I Was Born A Christian

[p_rehbein]

Yes, because I am new, thus, obviously must be a troll.

I see the theme now.

All people who have been on this board longer than me are to be trusted. Anyone who comes to this board after me isn't. It makes debate much easier. Less accurate, but who is worried about accurate, especially while debating God's word?

Here's one you'll like, (since it looks like you've been striving for this end), I am officially angry. I'm really tired of so many assuming stuff about newbies, and only listening to folks who've been around since before April.

I'm trying to get what you're talking about. I see discrepancies. You, on other other hand, simply dismiss people who disagree with you. Enjoy. I'm done.

I don't know what you are, or who you are...............and never said you were a troll............but that it appears from your numerous comments that you were not reading all I had posted, and/or did not understand what you were reading. Then you say I didn't provide this or that when I had done so many times in many different posts.

Honestly, I'm kinda glad your done with this thread............thanks and God bless

 

[p_rehbein]

Aborted babies and the disabled mentioned never got to the age of accountability. You were asked for biblical references. You gave a guy's opinion. You do believe we have to know right from wrong to be saved, which I also don't see. (Jesus saves, not our determination of right or wrong. In that very chapter you mentioned, John 3, it even goes into we would never choose right anyway.) So, what did I miss?

How can you not see the Scriptures quoted? Weird......

We see God's compassion for babies and young children in the book of Jonah in the Bible. In Jonah 3:11 it says, "And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left.?" In Deuteronomy, speaking of children entering the Promised Land, God said, "Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 1:39).
Another passage in the Bible, that makes it abundantly clear that babies and young children go to heaven when they die, is found in 2 Samuel 12. Here is the story of the sin of King David with Bathsheba. David was told by God that he would be judged for his sin, even though he had repented of it--David had given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme Him. The Bible says the baby was struck with sickness and died. We see this part of the story in 2 Samuel 12:13-23. David noticed that the servants were whispering, and understood that the baby had died. The servants thought that David would be very sad and go into mourning and more fasting; David, however, surprised them. Look at 2 Samuel 12: 20, which says, "So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate."

 

[VioletReigns]

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

God loves us because He IS love!! He created our hearts to know His love even though we are so easily influenced by what we see and hear all around us. Our reasoning from birth has been conditioned by the world around us. We live what we learn.

From the womb, we buy into the perceptions of the world. We learn to believe the misconceptions about ourselves and everything else. We were formed and conditioned to the world in which we have lived. We estimate ourselves and everybody else in the world by what we have seen and heard and learn by our senses that do not reason according to reality.

The truth is, all of mankind has perceived a creation that is not only a lie, but it does not even exist! Our perceptions have been shaped by people and circumstances since we were born.

The world we imagined as we were growing up never existed. I’m not saying events didn’t happen or people’s deeds didn’t happen. But the world we imagined as a child and growing up has its own sources. It’s not reality, it’s what we were conditioned to believe. Our personal perceptions of life are only shadows. It’s dry bones, a skeletal world with no real life.

But the Lord God has seen the thing that has been created IN HIS OWN IMAGE. And He has loved that thing (you His child) enough to preserve and keep you by bringing it into death so you could be raised to newness of life. He did that through Jesus Christ His Son.

God has always and forever will place the value in the thing He created to be the life of humankind: Christ Jesus. While all this time you and I have struggled to find some kind of value is our estimations and misconceptions of the world, and ourselves too, it is Jesus Christ in us that is the only life in this world.

We can never boast in the nothing of what we mistakenly perceived about ourselves or of the world. Yet God has never been under a delusion of a false reality. It’s always been the judgments of man that are false as we have tried without end to validate our own existent according to our conditioned reasoning. But God has rightly judged the world to death so that the world could be raised in newness of life through Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the whole summation of the life of God in mankind.

We were born in sin. God raised us up through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[royalscot]

How can you not see the Scriptures quoted? Weird......

We see God's compassion for babies and young children in the book of Jonah in the Bible. In Jonah 3:11 it says, "And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left.?" In Deuteronomy, speaking of children entering the Promised Land, God said, "Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 1:39).
Another passage in the Bible, that makes it abundantly clear that babies and young children go to heaven when they die, is found in 2 Samuel 12. Here is the story of the sin of King David with Bathsheba. David was told by God that he would be judged for his sin, even though he had repented of it--David had given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme Him. The Bible says the baby was struck with sickness and died. We see this part of the story in 2 Samuel 12:13-23. David noticed that the servants were whispering, and understood that the baby had died. The servants thought that David would be very sad and go into mourning and more fasting; David, however, surprised them. Look at 2 Samuel 12: 20, which says, "So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate."

when was this speaking to gentiles.

