"If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his..."

[garee]

i just asked jesus to give me his spirit

Yes it would quite difficult for him to give us his corrupted flesh that he himself said it profits for nothing . One body per person.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The Spirit of Christ. The anointing Holy Spirit of God dwells in all beleive .The work of his Spirit did profit. It strengthened the Son of man so that together as one they could finish the work .It brought the peace that surpasses our understanding. .

In the end giving us His bride, his understanding

 

[garee]

You continue to promote your Gnosticism and sincerely believe that you are correct. But with all due respect, the above post is TOTAL NONSENSE. Garee are you ever going to learn the truth since you call everything a parable?

I simply repeat the law of interpretation needed to rightly divide the parables . 2 Corinthians 4:18

Without parable Christ spoke not. Parables make up the poetic tongue of God. In that way the whole Bible is a parable .The unseen spirutl understanding must be sought out. The unseen Spirit that works in us can give us the words of His will and empower us to perform them .

It does not make the literal understanding (historical )to no effect. It give understanding in the parables revealing the mysteries of faith .Some look to the surface and do not search for the silver and gold. The golden measure of faith are the parables also called the "hidden Manna".

Don't be afraid to rightly divide them .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[garee]

Bafflegab.

Jesus IS Lord.

Amen. . .Yes he is. And the Son of man is man .

God is not a man . Three thing make God, God. and not gods. God is light .God is Spirit .God is Love.

 

[EternalFire]

i just asked jesus to give me his spirit

Obey Jesus and he will do just as you ask.

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you (John 14:15-17)."

 

[Dino246]

Amen. . .Yes he is. And the Son of man is man .

God is not a man . Three thing make God, God. and not gods. God is light .God is Spirit .God is Love.

Yes, we know God is not a man. Your tiresome repetition adds nothing to the conversation.

Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son of man. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is the Christ. Jesus is (was) a man. Jesus is Lord.

Please don't repeat your bafflegab. If you have something intelligent and clearly Scripture-based to offer, then please do so.

 

[stepbystep]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John, 1:1-3

Jesus is God.

I and my father are one. John 10:30

Jesus is God.

If you have known me, you should have known my Father also; and from henceforth you know him, and have seen him. John 14:7

Jesus is God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

From Romans 8:9

So many who frequent the BDF claim to know Christ but don't even know what His spirit is, or how to know whether someone has (or has not) the Spirit of Christ.
As a side result, because they don't know how to tell what it is, or if the Spirit of Christ is in someone else, they actually don't know if it(He) is in themselves.

I'll let the readers debate this topic but please understand that your salvation kind of depends on getting the answer right.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Israel (jacob) as God changed Jacob's name to be called "Israel" is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11.

King David got himself into big trouble with God because he instructed that "HIS" kingdom (God's elect) to be counted. This stands as a warning to God's regenerated people, not to try to figure out who his elect are. Some times his elect are participating in some very bad behaviour that it would be very hard to determine who is and who is not.

 

[Dino246]

I simply repeat the law of interpretation needed to rightly divide the parables . 2 Corinthians 4:18

That isn't "the law of interpretation". It is not called that anywhere in Scripture; that's merely your made-up term.

Without parable Christ spoke not.

You have taken this verse out of context, misunderstood it, and misapplied it, repeatedly.

Parables make up the poetic tongue of God. In that way the whole Bible is a parable .

Hogwash. Again, nothing in Scripture supports your assertions.

 

[garee]

That isn't "the law of interpretation". It is not called that anywhere in Scripture; that's merely your made-up term.


You have taken this verse out of context, misunderstood it, and misapplied it, repeatedly.


Hogwash. Again, nothing in Scripture supports your assertions.

I have not made anything up the law of interpretation (2 Corinthians 4:18) is plain to see.

Without parables Christ spoke not makes it repeatedly. The verse does not say sometimes Christ spoke in a poetic tongue. and sometimes are periodically he hid the unseen eternal understanding.

Hog wash. Nothing proves nothing. You have not proved anything. Where is the scripture that supports your ideas?

 

[Dino246]

I have not made anything up the law of interpretation (2 Corinthians 4:18) is plain to see.

You don't read too good. The term "the law of interpretation" is what you made up (along with many other things).

Without parables Christ spoke not makes it repeatedly. The verse does not say sometimes Christ spoke in a poetic tongue. and sometimes are periodically he hid the unseen eternal understanding.

Jesus explained His parables. If He never spoke except in parables, His explanations of parables would themselves be parables. When Jesus said, "Your faith has made you well," was that a parable? No. When Jesus said, "What do you see?" was that a parable? No. When Jesus said, "Not one stone will be left upon another," was that a parable? For the third time, NO. Goodness, man, use the brain God gave you.

