"I have said, Ye are gods..."

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Keeper

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Jeff_56 said:
i don't know what religion you've learned from, but it is awkward at best (to me; seems a bit awkward).... no worries if it is in truth. .... it sounds like an offshoot from the heathen heresy of jehovah's witness group.... good if it is not; just trying to clarify, instead of ending up going down a rabbit trail whether 2 posts or 2000 posts (as often has happened on many forums including this one.... whole lives spent for day/ weeks/ years following a lie that is covered up.... )....

stick with Scripture. test everything. verify everything. trust God. don't trust men.
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These things I speak of are beyond the realm of Religion (i.e. the Baptism of Water). There is a lot more to Christ than the Baptism of Water, (and the brotherhood that follows), and just like John the Baptist, it is our duty to remind those who are baptized in water that the journey does not end with the Church... but rather, that there's a Baptism of Spirit and FIRE that has to follow, which is carried out by Christ Himself.

"Where is He though?" They will ask, "Didn't He die about 2000 years ago?"

And we will respond: "Go into your room, look the door behind you and get on your knees to pray. Seek Him with all your heart and all your mind, you shall find him. And when you do, follow Him wherever he goes."

Note that I underlined the word "fire" above. And that's simply because this is the part where things get to be PAINFUL... and I mean, really, really painful... and I'm not just talking about the loneliness, not having anyone else to speak to (ever since you stopped going to church). I'm not talking about just that, but a lot more than that.

But yes, there is more to this life than singing and dancing "Praise the Lord". We get carried away into the desert, far away from Church and Religion... but as we pass through the Valley of Baka, we make it a place of springs. We go from strength to strength, till each appears before God in Zion (individually). It is through all this that we leave behind a story/legacy; the testimony that our audience expects from "gods" (and deserves).

"The Spirit of the Lord is Upon Me." We claim (or simply believe, without saying it out loud).

"Well, we don't wanna hear it. And we don't need to. Show us." The world responds.
 
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Hizikyah

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Psalm 82:6, "Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)! Yahweh says: How long will you defend the unjust, and show partiality to the sinners? You should defend the weak and fatherless! You should maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed! You should rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked. You know nothing, you understand nothing; you walk about in darkness, and all the foundations of the earth are shaken because of you! I have said: You are gods, you sons of the Most High;And like Adam you will die. Just like all the other rulers, you will fall. Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth! For You shall forcefully seize all nations!"

Genesis 6:1-, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them, That the sons of the gods (elohim) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And Yahweh said: The men of this world will never subject themselves to My word, for they are indeed carnally minded. Thus, their days shall be one hundred and twenty years. There were tyrants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the gods (elohim) came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty ones who are enemies of Yahweh--men which from even the days of old were known as men of an infamous name. Then Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and every intent of the thoughts of man'sheart was only evil, continually."
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Key phrases to understand IMO:

"all the foundations of the earth are shaken because of you!" (for what reason does this happen?)

"And like Adam you will die." (why would this be said if they were exactly like Adam?)
 
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Keef said:
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...
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I can see the part where it says we are gods. Basically that means we are HIS children. HIS children are the angels, the stars in the book of Job. An angel would seem like a pretty powerful being to a human. But when you start adding things like 'our own worlds' and 'visiting in our dreams', then you are getting into the things that cults are made of. It's a dangerous thing and carries a pretty stiff punishment! Be careful! You are treading on pretty dangerous territory!
 
JimmieD

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Hizikyah said:
Psalm 82:6, "Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)!
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In Psalm 82, the MT rendering says "assembly of El," not the "assembly of ha'elohim."
 
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GEN 6

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
 
Hizikyah

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I think the truth of Psalm 82:6 and Genesis 6 are the most well kept secret from those that study Scripture. IMO. (not saying my understanding is perfect in this matter)


 Key phrases to understand IMO:

"all the foundations of the earth are shaken because of you!" (for what reason does this happen?)

"And like Adam you will die." (why would this be said if they were exactly like Adam?)
 
Hizikyah

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JimmieD said:
Yes.

[extra text here because "yes" is too short]
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Im not personally a "fan" of the Masoretic text, they added vowel points to the language and alter SOME things. I do think it has value. But the best OT Texts IMO are the "J writings" they are the oldest. There is the "J", "E", "P", "D" etc etc....

Im not saying that rendering is right or wrong, but the Masorites were questionable in their agenda, and IMO that is saying it kind. I have not looked too much into the Hebrew here so I can give a definitive opinion... Personally I tried to look at the overall reach of said verse and those "Key phrases"(above) bounced of other Scripture to make my overall assessment. May Yah guide us.

Not saying wikip is 100% accurate but it discusses a bit.

quote, "In Hebrew orthography, niqqud or nikkud (Hebrew: נִקּוּד, Modern nikud Tiberian niqqûḏ ; "dotting, pointing" or Hebrew: נְקֻדּוֹת, Modern nekudot Tiberian nəquddôṯ ; "dots") is a system of diacritical signs used to represent vowels or distinguish between alternative pronunciations of letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Several such diacritical systems were developed in the Early Middle Ages. The most widespread system, and the only one still used to a significant degree today, was created by the Masoretes of Tiberias in the second half of the first millennium CE"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niqqud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis
 
posthuman

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in the psalm, are these really "gods" ? at least, in the connotation that the English language has? they do wickedness and die like men in their iniquity, and we know that there is no other God but the Almighty One. they are no more than 'little gods' certainly under the power of the true God.

is there an air of sarcasm in this psalm? they are called 'gods' because the Lord called them 'gods' - not because they were worthy of it. is it that He has set us above creation, 'a little lower than the angels' but we don't walk worthily of it? and He puts men in authority over others, in those times prophets and priests and kings (praise God! now one is all for us!) that acted as His emissaries, to carry out His judgement. these, in the psalms, He chastises like those in the book of John too!

so is there an air of sarcasm in John, too, when Jesus quotes it?
they had taken up rocks to stone Him because He had said the Father gave Him sheep, the Father's sheep, and the Father is greater than all, and that He and the Father are one. He said He gave His sheep eternal life, and perfect security in Him. was He saying the scripture judged them with the same measure as they thinking to judge Him, but here He was, the Faithful Shepherd, and there they were, those unfaithful ones?
 
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posthuman said:
in the psalm, are these really "gods" ? at least, in the connotation that the English language has? they do wickedness and die like men in their iniquity, and we know that there is no other God but the Almighty One. they are no more than 'little gods' certainly under the power of the true God.

is there an air of sarcasm in this psalm? they are called 'gods' because the Lord called them 'gods' - not because they were worthy of it. is it that He has set us above creation, 'a little lower than the angels' but we don't walk worthily of it? and He puts men in authority over others, in those times prophets and priests and kings (praise God! now one is all for us!) that acted as His emissaries, to carry out His judgement. these, in the psalms, He chastises like those in the book of John too!

so is there an air of sarcasm in John, too, when Jesus quotes it?
they had taken up rocks to stone Him because He had said the Father gave Him sheep, the Father's sheep, and the Father is greater than all, and that He and the Father are one. He said He gave His sheep eternal life, and perfect security in Him. was He saying the scripture judged them with the same measure as they thinking to judge Him, but here He was, the Faithful Shepherd, and there they were, those unfaithful ones?
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Yeah I also thought Yah was kind of laughing/scorning them because they think they are their own power.... the "geborim" (might hunters of old) and the "naphal" (fallen ones)
 
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