I Was Born A Christian

[SarahM777]

Here is an Article you may or may not like........but it has good information........well, in my opinion

Excerpt:

What is the Age of Accountability?

by Gary T. Panell
​

Some people think that God sent babies and young children to hell when He destroyed the world with the flood. This could not be further from the truth. God did not send the children to hell who perished in the flood. Yes, they died, but their spirit went to be with God. This is also the case for all babies and young children throughout history.
We see God's compassion for babies and young children in the book of Jonah in the Bible. In Jonah 3:11 it says, "And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left.?" In Deuteronomy, speaking of children entering the Promised Land, God said, "Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 1:39).
Another passage in the Bible, that makes it abundantly clear that babies and young children go to heaven when they die, is found in 2 Samuel 12. Here is the story of the sin of King David with Bathsheba. David was told by God that he would be judged for his sin, even though he had repented of it--David had given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme Him. The Bible says the baby was struck with sickness and died. We see this part of the story in 2 Samuel 12:13-23. David noticed that the servants were whispering, and understood that the baby had died. The servants thought that David would be very sad and go into mourning and more fasting; David, however, surprised them. Look at 2 Samuel 12: 20, which says, "So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate."

Found Here:


Bible Study: What is the Age of Accountability?


Also, I would like to say that the children who came to Jesus mentioned in John may well have been at the age of accountability for there is no SET age. I know one lady who was raised by a wonderful Christian family, and from early on.......when she could understand........they instructed her in the Word of God. She accepted Jesus as Lord of her life at the age of 8 years old. She is still a wonderful Christian today........a teacher at her church, and beloved mother, grandmother, and an inspiration to all who know her.

REMEMBER the title of this thread...................I WAS BORN A CHRISTIAN............so we are not addressing the exact age one can be born again..............we are addressing if one is BORN a Christian........ Please keep that in mind.

God bless

I don't believe that God condemns little children in the first place. That would go against what Jesus said about little children so....

I know it can happen in very little children. (I am one that can not remember a time I did not believe. I was raised up in the faith,I was sent to a Christian school)

Now whether one can be born again in the womb,I believe two things that point it one again is John the Baptist and the other is a know fact of children in the womb. Remember Paul writes this

Romans 10

[SUP]14 [/SUP]How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? [SUP]15 [/SUP]And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[SUP][h][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

Children in the womb CAN HEAR and LEARN. A mother that is reading the scriptures while with children is preaching the word,he child is hearing the word and faith comes from hearing the word. Remember faith is a GIFT from GOD. This leads me to believe that it is possible for a child to be born again before they are ever born. Can I say there is a definitive answer in scripture? No But is there a definitive answer that a child can not be born again in the womb? No.

I believe this is one of those debatable matters that has no definitive answer. But this is why I believe what I believe on this matter.

 

[SarahM777]

Again, these are special instances............and not addressing the question/statement in the OP........

Born a Christian

I have actually answered all of the questions/you posed in the above quote already Sister........I do not wish to anger you or any such...........but I fully believe to teach that one can be born a Christian.......is a very dangerous teaching.

That infant is surely protected by God........but that infant can not possible fulfill the requirements for being born again.

I have given you a huge amount of information on all of this.........I hope you will at least attempt to set aside whatever disagreement you may have with the premises of the OP statement and read through the information provided to understand why I believe teaching that a new born infant can be born a Christian is so dangerous for that infant.

God bless and keep you and yours........

I am not getting angry.

I have a friend where we go back and forth on a lot of scripture this way,which is a good thing because sometimes we see something that may or may not be there. It helps me out a lot this way. We have a disagreement but that does not mean your not my brother. And sometimes this helps me understand why I believe what I believe.

It gets bad when we start questioning if the other person is saved because they don't believe exactly what I believe. And even more so on disputable matters.

May He richly bless you and keep you

 

[atwhatcost]

And the other choice is what is taught in Scripture. How does an infant child recognize its sinful nature, its sinful life, and the need for Christ? How does this infant child recognize that it is to repent, and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour? How does this infant child manage all of this when it can not even care for itself? Can not feed itself, dress itself, anything. It is completely dependent on its parents for all life sustaining needs. Just as is the new believer dependent on Jesus Christ when reborn............. If a child is not mentally capable of realizing the difference between good and evil, right or wrong, how does that child recognize the need for repentance?

Now as to a hard line specific age? No.........it varies........but we are not born Christians.

God bless

So, God cannot save until someone knows right from wrong? How's that work for you when it comes to intellectually or emotionally disabled? May I assume you believe all aborted babies aren't saved?

Slippery slope just to feel a sense of deserving your salvation.

 

[atwhatcost]

Being born again is an act of God........however, man must repent and turn to God to be born again......God does not new birth those who are unrepentant, those who deny Him. Read John, Chapter 3 for clarification.

You might try reading it again. It is clear in that chapter it is only an act of God. Man's act is always live in darkness to hide our sin. It's in there.

 

[atwhatcost]

Being born again is a choice. Little ones that haven't reached the age of accountability, that die as youngsters, are welcomed to eternal security.

