If homosexuality is a sin, then why didn't Jesus say anything about it?

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thatfizzyguy

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You are guaranteed to be deceived by Satan if you sip tea at home and study the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to teach us, a small group of sheep is bound to pervert the Gospel. So I would strongly suggest you obey God and join His Church, where you can graze on His Word and have His shepherds lead you to green pastures. If you wonder off, you will get lost and starve to death.
And where abouts is God's church?
Is it not written when two or more are gathered in his name that he is in the midst?
A church can be a place of truth but, also of deception you say that one will be lost if alone yet many who were alone "heard his voice" it seems that you think church takes priority and ironically according to being Baptist I suppose I'm supposed to believe the same but, I don't because I can "think for myself".
See what you are suggesting is that more people who are not in church will be deceived when in fact the very opposite is often true.
Jesus forewarned of false prophets and deceivers in sheep's clothing in of course places of religion if one cannot go past merely fellowshipping, gathering together, and learning together then one's fruits will be few for one is letting people guide their actions not God.
 
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I believe the Gospel, but I don't understand it and neither do you or anyone else here. I notice you ignored the fact that no denomination agrees with any other one over what the Gospel means. Everyone understands it differently, you ignored that fact and just came up with a sarcastic remark which shows you don't have a position. Everyone says the same thing you did but none of them agree with each other, quite silly really
I'll get back to you later on that since obviously you need "attention" in detail which I can't do since I have to go get food now, but, so as to not leave you hanging too much, I am Baptist, and I believe that one is only saved by accepting Jesus and his works.
Ok it's later now so you don't have things figured out concerning the gospel yet somehow you do?
And I don't have things figured out concerning the gospel supposedly.
Let's start with your "theory" that no denominations agree concerning the gospel well that is certainly easy to disprove because just look around you here on Christian chat there are many denominations here and once in awhile they "agree" because they "discuss" though they can get heated you are pretty much "assuming" a lot I'm wondering now who is it really that hasn't been out learning the gospel I've only been a servant of Jesus for around 4-5 to five years yet I know that denominations can and do agree at times.
Next fascinating I don't have a position real smart assuming again, you don't know me yet one remark from me and here comes a pathetic insinuation, my position concerning this thread is that choosing the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination and it was mentioned by Jesus in some form,and my all in all position is that only accepting Jesus can save anyone except for the exclusion of the 144,000 redeemed by Jesus in the time of tribulation after they were virgins and died not accepting the mark of the beast.
Now regarding church I have always been clear that I believe not going to church to be of no consequence though it can be spiritually good and can lead to learning about how to accept Jesus and his works thus receiving salvation and the Holy spirit but, that's not necessarily true and even being saved doesn't have to be in church in fact I myself accepted Jesus,salvation, and the Holy spirit flat on my face nearly in my bed room pleading my case to God and Jesus and very emotional.
A church is just a building without people in it because really people are the church.
 

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I believe the Gospel, but I don't understand it and neither do you or anyone else here. I notice you ignored the fact that no denomination agrees with any other one over what the Gospel means. Everyone understands it differently, you ignored that fact and just came up with a sarcastic remark which shows you don't have a position. Everyone says the same thing you did but none of them agree with each other, quite silly really
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Me thinks you are throwing out the baby with the dirty water...not good.
But, You have a point.......and your finding is .....from that conclusion?
 

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You are guaranteed to be deceived by Satan if you sip tea at home and study the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to teach us, a small group of sheep is bound to pervert the Gospel. So I would strongly suggest you obey God and join His Church, where you can graze on His Word and have His shepherds lead you to green pastures. If you wonder off, you will get lost and starve to death.
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I don't agree that, that is necessarly true. I believe one can study in private and G-d will guide to a proper conclusion.
Church a good concept. But, one better know scripture today .....or you can be misled in church also....by a new age religion type. We see it here on baptism, OSAS, etc....crazy.
 

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I'll get back to you later on that since obviously you need "attention" in detail which I can't do since I have to go get food now, but, so as to not leave you hanging too much, I am Baptist, and I believe that one is only saved by accepting Jesus and his works.
Well believing that you are saved by accepting Jesus puts you in the Arminius camp where folks are saved by their choice. So millions, including myself disagree with you right off the bat. We believe God draws us to Himself and the choice is not made by us.

As I said, there are many ways to understand the Gospel. That's why the Church is divided.
 

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I don't agree that, that is necessarly true. I believe one can study in private and G-d will guide to a proper conclusion.
Church a good concept. But, one better know scripture today .....or you can be misled in church also....by a new age religion type. We see it here on baptism, OSAS, etc....crazy.
I was referring to Gods Church, not all of those apostate Churches. We all know about them, so don't throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.
 