Hog wash. Nothing proves nothing. You have not proved anything. Where is the scripture that supports your ideas?

What a stupid question! How does one prove something is not in Scripture? Would you like me to post the entire Bible to prove it? How ridiculous!

smh...

 

[crossnote]

I simply repeat the law of interpretation needed to rightly divide the parables . 2 Corinthians 4:18

Without parable Christ spoke not. Parables make up the poetic tongue of God. In that way the whole Bible is a parable .The unseen spirutl understanding must be sought out. The unseen Spirit that works in us can give us the words of His will and empower us to perform them .

It does not make the literal understanding (historical )to no effect. It give understanding in the parables revealing the mysteries of faith .Some look to the surface and do not search for the silver and gold. The golden measure of faith are the parables also called the "hidden Manna".

Don't be afraid to rightly divide them .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

If the 'inner meaning' has no consistent link to the 'surface message' then it is a Fig Newton of one's imagination.

 

[oldethennew]

yes, trying to fig-ure things out Biblically/properly is different for each of us -
our prayer is that we will all remain loyal and steadfast in our blessed journey,
all the while seeking peace, joy and the eternal life that our Heavenly Father
has so graciously offered/gifted to us...

 

[garee]

You don't read too good. The term "the law of interpretation" is what you made up (along with many other things).


Jesus explained His parables. If He never spoke except in parables, His explanations of parables would themselves be parables. When Jesus said, "Your faith has made you well," was that a parable? No. When Jesus said, "What do you see?" was that a parable? No. When Jesus said, "Not one stone will be left upon another," was that a parable? For the third time, NO. Goodness, man, use the brain God gave you.


What a stupid question! How does one prove something is not in Scripture? Would you like me to post the entire Bible to prove it? How ridiculous!

smh...

So then 2 Corinthians 4:18 is not a law by which we must reason and search as for silver or gold the unseen understanding? . Is it Just a theory?

And the things not seen are not eternal, and the need of mixing faith is not required when dividing the parables.?

Is that what you are trying to sell as the gospel?

Yes, the explanation of parable is part of the parable .No explanation it remains a mystery .Mysteries made known are purposely hid in the poetic tongue of God.

And yes your faith the unseen that works from within ,the faith of Christ is eternal it does not come from oneself the temporal .

And every time he spoke a parable the question was "what to you see or understand" . Parables are used to teach the believer how to walk by faith. . the unseen eternal . Parables hide the unseen eternal from natural man .Without parables Christ spoke not. Not spoke sometimes. Its the poetic language beginning in Genesis through Revelation.

The problem with literalist. . sign and wonder seekers. They miss out on the prophecy using parables. They look to the temporal historical but refuse to look under the surface .

They try and sell the idea that parables are to tell a story to make a point .Like good fiction is the best way to tell truth To them who walk by sight not mixing faith in what they hear or see.

Hebrew 4 informs us the literalist have no gospel rest. .Looking at the temporal literal . By passing the eternal they refuse to use the laws of interpretations . At the most as value parables they make good children's stories.

Yes exactly how does one prove something is not in Scripture? Yet for all that those who you support making a sound and falling backward according to the poetic tongue of God .They do not need to understand how it offends the spirit of judgement . .Just believe in what they call sign gifts. Nothing proves nothing to them that wonder and do not belive.as it is written. They would like to beleive wondering or marveling is believing.. . . exercising faith

 

[garee]

If the 'inner meaning' has no consistent link to the 'surface message' then it is a Fig Newton of one's imagination.

Yes the temporal seen must be compared to the eternal not seen .

The apostles on a occasion when Jesus was using parables to show and teach them how to walk by faith. He used a series of parables Hiding the Fig Newton understanding.

It would send them off marveling wondering using one's imagination. And while still wondering he would offer another. . It became so confusing to the apostles that they decided to look for another teacher as in who is the greatest Alfa Dog.
That misunderstanding of the parable revealed they were looking to the temporal things seen and not mixing faith the eternal understanding. Jesus who stood 2 feet from them. They made Jesus into a Fig Newton.

They thought Jesus went off the deep end .After a few more parable verse 55 .He rebuked them and informed them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of (the temporal) no eternal vision. no faith, faithless

The goal of faith is to believe the unseen understanding of parables . Not marveling and wondering, doubting. (no faith believing.)

And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9: 43-46

Again we reason by faith

 

[crossnote]

Yes the temporal seen must be compared to the eternal not seen .

The apostles on a occasion when Jesus was using parables to show and teach them how to walk by faith. He used a series of parables Hiding the Fig Newton understanding.

