If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?

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bluto said:
Excellent point. The following is what I posted on the other thread regarding Michael the arc-angel being Jesus Christ. Personally I consider this one of the best proofs of Jesus Christ being God incarnate, pre-existing His incarnation and of course that He is not an angel. Btw, this was posted to kneemailer.

So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information.
Did Jesus bring the messages of the father? Did the apostles.

Two kinds. Human messengers as well as those not seen with the eye.

I wonder why men try and take away that Jesus was a messenger (aggelos) as our Apostle and High priest who delivers messages of the father. What would it prove. don't all persist bring the messages of God?

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

It would seem he is the head messenger or arch. Befitting to the Son of man seen who refused worship in respect to what the eyes see.

(Michael) Who is like God?. No one he is not a man as us.

When did it become a law that Jesus did not bring the messages from our father like the apostles. It must of started someplace some where in time.
 

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Walking by sight is not the kind of belief that come by faith. Faith represents the unseen eternal. Faithless is the opposite of believing .Like that of the foolish Galatians . Foolish no provision of God in ones thoughts (no faith coming from the unseen)

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Thomas believes. very next verse. Jesus says so. i believe Him. Thomas is not an example of unbelief, but of God revealing Himself to the one who seeks Him.

Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.
(John 20:8)
John believes. he saw, and believed.

The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.
Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, believed in Him.
(John 11:44-45)
many saw, and believed.

Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
(Matthew 27:54)
the soldiers at the cross saw, and believed.


Jesus says, those who do not see, yet believe, are blessed.
He does not say those who see and believe are cursed -- in fact it is those who do not see, because He has not opened their eyes, who are still veiled. '
to see' in the scripture is not always with ones corporeal eyes; He healed many who were blind, and not only those whose eyes were dim, but who were healthy, yet unseeing, made to see.
it is not evil that the Son of God appeared to us, and became flesh - and it is not evil that He came in the flesh; He is the Son of Man, and it is good.

He who has seen Me has seen the Father
(John 14:9)
but even tho their physical eyes saw Him, many did not see:

He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.
(John 12:40)
in order that we might see, and be blessed by seeing:

And He turned Him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
for I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them!
(Luke 10:23-24)
we will see Him.


 
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Thomas believes. very next verse. Jesus says so. i believe Him. Thomas is not an example of unbelief, but of God revealing Himself to the one who seeks Him.

My point was the way he believed walking by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation (no faith) . He called Thomas "faithless" . It does not mean he never believed the word of God exercising the faith that does come from the unseen.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Thomas is an example of exercising unbelief.
 

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My point was the way he believed walking by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation (no faith) . He called Thomas "faithless" . It does not mean he never believed the word of God exercising the faith that does come from the unseen.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Thomas is an example of exercising unbelief.
Christ not only tells Thomas to believe, but also gives Thomas what he needs in order to believe, and Thomas believes.

the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in His hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
(John 20:25)
Thomas says he will not believe on the testimony of others -- and God Himself testifies to Thomas.
is God then honoring Thomas or dishonoring him?


the passage does not record that Thomas actually put his hand into His side. do you think Thomas believed because he saw, or because he touched?
 

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Walking by sight is not the kind of belief that come by faith. Faith represents the unseen eternal. Faithless is the opposite of believing .Like that of the foolish Galatians . Foolish no provision of God in ones thoughts (no faith coming from the unseen)

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Faith doesn't "represent" anything. This isn't a parable.

You're mixing up concepts from unrelated passages of Scripture. Thomas was warned not to be faithless; he wasn't called faithless. There is a huge difference. His situation has nothing at all to do with the error of the Galatians.
 

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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
He did. The Archangels serve the will of the Father. When they speak they are speaking the words of God.
 

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Did Jesus bring the messages of the father? Did the apostles.

Two kinds. Human messengers as well as those not seen with the eye.

I wonder why men try and take away that Jesus was a messenger (aggelos) as our Apostle and High priest who delivers messages of the father. What would it prove. don't all persist bring the messages of God?

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

It would seem he is the head messenger or arch. Befitting to the Son of man seen who refused worship in respect to what the eyes see.

(Michael) Who is like God?. No one he is not a man as us.

When did it become a law that Jesus did not bring the messages from our father like the apostles. It must of started someplace some where in time.
Boy you really are not paying attention garee. Where did you get the idea (at least from me) that Jesus Christ was not a messenger of the Lord? Jesus Christ is identified in the Old Testament as the angle of the Lord. His first appearance as the angel of the Lord is at Genesis 16:7.

The whole point of this thread is to show that Jesus Christ is "NOT" Michael the arc-angel of the Lord no matter how many traits they may have in common. Sure, Michael's name means, "who is like God" but that does not make him God. Satan wanted to be like God and the best he can do is be the "god" of this world which means people follow him as if he is god, but he is not.

Now, I posted the following and you only quoted a little part of my post so here is the rest of it.

Excellent point. The following is what I posted on the other thread regarding Michael the arc-angel being Jesus Christ. Personally I consider this one of the best proofs of Jesus Christ being God incarnate, pre-existing His incarnation and of course that He is not an angel. Btw, this was posted to kneemailer.

So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information.

And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is referring to John the Baptist, there is no doubt about it. And the second "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant is none other that the pre-incarnated Jesus Christ. Now, the word "malak" does mean "angel or messenger, it all depends on how it is used in "CONTEXT." In fact the writer here "Malachi" who obviously is a human being, well his name is from the word "malak" which means he is a messenger.