To fail is a conscience decision. Choose to succeed. Choose God.

Want to show me age of accountability in the Bible? I can show you God choosing to hate some and loving others even before they were born. Rom. 9:8-16.

 

[atwhatcost]

Let's go at this from another direction.............show me the Scriptures that state a new born infant repented and turned to Christ and accepted Him as its Lord and Saviour and became a disciple of Christ.

Show me the Scripture where a new born child was able to kneel down and pray and ask forgiveness.

Give me the Scriptural justification for a new born infant being born Christian...........when all mankind is born with a sin nature because of the sin of Adam......



Let us work from that angle. Then we can compare what Scriptures I have given with those you give and we will be better able to discern the truth.

Rom. 9:8-16

So, by your gospel, God sends all aborted babies, intellectual and emotional disabled people to hell?

 

[atwhatcost]

Here is an Article you may or may not like........but it has good information........well, in my opinion

Excerpt:

What is the Age of Accountability?

by Gary T. Panell
​

Some people think that God sent babies and young children to hell when He destroyed the world with the flood. This could not be further from the truth. God did not send the children to hell who perished in the flood. Yes, they died, but their spirit went to be with God. This is also the case for all babies and young children throughout history.
We see God's compassion for babies and young children in the book of Jonah in the Bible. In Jonah 3:11 it says, "And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left.?" In Deuteronomy, speaking of children entering the Promised Land, God said, "Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 1:39).
Another passage in the Bible, that makes it abundantly clear that babies and young children go to heaven when they die, is found in 2 Samuel 12. Here is the story of the sin of King David with Bathsheba. David was told by God that he would be judged for his sin, even though he had repented of it--David had given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme Him. The Bible says the baby was struck with sickness and died. We see this part of the story in 2 Samuel 12:13-23. David noticed that the servants were whispering, and understood that the baby had died. The servants thought that David would be very sad and go into mourning and more fasting; David, however, surprised them. Look at 2 Samuel 12: 20, which says, "So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate."

Found Here:


Bible Study: What is the Age of Accountability?


Also, I would like to say that the children who came to Jesus mentioned in John may well have been at the age of accountability for there is no SET age. I know one lady who was raised by a wonderful Christian family, and from early on.......when she could understand........they instructed her in the Word of God. She accepted Jesus as Lord of her life at the age of 8 years old. She is still a wonderful Christian today........a teacher at her church, and beloved mother, grandmother, and an inspiration to all who know her.

REMEMBER the title of this thread...................I WAS BORN A CHRISTIAN............so we are not addressing the exact age one can be born again..............we are addressing if one is BORN a Christian........ Please keep that in mind.

God bless

Gary Panell made it into the Bible?

 

[p_rehbein]

Rom. 9:8-16

So, by your gospel, God sends all aborted babies, intellectual and emotional disabled people to hell?

Either you do not understand what you are reading, or you haven't bothered to read all of the comments posted........I, and the information provided says JUST THE OPPOSITE. If you are only here to distort........please don't.

 

[p_rehbein]

Gary Panell made it into the Bible?

Again, a distortion..............seriously? Who said anything about him making it into the Bible? But, this is the BDF, so such as this is expected........sigh

 

[p_rehbein]

Want to show me age of accountability in the Bible? I can show you God choosing to hate some and loving others even before they were born. Rom. 9:8-16.

Again, you have not read all of the information/Scriptures provided, or you simply do not understand........but, thanks anyway.......Scriptures are given already.

 

[p_rehbein]

You might try reading it again. It is clear in that chapter it is only an act of God. Man's act is always live in darkness to hide our sin. It's in there.

Sigh...........and again...........you have not read the information provided........See Scriptures concerning Assurance of Salvation. The Truth is in there. But one must be able to understand I suppose.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, God cannot save until someone knows right from wrong? How's that work for you when it comes to intellectually or emotionally disabled? May I assume you believe all aborted babies aren't saved?

Slippery slope just to feel a sense of deserving your salvation.

And AGAIN.........you have distorted what has been said, and ignored the information provided. This is obviously your intent I suspect now.

 

[p_rehbein]

I am not getting angry.

I have a friend where we go back and forth on a lot of scripture this way,which is a good thing because sometimes we see something that may or may not be there. It helps me out a lot this way. We have a disagreement but that does not mean your not my brother. And sometimes this helps me understand why I believe what I believe.

It gets bad when we start questioning if the other person is saved because they don't believe exactly what I believe. And even more so on disputable matters.

May He richly bless you and keep you

Sister.............I truly believe you are a woman of Christ, and have never doubted you whatsoever. God bless you and yours.

 

[PeterJens]

There was only one man ever born into faith, John the Baptist. He had the spirit of God in the womb, but Jesus said he would be the least in the kingdom of God, because he was so unusual.

Being born again for a person growing up in a christian environment is unusual, because you are often faced with two realities. You have always accepted the gospel and its truths but find how they impact on you emotionally is not like a sinner suddenly seeing the light, but a series of small steps.

