If Christ or the apostles did not change the Sabbath, who did?

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Who do you think Changed the Sabbath law?

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EhMan

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Why is the Saturday (7thday) Sabbath?

The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments and the Sabbaths of the ceremonial law distinguished Israel from all other nations. The Sabbaths bound them to God as His covenant people. God called the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments a sign between Him and His people forever, because it was He who sanctified them (Exodus 31:17).
The Ten Commandments are a reflection of God’s character. They show us how we can live to honor God and become more like Him in our attitudes and actions. The first four commandments pertain to our relationship with God and the last six commandments pertain to our relationship with people. Taken together they can be summed up with the words of Jesus:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:37-40).
Taken individually, there is an inescapable logic to nine of the Ten Commandments. It is obvious why we should not kill, and why we should not lie to each other or steal from each other.
However, the Fourth Commandment, or Sabbath Commandment, is different from the other nine. There is no implicit logic in this Commandment. There is no specific reason why we should keep the seventh-day Sabbath, other than that God specifically commanded it. More than any other Commandment, the Sabbath is a test of faith

The Origin of the Sabbath
In order to understand the significance of the Sabbath, we have to turn to its origins. The seventh-day Sabbath is not a Jewish institution, but was established at Creation (Genesis 2:1-3). The Sabbath commandment serves as a reminder of God’s creative act (Exodus 20:11). And in Deuteronomy 5:15, the Sabbath serves as a sign of God’s redemptive act:
And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day (NKJV).
All humans are slaves to sin, and God in Jesus Christ brought us out of sin with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. The Bible teaches us that Christ Himself is the Creator (Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2). The seventh-day Sabbath, therefore, is a test of obedience and an everlasting memorial of Christ’s goodness.
The significance of the Sabbath as a test cannot be overestimated. God could have chosen any memorial to His creative act, but He chose a memorial set in time: a weekly day of rest. Time cannot be eliminated in the same way that a physical memorial, such as a city or holy place, could be.
The knowledge of the seventh-day Sabbath has been preserved by God through the centuries since the days of Jesus and has been observed in many areas around the world. Never has there been a time in which God's people somewhere did not observe the seventh-day Sabbath.
If Christ Himself instituted the Sabbath day of rest for us (Mark 2:27), would He change it? Jesus kept the Sabbath day faithfully. The disciples of Jesus likewise kept the Sabbath day (Acts 13:14, 16:13). The seventh-day Sabbath is taught throughout the Bible, while Sunday sacredness is not mentioned once. If Christ or the apostles did not change the Sabbath, who did?
 

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EhMan

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Sorry People the Poll was my bad, and I cant edit it or erase it anyways, less someone can tell me how!!!
 
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EhMan

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Everyday isn't the Sabbath...there is no other day that the Lord Blessed,Hallowed and Sanctified....you dont give any consideration to this??? Don't you believe that God has a purpose of why the Sabbath is special and is more important than all the other days?
 
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rainacorn

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Not a bad subject. That's why there are like a thousand threads about this.

Your poll alone earned this:
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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The answer can be found early on in church history. Many think it was Constantine and the early Catholics that changed the sabbath but this assumptions isn't accurate.

Technically the Sabbath has never really changed. Keep in mind that the Sabbath is a day of rest and meditation on the word. As for corporate worship, while traditionally a part of the Sabbath, I don't recall this ever being a rule of the sabbath. I could be wrong though.

Early Christians decided to change the day when they would meet corporately when the Jews started facing heavy persecution from the Romans after the 2nd exile of the Jews. This was their way of trying to distinguish themselves from the Jews in order to avoid further Romans persecution. By the time Constantine came into the equation, Sunday worship was the norm for most of the early church.
 
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ezekialswheel

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The answer to the question is one word. CONSTATINE.

Constantine changed the day from the Seventh day to the first day of the week presumably to promote peace between the Christians and the Pagans in Rome at the time. He did it in the year 421.

Constantine was a questionable convert to Christianity based on a dream he had about a flag with a cross on it.

After seeing some of what he did after his conversion to Christianity, I would be hard pressed to say he was converted at all. But only God knows that.

Anyway, that is the answer to that question. CONSTANTINE.

I think its interesting to note on this subject though is what the catholics have to say about it. Not quoting here but this is the gist of it. "You protestants PAY HOMAGE to the Catholic church every week when you worship on Sunday! Because there is no scripture from Genesis to Revelation that allows you to do so. The Catholic Church claims athority to change the day and when you worship on that day , you pay homage to the Mother Church. The Catholic Church."

Very interesting and SHOULD make any serious bible student think twice about what he believes and why he believes it. Have a good day.
 
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ezekialswheel

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FireOnTheAltar said:
The answer can be found early on in church history. Many think it was Constantine and the early Catholics that changed the sabbath but this assumptions isn't accurate.

Technically the Sabbath has never really changed. Keep in mind that the Sabbath is a day of rest and meditation on the word. As for corporate worship, while traditionally a part of the Sabbath, I don't recall this ever being a rule of the sabbath. I could be wrong though.

