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This is what I think our fruits should be peace,joy,love,patience,kindness,goodness,purity,honesty,truth,grace,humility,wisdom,justice,compassion,gentleness,self control,faithfulness,sincerity,devotion,excellence,edification,fairness and mercy
These are the fruits that I see on here a lot and they have a lot to do with PRIDE
rude,non-submissive,control,masterful,conceit,ego,self righteous,self love,I,me,my,rebellious,self ambition,wants attention,boasting,man pleaser,arrogance,self interest,insolent,always right,self justification,overbearing,self glory,superiority,unloving,insensitive,haughtiness,vanity,selfishness,presumptuous,makes a name for self and looks down on others.If any of these things look familiar lets examine or hearts.
These are the fruits that I see on here a lot and they have a lot to do with PRIDE
rude,non-submissive,control,masterful,conceit,ego,self righteous,self love,I,me,my,rebellious,self ambition,wants attention,boasting,man pleaser,arrogance,self interest,insolent,always right,self justification,overbearing,self glory,superiority,unloving,insensitive,haughtiness,vanity,selfishness,presumptuous,makes a name for self and looks down on others.If any of these things look familiar lets examine or hearts.
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I think that is exactly what most of us see in here. And this is the reason for the post. I do not understand why Love has had such not loving comments. How can you argue with Love. I know we have to teach God's word but that is what we are to do teach and lead by example. God is my life, I want nothing more than to please Him. We do not know how long we have to live on this Earth. I love everyone. I don't know what else to say.
Amen, and glory be to God our Father,
Galatians 6:1-2....Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
That;s Love.
and that you have not because you ask not; and when you ask you ask amiss. to put it upon your on lust that is in your flesh.
as someone said elier they ask only to prove what they know; that is wrong.
I Cor.3:3... For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
for those who are still carnal; and can very well be seen as that; we shall pray for them, their spiritual growth.
I come here for fellowship; to help others grow in the things of God ( spiritually) and to grow more myself, to pray for my sisters and brothers in Christ,,,,,,, and Most of all to glorify God and God only!!!! through our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Galatians 6:1-2....Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
That;s Love.
and that you have not because you ask not; and when you ask you ask amiss. to put it upon your on lust that is in your flesh.
as someone said elier they ask only to prove what they know; that is wrong.
I Cor.3:3... For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
for those who are still carnal; and can very well be seen as that; we shall pray for them, their spiritual growth.
I come here for fellowship; to help others grow in the things of God ( spiritually) and to grow more myself, to pray for my sisters and brothers in Christ,,,,,,, and Most of all to glorify God and God only!!!! through our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ
so then Budee are you saying that Jesus sinned when he called the scribes VIPERS, and told some that they err not knowing scripture
Mt 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of VIPERS, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
He wasn't really belittling their viewpoint, he was aptly naming them what they were. the Phrasees were part of the elect who had neglected their duties big time. It'd be like a pastor finding out that the assistant pastor had been telling people that theres nothing they can do to get into heaven unless they pay them. he called them vipers because that is what they were.
Should we treat other Christians this way? Well i'd have to say someone who have to have really gotten themselves into some crap to be called a viper liek they did. I think context needs to be analized before we can say ''well Jesus called people names, and so can we'' so flippantly.
Should we treat other Christians this way? Well i'd have to say someone who have to have really gotten themselves into some crap to be called a viper liek they did. I think context needs to be analized before we can say ''well Jesus called people names, and so can we'' so flippantly.
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I've found a long time ago that it's O.K. to be wrong sometimes even when you are clearly right. There is a time to not back down and a time to let it go.
I've also found that you don't try to give people all the knowledge that you have, instead give them a sample and a general direction to look and they usually will fill in the blanks or God will be there to introduce them to more truth when they are there. Sometimes people aren't ready eat the whole cow.
I've also found that you don't try to give people all the knowledge that you have, instead give them a sample and a general direction to look and they usually will fill in the blanks or God will be there to introduce them to more truth when they are there. Sometimes people aren't ready eat the whole cow.
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In our attempts to be Christlike, we have to remember that we are not the Messiah, we have gifts, the power of God, and the wisdom to share the gospel, but to judge the thoughts of the heart is something that few, perhaps none in this thread, have the ability to do.