It would send them off marveling wondering using one's imagination. And while still wondering he would offer another. . It became so confusing to the apostles that they decided to look for another teacher as in who is the greatest Alfa Dog.
That misunderstanding of the parable revealed they were looking to the temporal things seen and not mixing faith the eternal understanding. Jesus who stood 2 feet from them. They made Jesus into a Fig Newton.

They thought Jesus went off the deep end .After a few more parable verse 55 .He rebuked them and informed them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of (the temporal) no eternal vision. no faith, faithless

The goal of faith is to believe the unseen understanding of parables . Not marveling and wondering, doubting. (no faith believing.)

And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9: 43-46

Again we reason by faith

@garee, let me be frank.
The Holy Spirit is in every true Christian leading and guiding them according to His Word.
The Holy Spirit is the Author of the Scriptures.
So it follows that if someone consistently comes up with an interpretation that is far removed from that of their brothers and sisters in Christ, there is something wrong with that picture and we are most likely dealing with another spirit.
You seem to hint that you and only a few have insight into Christ's parables, when in fact many of your brothers and sisters in Christ also have His Spirit.
I believe your so called 'hidden knowledge' fits the above scenario. Selah.

 

[Dino246]

So then 2 Corinthians 4:18 is not a law by which we must reason and search as for silver or gold the unseen understanding? . Is it Just a theory?

And the things not seen are not eternal, and the need of mixing faith is not required when dividing the parables.?

Is that what you are trying to sell as the gospel?

Have I claimed anywhere that I am "selling" anything as the gospel? No. I'm telling you that 2 Corinthians 4:18 is not called "the law of interpretation" by anyone other than you, so nobody else is going to know what you mean when you use that term. In other words, you're wasting your time using a term you invented. If you humbled yourself and took a class or read a book about biblical interpretation you would discover many principles of interpretation, none of which is called "the law of interpretation". I strongly suspect that verse would not even be mentioned.

Yes, the explanation of parable is part of the parable .No explanation it remains a mystery .Mysteries made known are purposely hid in the poetic tongue of God.

The explanation of the parable cannot possibly be part of the parable. If it were, it would itself have an explanation, which would have an explanation, which would have an explanation, ad infinitum. That's nonsensical! There is the parable and, separately, the explanation of the parable, period.

And every time he spoke a parable the question was "what to you see or understand" .

I asked you about instances where He healed and answered straightforward questions, not about cases where He spoke in parables.

Parables are used to teach the believer how to walk by faith.

No; parables are used to hide the true meaning from unbelievers. Your resistance to this simple idea is amazing.

The problem with literalist. . sign and wonder seekers. They miss out on the prophecy using parables. They look to the temporal historical but refuse to look under the surface .

I don't know who these mysterious "they" are, but you would do better to deal with real people, not a mystery population that exists only in your head.

Hebrew 4 informs us the literalist have no gospel rest. .Looking at the temporal literal . By passing the eternal they refuse to use the laws of interpretations . At the most as value parables they make good children's stories.

There is nothing whatsoever in Hebrews 4 about "the literalist". Stop inventing ideas and saying they are in Scripture.

 

[garee]

@garee, let me be frank.
The Holy Spirit is in every true Christian leading and guiding them according to His Word.
The Holy Spirit is the Author of the Scriptures.
So it follows that if someone consistently comes up with an interpretation that is far removed from that of their brothers and sisters in Christ, there is something wrong with that picture and we are most likely dealing with another spirit.
You seem to hint that you and only a few have insight into Christ's parables, when in fact many of your brothers and sisters in Christ also have His Spirit.
I believe your so called 'hidden knowledge' fits the above scenario. Selah.

Thanks that is kind of you.

Its not about us. That's a Peter the serial denier who thought he was the key that unlocked the gates of hell . he was forgeiven of his blapsphemy against the Son of man jesus. today that would be imporible or ever again . One propmied denonstration.

Parables teach us how to walk by faith a undersatanding not of our own selves

Looking at Luke 9 or Mark 9 When the disciples were left in a state of confusion wondering marveling over the parables not understanding their hidden meaning. They started the Alfa Dog who is the greatest teacher.

Looks like they thought Jesus went off the deep end speaking like a baby to me. Why do you think they played "who is the alfa dog" If they did understand the parable. over and over to help them understand what it mean to walk by faith.

I think hidden knowledge is represented by hidden manna in Revelation 2. Manna, the bread of unfamiliarity. the food the disciples knew not of . . .doing the will of the father that works in the creature to both will and do His god pleasure.

Manna literally meaning "what is it" . The multitude of Israelites sought after the bread of familiarity . Egypt. Slavery 7 days a week With no sabbath rest propmised through Abraham to them so that they could reflect on the gospel of their salvation. The Spirit of Christ moved the leaders with the bread of unfamiliarity.