Early Christians decided to change the day when they would meet corporately when the Jews started facing heavy persecution from the Romans after the 2nd exile of the Jews. This was their way of trying to distinguish themselves from the Jews in order to avoid further Romans persecution. By the time Constantine came into the equation, Sunday worship was the norm for most of the early church.
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True, what he said was ,"TECHNICALLY it was NEVER changed." hahahha, I LOVE it. Why? Well lemme ask a question. WHO has authority to change Gods Law? Anyone you know? No one? Can Mathew change Gods law? What about Mark? Can Paul change Gods law? No...and niether can Constantine.

Its interesting to note....25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: thats Daniel 7:25, this is prophecy concerning this very subject. Notice that he would THINK to change times and Laws. Thats because God does not change. Niether does His Law. We might THINK it does but it doesnt. Period.

Also you might be wondering who HE is in this scripture. Lol. Look it up friends. Daniel 7
 
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Israel

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ezekialswheel said:
The answer to the question is one word. CONSTATINE.

Constantine changed the day from the Seventh day to the first day of the week presumably to promote peace between the Christians and the Pagans in Rome at the time. He did it in the year 421.

Constantine was a questionable convert to Christianity based on a dream he had about a flag with a cross on it.

After seeing some of what he did after his conversion to Christianity, I would be hard pressed to say he was converted at all. But only God knows that.

Anyway, that is the answer to that question. CONSTANTINE.

I think its interesting to note on this subject though is what the catholics have to say about it. Not quoting here but this is the gist of it. "You protestants PAY HOMAGE to the Catholic church every week when you worship on Sunday! Because there is no scripture from Genesis to Revelation that allows you to do so. The Catholic Church claims athority to change the day and when you worship on that day , you pay homage to the Mother Church. The Catholic Church."

Very interesting and SHOULD make any serious bible student think twice about what he believes and why he believes it. Have a good day.
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I used to believe this. But if the law is spiritual, how then could Constantine or anyone else for that matter change any law? We are all to blame for this as we constantly try to fit God into a day that is made after corruptible man. Saturday will always be disputed as will any other day of the week.
 
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Laodicea

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Israel said:
I used to believe this. But if the law is spiritual, how then could Constantine or anyone else for that matter change any law? We are all to blame for this as we constantly try to fit God into a day that is made after corruptible man. Saturday will always be disputed as will any other day of the week.
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Daniel 7:25
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

It says he would think to change times and laws but in reality no one can change God's law they only think they can.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
Christ is now our Sabbath. In Christ we find our rest :)
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Actually I believe this and believe I heard the same. Christ is our rest and what do we do in church? Rest in the Spirit don't we in a way? In Christ we find rest.
 
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ezekialswheel

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Uh oh, I just read this....Early Christians decided to change the day when they would meet corporately when the Jews started facing heavy persecution from the Romans after the 2nd exile of the Jews. This was their way of trying to distinguish themselves from the Jews in order to avoid further Romans persecution. By the time Constantine came into the equation, Sunday worship was the norm for most of the early church.

This isnt right, as a matter of fact I think the Christians were being burned at the stake about this time not because of there association with Jews but there association with Christ. Since when has early Christianity had any "association with Judaism? The Jews hunted them to kill them as much as the Romans did or more. Furthermore the Romans would rap Christians up in bloody rags and feed them to the wild animals, they were regularly killed for entertainment purposes.Horrific stuff.

I have NEVER heard of any historical document that could back up this claim that "keeping Sunday was normal for the early church before Constantine", if you dont mind me saying this sounds EXZACTLY like something some modern day historical revisionist protestant would come up with to try to excuse the fact that they are worshipping on the wrong day. Ive heard em all and none hold water that I know of.

Paul kept the Sabbath as well as all the other apostles, as if it matters anyway because what we want to do is what Christ did. And Christ kept the Law. early Church fathers dont matter either ultimately. Only scripture. Solo Scriptoris yes?
 
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Crazy4GODword

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It doesn't matter whether Sunday or Saturday...actually look up Jewish sabbath i believe it was really Friday to us but sabbath to them.
 
loveschild

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  1. Mark 16:9
    Now Jesus, having risen [ from death] early on the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had driven out seven demons.
    Mark 16:8-10 (in Context) Mark 16 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Luke 24:1
    BUT ON the first day of the week, at early dawn, [the women] went to the tomb, taking the spices which they had made ready.
    Luke 24:1-3 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter)



  1. John 20:1
    NOW ON the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from (lifted out of the groove across the entrance of) the tomb.
    John 20:1-3 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter)
  2. John 20:19
    Then on that same first day of the week, when it was evening, though the disciples were behind closed doors for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace to you!
    John 20:18-20 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Acts 20:7
    And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled together to break bread [ the Lord's Supper], Paul discoursed with them, intending to leave the next morning; and he kept on with his message until midnight.
    Acts 20:6-8 (in Context) Acts 20 (Whole Chapter)
  4. 1 Corinthians 16:2
    On the first [day] of each week, let each one of you [personally] put aside something and save it up as he has prospered [in proportion to what he is given], so that no collections will need to be taken after I come.
    1 Corinthians 16:1-3 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 16 (Whole Chapter)
 
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Scotth1960

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EhMan said:
Why is the Saturday (7thday) Sabbath?

