sin to us', isn't necessarily sin to another. And We shouldn't impose our personal 'laws' on someone else.

James 3:4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

James 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

James 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

WE need to strive to keep our being under control. Finding the UNITY and thereby Gods truths is the goal. It isn't up to the other guy.
amen to all of that for sure ! Jesus prayed for believers of the New Testament witnesses even us !!

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-24‬ ‭

Because we are one for better or worse in Christ we should be gracious and merciful towards others in all manner of deed and speech and repent when we come up short

“With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:2-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one of satans plots is to divide Christians with the word we believe it makes us like this

“But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:17‬ ‭

when Christians come together in the love of the Gospel it makes the body strong but when we’re against each other already having the world against us it makes the body weak and less on guard for the enemies plots

Christians supporting Christians is part of being a soldier and being at peace with each other is necassary part of the battle Plan. So it’s important to remain at peace even in disagreement we can’t survive and win a war against wicked spiritual forces , if we can’t get on the same side

We end up singling ourself out like a three legged sheep among a pride of lions and pack of hungry wolves

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sometimes we can snuff out his attacks on the brethren if we aren’t casting stones and insults ourselves lol peace is important