When I was 18 I read a book about the suffering of Jesus and it blew my mind. How unbelievably dedicated and focused Jesus was, constantly looking towards the goal, with a fixed purpose and intention.

So I would say, we are walking in the light and growing in spiritual depth, but which of the many experiences was "being born again" is in the hands of the Lord.

The church often preaches the revelation experience as foundational, rather than the continual relationship perspective and transformation is everything.

 

[AuphirahQueen]

If you are Genuinely His.. you WILL at some time, KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN predestined by Him, and He will make your Calling and Election .. sure.. there is No Doubt , in a Genuine Believers Mind, that they are Called by Him and Predestined by Him, and Elected by Him.. HE WILL REVEAL THAT TO YOU.. for some its later, for some its earlier, as Ye walk in Him. and He if Faithful to 'keep' you and 'preserve you'...

for example, I have some who make it their job and duty here, to come and question me. 'how do you know your still 'saved'? these from a very large pentecostal group, whose salvation is man based and man worked.. I tell them , its the Witness of the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth that tells me this, confirms it In His Word, Its about God .. keeping me, not about me keeping myself .. Salvation is about God.. not me... then I usually tell them the Scripture how GOD IS ABLE TO KEEP YOU.. then the conversations ends.. Truth always will make the devil turn and flee! indeed

Power of Prayer also, messengers of darkness shall flee. Start praying in a chat room see how folks flee when prayer is taking place.

 

[atwhatcost]

Either you do not understand what you are reading, or you haven't bothered to read all of the comments posted........I, and the information provided says JUST THE OPPOSITE. If you are only here to distort........please don't.

Aborted babies and the disabled mentioned never got to the age of accountability. You were asked for biblical references. You gave a guy's opinion. You do believe we have to know right from wrong to be saved, which I also don't see. (Jesus saves, not our determination of right or wrong. In that very chapter you mentioned, John 3, it even goes into we would never choose right anyway.) So, what did I miss?

 

[atwhatcost]

Does anyone else get this feeling we're damned if we do and damned if we don't by many Christians? Frankly, I wish I got the Good News sooner, than I did. The learning curve for a child is much quicker. And yet, Christians swear I didn't even get it as soon as I did because I sinned afterwards too.

And yet, those who did get the Good News very early are damned anyway, because they couldn't have possibly received divine revelation from God before a certain age, because it's not like God does miracles, or even sets anything up in advance to work out just the way he planned?

There is simply no good time for most, other than the moment it happened to them. Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Thank God, it's his will and not ours. Thank God, he didn't do the damning.

If we don't praise God, the stones will. Thank God, he got us to praise him instead, no matter when he got us!

 

[atwhatcost]

And AGAIN.........you have distorted what has been said, and ignored the information provided. This is obviously your intent I suspect now.

Yes, because I am new, thus, obviously must be a troll.

I see the theme now.

All people who have been on this board longer than me are to be trusted. Anyone who comes to this board after me isn't. It makes debate much easier. Less accurate, but who is worried about accurate, especially while debating God's word?

Here's one you'll like, (since it looks like you've been striving for this end), I am officially angry. I'm really tired of so many assuming stuff about newbies, and only listening to folks who've been around since before April.

I'm trying to get what you're talking about. I see discrepancies. You, on other other hand, simply dismiss people who disagree with you. Enjoy. I'm done.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Power of Prayer also, messengers of darkness shall flee. Start praying in a chat room see how folks flee when prayer is taking place.

oh i've been in prayer rooms, and you know most of them in there were devils, yep.. even the devil attends church services and prayer meetings indeed! and he prays just like the Saints do!.... BUT .. IT Depends on which prayer side your on.. Descending Bablyon prayer, ? the false stuff you see today? the FATHER does not hear that.. their 'father', the devil does, AND acts accordingly, God heareth the Prayer of the Righteous but the Wicked are far from him... even my grandmother, who was an 'idol'.. a devil, they worshipped her, you dont WORSHIP other christians, and she was a 'prayer warrior', according to her 'worshippers'.... funny thing happend after the conversion in 1994, that sect or group, they tried realllllyy hard to mold me into a prayer warrior as 'she lived and breathed'... an 'image' of another christian .. wrong.. lolz.. Oh I KNOW HOW TO PRAY.. and the Devil he knows that. indeed! I will pray as led of the Spirit, and in accordance with His Identity in Christ for me.. not a group or sect or how my 'grandmother' prayed. or 'worshipped'.. that folks is IDOLATRY! TO THE HEART! and will be Judged!

 

[p_rehbein]

Aborted babies and the disabled mentioned never got to the age of accountability. You were asked for biblical references. You gave a guy's opinion. You do believe we have to know right from wrong to be saved, which I also don't see. (Jesus saves, not our determination of right or wrong. In that very chapter you mentioned, John 3, it even goes into we would never choose right anyway.) So, what did I miss?

I certainly did give Biblical references..........you didn't read them...........Check out 2 Samuel which is quoted..........and others as well.........