In that way. hot or cold. never lukewarm

Have I claimed anywhere that I am "selling" anything as the gospel? No. I'm telling you that 2 Corinthians 4:18 is not called "the law of interpretation" by anyone other than you, so nobody else is going to know what you mean when you use that term. In other words, you're wasting your time using a term you invented. If you humbled yourself and took a class or read a book about biblical interpretation you would discover many principles of interpretation, none of which is called "the law of interpretation". I strongly suspect that verse would not even be mentioned.


The explanation of the parable cannot possibly be part of the parable. If it were, it would itself have an explanation, which would have an explanation, which would have an explanation, ad infinitum. That's nonsensical! There is the parable and, separately, the explanation of the parable, period.


I asked you about instances where He healed and answered straightforward questions, not about cases where He spoke in parables.


No; parables are used to hide the true meaning from unbelievers. Your resistance to this simple idea is amazing.


I don't know who these mysterious "they" are, but you would do better to deal with real people, not a mystery population that exists only in your head.


There is nothing whatsoever in Hebrews 4 about "the literalist". Stop inventing ideas and saying they are in Scripture.

They should know it was a law and not a philosophical theory by reading it and obeying the commandment .Beleive what it says. And not a suggestion as you insist. . God is declaring it as law. as it is written "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment" Not our severe affliction are forever in purgatory .

The word of God is living abiding as evidence it demands a verdict (Not a theory) . Nothing proves nothing. If we want to seek the understanding of God is it necessary to apply what I call the laws of interpretation .. . Believing what is written . . .Like. . . "for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

Can we make it to no effect by following the literal historical? Turning things upside down and take away the Potters understanding.?

2 Corinthians 4:17-18 King James Version (KJV) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

 

[Dino246]

They should know it was a law and not a philosophical theory by reading it and obeying the commandment .

"They" weren't implying anything about it being merely a philosophical theory. "They" also know that a statement in the Bible is not necessarily a "commandment". Further, "they" don't invent terms to describe single verses and then expect others to accept those terms as authoritative. In short, "they" have far better understanding than you of Scripture and the principles for interpreting it.

Beleive what it says. And not a suggestion as you insist. . God is declaring it as law.

No, it's not "law". It's a statement in Scripture; that's all.

as it is written "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment" Not our severe affliction are forever in purgatory .

Irrelevant blather. Learn how to stay on topic.

The word of God is living abiding as evidence it demands a verdict (Not a theory) .

"Evidence that demands a verdict" is not Scripture, but the title of a book written about Scripture.

If we want to seek the understanding of God is it necessary to apply what I call the laws of interpretation .. . Believing what is written . . .Like. . . "for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

You can call them what you like, but don't expect others to agree with either your private interpretation or with your terminology, especially when they aren't supported by Scripture.

The issue is that you don't believe what is written. You reinterpret it by assuming it's a parable and looking for some esoteric meaning that you alone "discover" and call "the hidden gospel understanding". You haven't yet given an example of this "understanding" that anyone else would describe as such.

 

[crossnote]

Thanks that is kind of you.

Its not about us. That's a Peter the serial denier who thought he was the key that unlocked the gates of hell . he was forgeiven of his blapsphemy against the Son of man jesus. today that would be imporible or ever again . One propmied denonstration.

Parables teach us how to walk by faith a undersatanding not of our own selves

Looking at Luke 9 or Mark 9 When the disciples were left in a state of confusion wondering marveling over the parables not understanding their hidden meaning. They started the Alfa Dog who is the greatest teacher.

Looks like they thought Jesus went off the deep end speaking like a baby to me. Why do you think they played "who is the alfa dog" If they did understand the parable. over and over to help them understand what it mean to walk by faith.

I think hidden knowledge is represented by hidden manna in Revelation 2. Manna, the bread of unfamiliarity. the food the disciples knew not of . . .doing the will of the father that works in the creature to both will and do His god pleasure.

Manna literally meaning "what is it" . The multitude of Israelites sought after the bread of familiarity . Egypt. Slavery 7 days a week With no sabbath rest propmised through Abraham to them so that they could reflect on the gospel of their salvation. The Spirit of Christ moved the leaders with the bread of unfamiliarity.

In that way. hot or cold. never lukewarm

The difference is that the disciples at that time hadn't yet been born again, and if they were born again they, like the Corinthians, were carnal.
Paul spoke to us quite plainly and not in parables 2Cor 3:12. You do not need to speak to your brothers and sisters in Christ using parables.

 

[oldethennew]

Cross, so you are sharing that the 'saved' CAN and DO 'go back to their carnality'!!!
and this is exactly what COR. says...