If Jesus is God, why did he ask why God had forsaken him?

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Magenta

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BuffyLou said:
I'm not really a Satanist lol
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You have the spirit of the antichrist. Is there really a difference?

“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” 1 John 4:2-3
 
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BuffyLou said:
Jesus doesn't feature in the Old Testament
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And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He (Jesus Christ, the risen Lord)
explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
Luke 24:27

Jesus is first alluded to in Genesis 3 :) Yesterday you were informed that Jesus fulfilled
hundreds of prophesies concerning Him. Where do you think all those prophesies were? :unsure:
 
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Rosemaryx said:
I thought the reason why Jesus said " Why have you forsaken Me " was because His Father could not look upon the sin that He had to endure , and in that moment , our LORD for the one and only time felt the separation from His Father...

Like I said , it is not something I know for sure , but just a thought...
...xox...
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You're wrong. Jesus is God.
 
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BuffyLou said:
Did Jesus even actually explicitly claim he was God?
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It may have already been said but for the why have you foresaken to me part that was a direct quote from David who Jesus's blood line was promised a savior, the Jews knew this verse well and it was evidence of yet another promise fulfilled by God.
And no he doesn't come out right and say he is God but he did claim to be the Christ therefore making him equal to God, this is why they tried to stone him when he admitted to being the Christ it was by definition making himself the same as God.
By all rights if he was lying then it was not in the wrong for them to stone him but because he was not lying and had shown more than enough proof he was who he said they in their ignorance tried to stone him, they were blinded by hatred and jealousy
 
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Rosemaryx said:
I thought the reason why Jesus said " Why have you forsaken Me " was because His Father could not look upon the sin that He had to endure , and in that moment , our LORD for the one and only time felt the separation from His Father...

Like I said , it is not something I know for sure , but just a thought...
...xox...
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Here, let me help you out on this issue. I'm going to give you a little homework assignment. Please read Psalm 22, all of it and notice it was Jesus who quoted the words of David (vs1). After verse 1 and starting at vs2 please notice the circumstances that King David was in when he quoted vs1. Then get back to me with any questions and I will be glad to explain why Jesus said what He did on that cross. PS: The Father not looking upon His Son is old school nonsense.

IN GOD THE SON,
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BuffyLou said:
You're wrong. Jesus is God.
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bluto said:
Here, let me help you out on this issue. I'm going to give you a little homework assignment. Please read Psalm 22, all of it and notice it was Jesus who quoted the words of David (vs1). After verse 1 and starting at vs2 please notice the circumstances that King David was in when he quoted vs1. Then get back to me with any questions and I will be glad to explain why Jesus said what He did on that cross. PS: The Father not looking upon His Son is old school nonsense.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Thank you @bluto ...
Would appreciate your help please...I have read the Psalm just now , but would like to really look into it , will do that tomorrow when I am alert , it is getting late now here in UK...
...xox...
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Thank you @bluto ...
Would appreciate your help please...I have read the Psalm just now , but would like to really look into it , will do that tomorrow when I am alert , it is getting late now here in UK...
...xox...
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Psalm 22 is all about Jesus :)
 
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BuffyLou said:
If Jesus is God, why did he ask why God had forsaken him?
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Jesus repeatedly stated that all He said and did was for our benefit. Think about it... He is the light and life of mankind (in Him we live and move and have our being), offering a life more abundant to all who will believe on Him. Reject Him, and at the final judgment you shall pass into the second death, from which there is no return. How do you suppose you might feel at such a moment, knowing you have lost forever your chance to experience the fullness of life? Will you feel forsaken by the God you have denied? I think so... What say you?

 
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As others have pointed out, Jesus wasn't asking why God had forsaken Him but was actually singing a Psalm.

There's certainly the prophetic aspect of the psalm, but it's also a profoundly human moment. Jesus at the height of His despair turns to a very human form of solace, the singing of familiar songs.