Therefore, you run the risk of injuring, tearing down, and even killing with the tongue or with the word. Matthew 12 was quoted in this thread, specifically, verse 34
'You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? '
If we quote this scripture, we must also read the previous scriptures, such as verse 25, which says ' He knew their thoughts'. There are other scriptures which support the fact that because Jesus was also God, he had the ability to speak specifically into the lives of everyone he met. If anyone on this thread has that ability, let him/her speak up.
We must humble ourselves and admit that there are times when the word of God is a convenient way to make it appear as though God is on our side in a particular discussion, even when we are actually only representing ourselves and putting our scriptural knowledge on display, with no purpose other than to convince ourselves and others, that we are right.
Most here do not know the thoughts of others, we cannot judge the hearts, and we cannot know the affect or the outcome of what we do, or what we say. We must step down from our position as an all knowing God and realize that we must be very careful how we use the word we've been entrusted with. Our knowledge, insights and our words often simply reflect opinion, or 'our own take on things', but because we are christian we attach great significance to everything we say and type, as though our words, scriptures and opinions were delivered to us personally by God.
When Jesus chased the moneychangers from the temple, he knew that the outcome would be that His disciples would remember the prophecy written in Psalm 69, that 'the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up'. Jesus fulfilled all that was spoken of him by the prophets. No one here is able to make that claim.
There are times when we do not have to give careful thought to what we speak, such as when we are standing before those who unlawfully persecute us. In those times, according to the word of God, we will be given everything that we should speak, but these discussions are not the result of being arrested or punished for being christians.
Let us admit that we do not know the hearts of those to whom we are speaking, and that we are incapable of judging the thoughts and intents of the heart, in the way that Jesus did. Let our motivation be for 'soul winning', not just 'winning'.
Therefore, you run the risk of injuring, tearing down, and even killing with the tongue or with the word. Matthew 12 was quoted in this thread, specifically, verse 34
'You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? '
If we quote this scripture, we must also read the previous scriptures, such as verse 25, which says ' He knew their thoughts'. There are other scriptures which support the fact that because Jesus was also God, he had the ability to speak specifically into the lives of everyone he met. If anyone on this thread has that ability, let him/her speak up.
We must humble ourselves and admit that there are times when the word of God is a convenient way to make it appear as though God is on our side in a particular discussion, even when we are actually only representing ourselves and putting our scriptural knowledge on display, with no purpose other than to convince ourselves and others, that we are right.
Most here do not know the thoughts of others, we cannot judge the hearts, and we cannot know the affect or the outcome of what we do, or what we say. We must step down from our position as an all knowing God and realize that we must be very careful how we use the word we've been entrusted with. Our knowledge, insights and our words often simply reflect opinion, or 'our own take on things', but because we are christian we attach great significance to everything we say and type, as though our words, scriptures and opinions were delivered to us personally by God.
When Jesus chased the moneychangers from the temple, he knew that the outcome would be that His disciples would remember the prophecy written in Psalm 69, that 'the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up'. Jesus fulfilled all that was spoken of him by the prophets. No one here is able to make that claim.
There are times when we do not have to give careful thought to what we speak, such as when we are standing before those who unlawfully persecute us. In those times, according to the word of God, we will be given everything that we should speak, but these discussions are not the result of being arrested or punished for being christians.
Let us admit that we do not know the hearts of those to whom we are speaking, and that we are incapable of judging the thoughts and intents of the heart, in the way that Jesus did. Let our motivation be for 'soul winning', not just 'winning'.
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No Keith, I am not saying that at all.
But what I am saying is that the verse you quoted above is John the Baptist speaking and not Jesus. Perhaps you meant to use Matthew 12:34 or Matthew 23:33?
Songster, et al, pretty much hit the nail on the head so I don't see a need to be redundant with any further explanation.
But what I am saying is that the verse you quoted above is John the Baptist speaking and not Jesus. Perhaps you meant to use Matthew 12:34 or Matthew 23:33?
Songster, et al, pretty much hit the nail on the head so I don't see a need to be redundant with any further explanation.
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See! That was beautifuly done between Budee and Thaddeus. Budee made a point, Thaddeus questioned it without being rude and obnoxious and Budee corrected him and suggested maybe he meant something else, and then Thaddeus thanked him gracefully. There was no name calling, nobody bashing scripture in other people's faces, nobody telling someone else they are going to hell because of what they believe, etc. I think if we talked to people like WE want to be talked to (which falls right under love your neighbor as yourself), we'd have better luck. People dont' want to be belittled and verbally attacked, they want to be respected and have their thoughts and ideas heard out and considered before you give them constructive reasons why they may not be correct. Just because someone is wrong, even about something fundamental, doesn't mean you can't hear them out, consider the reasons why they may believe that, and give them good arguments suggesting a new form of thinking. When people feel respected and considered instead of rejected and condemned, they are more likely to at least try and see from YOUR point of view.