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I was referring to Gods Church, not all of those apostate Churches. We all know about them, so don't throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.
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Please ...an example of each...?
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Well believing that you are saved by accepting Jesus puts you in the Arminius camp where folks are saved by their choice. So millions, including myself disagree with you right off the bat. We believe God draws us to Himself and the choice is not made by us.

As I said, there are many ways to understand the Gospel. That's why the Church is divided.
Well it's "biblically sound" accepting Jesus and his works and isn't that a bit ridiculous being given the choice to accept Jesus or not yet saying we aren't,the bible is clear....
"for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten that he who believeth on him shall not perish but, have everlasting life" "none come to the father except through the son" "He who believeth on him(Jesus) has not condemnation he who believeth not is condemned still"
"He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be saved".
The choice is there either cater to satan and not accept Jesus staying in bondage to sin or accept Jesus and be loosed from the bondage of sin and granted God "calls" but, still we have "a choice" to answer his call or not if you so believe otherwise name me one time from the bible that God or Jesus "forced" any one to do something against their own will not having a choice in the matter and I will accept correction.
 

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You know there was a hermit prophet who practically didn't associate with people yet he was a great servant of God it can be spiritually good to gather together but, it isn't necessary.
No one can learn in an atmosphere where people criticize one another. It only serves to sow further division in an already divided faith. Leave the judgement to God. Only He knows
You are guaranteed to be deceived by Satan if you sip tea at home and study the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to teach us, a small group of sheep is bound to pervert the Gospel. So I would strongly suggest you obey God and join His Church, where you can graze on His Word and have His shepherds lead you to green pastures. If you wonder off, you will get lost and starve to death.

Wrong Slayer:

Matthew 18:20
20 "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
 

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Who said there is no shepherd?

I rather follow and what the first century believers did and immerse in real fellowship than sit in a pew with mostly strangers.
Exactly, UnderGrace: Well said.
Matthew 20 "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
 
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No one can learn in an atmosphere where people criticize one another. It only serves to sow further division in an already divided faith. Leave the judgement to God. Only He knows
There can be no godliness when sin is allowed to continue. A little leaven leavens the whole. The church is to judge those within who are in open unrepentent rebellion to the truth.

But now I have written to you not to associate with any so-called brother, if he is a sexually immoral person or a greedy person or an idolater or an abusive person or a drunkard or a swindler—with such a person not even to eat. For what is it to me to judge those outside? Should you not judge those inside? But those outside God will judge. Remove the evil person from among yourselves. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13
 

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There can be no godliness when sin is allowed to continue. A little leaven leavens the whole. The church is to judge those within who are in open unrepentent rebellion to the truth.

But now I have written to you not to associate with any so-called brother, if he is a sexually immoral person or a greedy person or an idolater or an abusive person or a drunkard or a swindler—with such a person not even to eat. For what is it to me to judge those outside? Should you not judge those inside? But those outside God will judge. Remove the evil person from among yourselves. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13
Dont think I mentioned sin in my post, Rose.

I said: "No one can learn in an atmosphere where people criticize one another. It only serves to sow further division in an already divided faith."

Dont see how you can argue against the idea of not criticizing and being divisive. We dont learn that way. Oh well. Some want to argue ... let them. I dont learn from that
 

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Well it's "biblically sound" accepting Jesus and his works and isn't that a bit ridiculous being given the choice to accept Jesus or not yet saying we aren't,the bible is clear....
"for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten that he who believeth on him shall not perish but, have everlasting life" "none come to the father except through the son" "He who believeth on him(Jesus) has not condemnation he who believeth not is condemned still"
"He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might be saved".
The choice is there either cater to satan and not accept Jesus staying in bondage to sin or accept Jesus and be loosed from the bondage of sin and granted God "calls" but, still we have "a choice" to answer his call or not if you so believe otherwise name me one time from the bible that God or Jesus "forced" any one to do something against their own will not having a choice in the matter and I will accept correction.
What do you do with the doctrine of predestination, election and the reprobate. Do you just sweep them all under the carpet, as the Arminians do.
  • "Do you really believe that God is going to lose most of mankind in hell and that only a few are going to be saved?"
  • "If most go to hell, doesn't that mean that Satan wins since God only gets a few compared to the majority who are lost?"
Of course, these kinds of questions are the wrong ones to ask. What they are doing is using emotionalism to sway someone's beliefs. What they should be asking are questions like these:
  • "What does the Bible teach about damnation?"
  • "Does the Bible tell us if most will be lost or saved?"
  • "Does it tell us that all will be saved?