The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments and the Sabbaths of the ceremonial law distinguished Israel from all other nations. The Sabbaths bound them to God as His covenant people. God called the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments a sign between Him and His people forever, because it was He who sanctified them (Exodus 31:17).
The Ten Commandments are a reflection of God’s character. They show us how we can live to honor God and become more like Him in our attitudes and actions. The first four commandments pertain to our relationship with God and the last six commandments pertain to our relationship with people. Taken together they can be summed up with the words of Jesus:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:37-40).
Taken individually, there is an inescapable logic to nine of the Ten Commandments. It is obvious why we should not kill, and why we should not lie to each other or steal from each other.
However, the Fourth Commandment, or Sabbath Commandment, is different from the other nine. There is no implicit logic in this Commandment. There is no specific reason why we should keep the seventh-day Sabbath, other than that God specifically commanded it. More than any other Commandment, the Sabbath is a test of faith

The Origin of the Sabbath
In order to understand the significance of the Sabbath, we have to turn to its origins. The seventh-day Sabbath is not a Jewish institution, but was established at Creation (Genesis 2:1-3). The Sabbath commandment serves as a reminder of God’s creative act (Exodus 20:11). And in Deuteronomy 5:15, the Sabbath serves as a sign of God’s redemptive act:
And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day (NKJV).
All humans are slaves to sin, and God in Jesus Christ brought us out of sin with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. The Bible teaches us that Christ Himself is the Creator (Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2). The seventh-day Sabbath, therefore, is a test of obedience and an everlasting memorial of Christ’s goodness.
The significance of the Sabbath as a test cannot be overestimated. God could have chosen any memorial to His creative act, but He chose a memorial set in time: a weekly day of rest. Time cannot be eliminated in the same way that a physical memorial, such as a city or holy place, could be.
The knowledge of the seventh-day Sabbath has been preserved by God through the centuries since the days of Jesus and has been observed in many areas around the world. Never has there been a time in which God's people somewhere did not observe the seventh-day Sabbath.
If Christ Himself instituted the Sabbath day of rest for us (Mark 2:27), would He change it? Jesus kept the Sabbath day faithfully. The disciples of Jesus likewise kept the Sabbath day (Acts 13:14, 16:13). The seventh-day Sabbath is taught throughout the Bible, while Sunday sacredness is not mentioned once. If Christ or the apostles did not change the Sabbath, who did?
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Dear friend,
Christ nowhere commanded the Apostles "keep the sabbath". He didn't have to tell them about one particular day. His teaching was to keep EVERY day holy, not just a once a week holiness. The early Church kept the sabbath but they also keep the first day of the week (see Acts). Keeping the sabbath is no longer required for a Christian, because every day is holy, and the sabbaths were for Israel. So no one can judge a Christian about sabbaths. See Colossians 2:16 NKJV "So let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or an new moon or sabbaths, ..." see verse 17: "which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." The old Saturday sabbath is but a shadow of things to come, the old Testament feasts are a shadow; the substance is Christ crucified and Christ risen from the dead. Christ's resurrection from the dead, not Saturday sabbath-keeping, is what justifies (saves) a Christian. By the works of the Law (sabbath keeping, Jewish dietary laws, Jewish temple animal sacrifices), shall no flesh (no one) be justfied (saved).
God bless you.
 
Megatron

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yawn...instead of asking 'who did?' perhaps we should ask 'outside of a few people whith clearly nothing better to do with their time...who cares?'
 
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rainacorn

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Megatron said:
yawn...instead of asking 'who did?' perhaps we should ask 'outside of a few people whith clearly nothing better to do with their time...who cares?'
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If we start asking that question around here, we'll never stop.
 
daddycat

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Scotth1960 said:
Dear friend,
Christ nowhere commanded the Apostles "keep the sabbath". He didn't have to tell them about one particular day. His teaching was to keep EVERY day holy, not just a once a week holiness. The early Church kept the sabbath but they also keep the first day of the week (see Acts). Keeping the sabbath is no longer required for a Christian, because every day is holy, and the sabbaths were for Israel. So no one can judge a Christian about sabbaths. See Colossians 2:16 NKJV "So let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or an new moon or sabbaths, ..." see verse 17: "which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." The old Saturday sabbath is but a shadow of things to come, the old Testament feasts are a shadow; the substance is Christ crucified and Christ risen from the dead. Christ's resurrection from the dead, not Saturday sabbath-keeping, is what justifies (saves) a Christian. By the works of the Law (sabbath keeping, Jewish dietary laws, Jewish temple animal sacrifices), shall no flesh (no one) be justfied (saved).
God bless you.
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Amen, brothah man. Well said.
 
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