The psalter is the songbook and prayer book of God's people, and as always Jesus perfectly modeled what a man of God does when He faces extreme torment. He cried out from the songbook a song that begins in destitution but ends with the declaration of ultimate victory.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
As others have pointed out, Jesus wasn't asking why God had forsaken Him but was actually singing a Psalm.

There's certainly the prophetic aspect of the psalm, but it's also a profoundly human moment. Jesus at the height of His despair turns to a very human form of solace, the singing of familiar songs.

The psalter is the songbook and prayer book of God's people, and as always Jesus perfectly modeled what a man of God does when He faces extreme torment. He cried out from the songbook a song that begins in destitution but ends with the declaration of ultimate victory.
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You mean 'God wasn't asking why God...'
 
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BuffyLou said:
You mean 'God wasn't asking why God...'
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There are distinctions within the Godhead that allow us to consider the persons separately, though the Trinity was certainly in unison in the cross.

You asked specifically about the 2nd person of the Trinity, the mystery of God in the flesh. I answered with that distinction in mind.

It's starting to look like Proverbs 26:4 strongly applies with you.

Hopefully for your sake your mocking leads you to discover the Truth, if it doesn't your flippant words will certainly be used when you are attempting to make excuses.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
There are distinctions within the Godhead that allow us to consider the persons separately, though the Trinity was certainly in unison in the cross.

You asked specifically about the 2nd person of the Trinity, the mystery of God in the flesh. I answered with that distinction in mind.

It's starting to look like Proverbs 26:4 strongly applies with you.

Hopefully for your sake your mocking leads you to discover the Truth, if it doesn't your flippant words will certainly be used when you are attempting to make excuses.
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So there's God, Jesus and the Ghost. Not one God.
 
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BuffyLou said:
So there's God, Jesus and the Ghost. Not one God.
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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
 
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BuffyLou said:
Did Jesus even actually explicitly claim he was God?
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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, which is the only way we can see the invisible God, which Jesus told Philip if he has seem Him, then he has seen the Father.

And Jesus said before Abraham was, I am.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, which God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmomy.

Jesus is God and man, which Thomas said to Jesus, my Lord and my God according to His deity.

And Jesus said to Mary, my God and your God, and my Father and your Father, according to His humanity.

When Jesus was on the cross it was the man Christ Jesus that cried out to God why did you forsake me, but He knew the Father would never forsake Him for He said the Father will never forsake Him.

And Jesus said, Father in to your hands I commend my spirit after He said that because He knew the Father did not forsake Him.

The sins of the world were placed upon Jesus so the man Christ Jesus must of felt what it was like to be separated from God when He always felt the Spirit, but it was only a feeling, but in reality the Father never forsaked Him.
 
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MattforJesus said:
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, which is the only way we can see the invisible God, which Jesus told Philip if he has seem Him, then he has seen the Father.

And Jesus said before Abraham was, I am.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, which God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmomy.

Jesus is God and man, which Thomas said to Jesus, my Lord and my God according to His deity.

And Jesus said to Mary, my God and your God, and my Father and your Father, according to His humanity.

When Jesus was on the cross it was the man Christ Jesus that cried out to God why did you forsake me, but He knew the Father would never forsake Him for He said the Father will never forsake Him.

And Jesus said, Father in to your hands I commend my spirit after He said that because He knew the Father did not forsake Him.

The sins of the world were placed upon Jesus so the man Christ Jesus must of felt what it was like to be separated from God when He always felt the Spirit, but it was only a feeling, but in reality the Father never forsaked Him.
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This answer contradicts those others have provided
 
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BuffyLou said:
Satanism
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That is news?

People! That person is here pulling your chain to see how far you'll go to convince them God is real. I am sure most of you know this after their first few ridiculous posts.

Want to know where they get their playbook from? I'm guessing this is likely their source: https://godishate.blogspot.com/2012/08/trolling-christian-chat-rooms-101.html

Our site is mentioned in that link. Scroll down and you'll see their is Jesus God question among the others they've asked here. They're TROLLING! And following directions from that site.
UPDATE: Here is a Good Trolling Method: Is God All Know? Is Jesus God?
 
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