  • "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14"For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it," (Matt. 7:13-14).
  • "For many are called, but few are chosen," (Matt. 22:14).

  • "And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?"

  • And He said to them, 24"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26"Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'" (Luke 13:22-27).

  • "And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly," (Rom. 9:27)
So how can anyone say God has offered salvation to everyone, the above scriptures make it clear that God has chosen to save some and not all mankind as many believe. What about the Reprobate.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

2 Corinthians 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
 

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No one can learn in an atmosphere where people criticize one another. It only serves to sow further division in an already divided faith. Leave the judgement to God. Only He knows



Wrong Slayer:

Matthew 18:20
20 "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
But sheep can't teach sheep anything, they need a Shepherd to teach them. You know that sheep are dumb don't you?
 
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Dont think I mentioned sin in my post, Rose.

I said: "No one can learn in an atmosphere where people criticize one another. It only serves to sow further division in an already divided faith."

Dont see how you can argue against the idea of not criticizing and being divisive. We dont learn that way. Oh well. Some want to argue ... let them. I dont learn from that
I agree completely that a critical environment is abusive and destructive. The problem is there are those who conflate confronting sin in the church with being critical.

But to give you credit, there are those who think confronting sin in the church means being critical. They are in as much error, and just as dangerous, as those are who don't judge sin in their midst.
 

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I agree completely that a critical environment is abusive and destructive. The problem is there are those who conflate confronting sin in the church with being critical.

But to give you credit, there are those who think confronting sin in the church means being critical. They are in as much error, and just as dangerous, as those are who don't judge sin in their midst.
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Judge not ... moles and specks ... and all of that ... Jesus talked about it a lot. Disliked the Pharisees intensely for their hypocracy. All are sinners ... we don't need to point it out to them in or churches. they KNOW and God knows. s. If the "sin" is harming another (as in illegal acts), then of course, we must intervene.

Not my place to judge you or anyone else ... especially when I don't know them at all (internet) or casually (in my Church) Nope. I might speak to a close friend IF that friend asked for my advice. If not, I would not.

I am busy enough minding my own sins. They KNOW they are sinning and it is between them and God.
 
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Judge not ... moles and specks ... and all of that ... Jesus talked about it a lot. Disliked the Pharisees intensely for their hypocracy. All are sinners ... we don't need to point it out to them in or churches. they KNOW and God knows. s. If the "sin" is harming another (as in illegal acts), then of course, we must intervene.

Not my place to judge you or anyone else ... especially when I don't know them at all (internet) or casually (in my Church) Nope. I might speak to a close friend IF that friend asked for my advice. If not, I would not.
I am busy enough minding my own sins. They KNOW they are sinning and it is between them and God.
The church is filled with people who hold this compromising, worldly attitude. They are more zealous to follow the church's tacit gentleman's agreement that says "Don't mention my sin, and I won't mention yours (wink, wink)" than they are to follow GOD's command to be holy. They are unfit for purpose.
 

preston39

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Good commentary here.

What's most disturbing is that .....one can just point out what scripture clearly says and become the target of abuse.

Sad!

But, scripture says..."you may pay a price for following me"...(Christ).
 

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Judge not ... moles and specks ... and all of that ... Jesus talked about it a lot. Disliked the Pharisees intensely for their hypocracy. All are sinners ... we don't need to point it out to them in or churches. they KNOW and God knows. s. If the "sin" is harming another (as in illegal acts), then of course, we must intervene.

Not my place to judge you or anyone else ... especially when I don't know them at all (internet) or casually (in my Church) Nope. I might speak to a close friend IF that friend asked for my advice. If not, I would not.
I am busy enough minding my own sins. They KNOW they are sinning and it is between them and God.
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In order for a follower of Christ to do what is asked of them, we must ......assess.... who we are dealing with. That is different than judgement. If the left doesn't like what the scripture says..they will attack under the judgement word as a form of intimidation...attempt.
It's ridiculous and wacky.
 

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B...,
In order for a follower of Christ to do what is asked of them, we must ......assess.... who we are dealing with. That is different than judgement. If the left doesn't like what the scripture says..they will attack under the judgement word as a form of intimidation...attempt.
It's ridiculous and wacky.

The left and right view each other as wacky! LOL. It is judgement. Dress it up any way you please. I have seen people tear each other apart within the same Church ... after church ... after church. "Let He who is without sin cast the first stone". I put MY STONE DOWN. You have no power to make others stop sinning ... the only one you really have power over is yourself and your own sins and that is quite enough.

My last comment on this subject: the Bible ... lookup verses that say do not judge? then look up verses that say judge righteously .... HUGE DifFERENCe.