 

[popeye]

And AGAIN.........you have distorted what has been said, and ignored the information provided. This is obviously your intent I suspect now.

I am wondering if AWC is reading your posts through the prism of predestination.

Not sure.

 

[p_rehbein]

I am wondering if AWC is reading your posts through the prism of predestination.

Not sure.

I don't know for sure.........but I do know that from the very beginning of this thread I have stated that God does not condemn little children to hell...........and, yet, she asserts that I have..........go figure.

 

[p_rehbein]

when was this speaking to gentiles.

Two Gospel ideology? Seriously? Do you even realize what your comment here implies? It implies that God DOES NOT love the children of the gentiles, and or the children of the church today as much as He loved the children before Christ took upon the form of man and came to earth to establish His salvation plan. Even for those who believe in a Two Gospel ideology, this is way out there.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Only ONE Gospel, One True Gospel Message, Christ Crucified, and ONe True Christ, God manifest in the flesh, Jesus the Christ,-------> very simple, as Ordained, the Jews, (Israel), thru their Unbelief, ears shut, eyes closed, blindness of the heart, Rejected their Messiah, who was Christ, cut Him off, but thru this blindness of Israel to Who He was, the blindness of the heart, the GENTILES could NOW Inherit the Promises of God, thru Christ's Work on the Tree, One Gospel in the Beginning, Peter , thru the Power of the Resurrected LORD was sent to the Circumcision, the Jews, -------Saul of Tarsus, a Staaaunch Pharisee, the Pharisee of all Pharisees, almost near perfect in his adherence and use of the Law, converted on the Damsucus Road, by the Risen LORD, and it was Revealed to him, that he was to be the Preacher to the Gentiles, the heathen... SENT... he became Paul, the Preacher of the Gentiles... ONE GOSPEL, IN the beginning after His Resurrection, Peter sent to the Circumcision, to preach ...... Paul sent to the un circumcisoion, Heathen Gentiles..... BUT ONE GOSPEL.. as more Converts were added, these that were Ordained to Genuine Salvation, the Gospel Message spread.... ONE GOSPEL...and no Peter was not the 'pope', nor the 'head of the church'.. Christ Himself is the HEAD OF HIS CHURCH.. these who are circumcised in the heart, thru the Spirit, the Circumcision made without human carnal hands.... You have to Go Thru Christ to enter in His Church, and the Father has to GIVE YOU TO CHRIST, so He can redeem you.. thats the only Way it works... men/ women/ young adults who try to climb in or enter in some other way.. are but thieves and robbers Jesus said.... He is the DOOR of the Sheepfold, His True Church, many and I say many today are trying and have tried to enter in some other way, but they will NOT... thru His Blood and His Appeasement at the TRee, is the Only Way, the Gift of Rigtheousness, Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh.

 

[Deliver]

Got to believe that people who've been born with a disability of some sort, who cannot make choices for themselves for some reason are made allowances for.

You must be born again, that means at some stage in your life you need to recognise that you are a sinner and repent and be baptised in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ, vowing to follow him and commit your life to Him.
Regardless of what age, you need to reach 'that age of understanding'.

People who have grown up in Christian families still need to make that individual choice for themselves one day.

As for people who've never left their church from birth, and have loved The Lord their entire lives, that is a wonderful - and rare - testimony to have, but we are all born in sin to start so we all start out wrong and must make a choice.

You reach the age of understanding when you know what you are doing when you vow to commit to The Lord. It may be as a young child but it is usually when one reaches their teens.

John was an exception because of his calling.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

'when did it become 'their' church'? 'our church does this' our church does that to merit Christ.

mmmmm therein lies the Deception, ONE True Chruch, Christ as the Head, not a smorgasboard of this and that, different methods of salvation, different 'ways' to be Saved... SO many and I say MANY, IN THE MILLIONS, PROBABLY billions are going to realize it wasnt 'their church', nor their Salvation, to BEGIN with.. by that time it will be TOOO late..

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Got to believe that people who've been born with a disability of some sort, who cannot make choices for themselves for some reason are made allowances for.

You must be born again, that means at some stage in your life you need to recognise that you are a sinner and repent and be baptised in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ, vowing to follow him and commit your life to Him.
Regardless of what age, you need to reach 'that age of understanding'.

People who have grown up in Christian families still need to make that individual choice for themselves one day.

As for people who've never left their church from birth, and have loved The Lord their entire lives, that is a wonderful - and rare - testimony to have, but we are all born in sin to start so we all start out wrong and must make a choice.

You reach the age of understanding when you know what you are doing when you vow to commit to The Lord. It may be as a young child but it is usually when one reaches their teens.

John was an exception because of his calling.

I think 2 Samuel 9 addresses the issue of those disabled.