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Mt 12:34 'O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh'.
Is there any reason that you left off quoting the last part of the verse that you referred to? You keep claiming that we can not know people's heart. But, isn't Christ telling something about the heart when the mouth speaks? Prov 23:7 tells us that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What are the things that Jesus said comes forth out of the heart;
Mt 15:18,19 'But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies':
Those that are filled with the word and the Spirit are quickened by the word / Ps 119:25,107,154 that is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart / Heb 4:12 and even goes into the core issues of the joints and marrow.
If I am quickened by the word of God, I know when a person's heart is condemning them / 1Jn 3:20,21. I know when a person is obeying the truth through the Spirit and loving the brethren with a pure heart fervently / 1Pt 1:22. I also know that a man who is a hearer of the word and not a doer, is a man that does not bridleth his tongue and deceives his own heart / James 1:25,26. I know when someone has good sound doctrine and not divers and strange doctrine, because their heart is established in grace / Heb 13:9. The doctrine of losing your salvation is hardly a good doctrine that comes from a heart established in grace, in fact it is a very strange doctrine because there is no grace in it.
Concerning the things that are right.
2Pt 2:15 ...there is a right way
Eph 6:1 ...it is right for children to obey their parents
Acts 13:10 ...there are those that pervert the right way of the Lord
Acts 8:21 ...there are those whose hearts are not right and we should discern that as Peter did
Acts 4:19 ...we should harken unto those things that are right in the sight of God
Luke 2:55,56 ...there are times when we need to discern and judge those things that are right
Hosea 14:9 ...the ways of the Lord are right and the just shall walk in them
Is there anything wrong with doing right, or saying what is right, or discerning what is right or having right doctrine and knowledge from the word of God? There was a famous old time preacher who preached a wonderful message entilted, 'Do Right' his famous quote was, 'Do right until the stars fall'. When you see a brother who has fallen on his face in sin, don't walk by and shake your head in condemnation, but stop right where he is at and reach down and give him grace because that is the right thing to do and right in the sight of God. Much shame on anyone who sees his brother in sin and judges in his heart that he must have lost his salvation.
Is there any reason that you left off quoting the last part of the verse that you referred to? You keep claiming that we can not know people's heart. But, isn't Christ telling something about the heart when the mouth speaks? Prov 23:7 tells us that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What are the things that Jesus said comes forth out of the heart;
Mt 15:18,19 'But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies':
Those that are filled with the word and the Spirit are quickened by the word / Ps 119:25,107,154 that is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart / Heb 4:12 and even goes into the core issues of the joints and marrow.
If I am quickened by the word of God, I know when a person's heart is condemning them / 1Jn 3:20,21. I know when a person is obeying the truth through the Spirit and loving the brethren with a pure heart fervently / 1Pt 1:22. I also know that a man who is a hearer of the word and not a doer, is a man that does not bridleth his tongue and deceives his own heart / James 1:25,26. I know when someone has good sound doctrine and not divers and strange doctrine, because their heart is established in grace / Heb 13:9. The doctrine of losing your salvation is hardly a good doctrine that comes from a heart established in grace, in fact it is a very strange doctrine because there is no grace in it.
Concerning the things that are right.
2Pt 2:15 ...there is a right way
Eph 6:1 ...it is right for children to obey their parents
Acts 13:10 ...there are those that pervert the right way of the Lord
Acts 8:21 ...there are those whose hearts are not right and we should discern that as Peter did
Acts 4:19 ...we should harken unto those things that are right in the sight of God
Luke 2:55,56 ...there are times when we need to discern and judge those things that are right
Hosea 14:9 ...the ways of the Lord are right and the just shall walk in them
Is there anything wrong with doing right, or saying what is right, or discerning what is right or having right doctrine and knowledge from the word of God? There was a famous old time preacher who preached a wonderful message entilted, 'Do Right' his famous quote was, 'Do right until the stars fall'. When you see a brother who has fallen on his face in sin, don't walk by and shake your head in condemnation, but stop right where he is at and reach down and give him grace because that is the right thing to do and right in the sight of God. Much shame on anyone who sees his brother in sin and judges in his heart that he must have lost his salvation.
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