Now, I see you quoted various people who believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel. It does not mean that they are right. I can post others who say Jesus Christ is not Michael the arc angel. Just because there are some commonalities with Jesus and Michael like "There are both princes," or Mikha'el has a name that means "who is like God."

Now, there is a legal concept that the Jews employ known as a "Shaliach." Or the law of "AGENCY" where an agent or ambassader or messenger acts on behalf of another, or of a "principal." For instance, angels often speak for God just like the angel of the covenant does at Genesis 22.

If you read the chapter you will no doubt discover that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his only Son Isaac. (Btw, Isaac was not Abrahams only son). Anyway, Genesis 22:15, "But the angel of the Lord called to him/Abraham! And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son."

Now for vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because (or why) you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies." Vs18, And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have OBEYED MY VOICE."

So what is the point of all of this kneemailer? The point is the fact that an angel like Michael CANNOT SWEAR An OATH ON BEHALF OF GOD HIMSELF. This is how I know that Michael is not Jesus Christ. And here is what the writer of Hebrews stated at Hebrews 6:13-14, "For when God made the promise to Abraham, SINCE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO ONE GREATER, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF, vs14, saying, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply you."

This is as straighforwad as can be and right out of the Bible itself. I did not give my opinion or any commentary, that's what it says. Moreover, according to the Jewish Virutal Library there are certain things that a "shaliach" cannot do, one of them is swearing an oath on behalf of another.

If you witnessed a crime being committed and it goes to trial you would have to be the one to testify, you can't send somebody like your Uncle Harry to testify in your place. Even if you were in the hospital and could not attend the trial the court would send someone out to you and you will be "deposed." Now, there is one more aspect of this and that is the fact that swearing an oath is a matter of one's conscience. Now, I welcome all questions and your welcome to try and poke holes in this presentation. :eek:

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
i thought Jesus said His works were not His but of the Father.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


 
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Boy you really are not paying attention garee. Where did you get the idea (at least from me) that Jesus Christ was not a messenger of the Lord? Jesus Christ is identified in the Old Testament as the angle of the Lord. His first appearance as the angel of the Lord is at Genesis 16:7.
I did not say Jesus was not a messenger

There are two kinds of angels. One seen using mankind and the other kind that have no mother or father as administering spirits not subject to salvation. Those seen and those not seen.

The whole point of this thread is to show that Jesus Christ is "NOT" Michael the arc-angel of the Lord no matter how many traits they may have in common. Sure, Michael's name means, "who is like God" but that does not make him God. Satan wanted to be like God and the best he can do is be the "god" of this world which means people follow him as if he is god, but he is not.
Jesus the Son of God.As the Spirit of Christ he is the anointing Holy Spirit of God, He not the Son of man Jesus is the highest messenger (angel.) This is not in reference to the Son of man *the temporal) used as a one time demonstration.

Now, I posted the following and you only quoted a little part of my post so here is the rest of it.

Excellent point. The following is what I posted on the other thread regarding Michael the arc-angel being Jesus Christ. Personally I consider this one of the best proofs of Jesus Christ being God incarnate, pre-existing His incarnation and of course that He is not an angel. Btw, this was posted to kneemailer.
Angels (two kinds) have no form, and as mankind do have a form .The angels not seen are not subject to salvation and neither do they have the power to transfer themselves into flesh and a blood.

There was no actual corruptible flesh and blood body used before the demonstration in the new testament .He was typified as the Son of man by a vision like Melchedik or theophany that would be fulfilled in the flesh demonstrated as sinful at the cross. In order to do what the written law could not do . But the first time he came in actual flesh was born in the manger .

Jesus was not reincarnated every time he appeared in the old testament (no flesh and blood, a sign of corruption .

There are some today that are looking for another fleshly demonstration (Son of man) as if God was a man as us to begin with. We no longer know Christ after the flesh as a few did forever more. The veil is rent indicating the one time promise is finished.
 
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i thought Jesus said His works were not His but of the Father.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


Jesus as the Son of man (corrupted flesh) had no power . Like us that power came from inside his earthen body of death .No dead sacrifices.

The power to rise came by the unseen God by anthrough the Spirit that again worked in the Son of man not of or from his flesh .which again he said profits for zero.. it the kind of food (power)the disciples know not at first. The food of a freed will (born again). . .doing the will of another our unseen Father Not that of the father of lies the god of this world .And overcoming by the power that dwelt in Jesus the Son of man

If the power of faith (the unseen) is not of us. . . than niether was it of the Son of man, Jesus . . . .used for a one time demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from the foundation. Demonstrated thousands of years later

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in "earthen vessels", that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Not of Jesus' earthen vessels of death used as idol image teraphim by some in order to create a queen mother of heaven


But rather the work of the unseen pouring out of Spirit life not seen on flesh seen.
 

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I did not say Jesus was not a messenger

There are two kinds of angels. One seen using mankind and the other kind that have no mother or father as administering spirits not subject to salvation. Those seen and those not seen.



Jesus the Son of God.As the Spirit of Christ he is the anointing Holy Spirit of God, He not the Son of man Jesus is the highest messenger (angel.) This is not in reference to the Son of man *the temporal) used as a one time demonstration.



Angels (two kinds) have no form, and as mankind do have a form .The angels not seen are not subject to salvation and neither do they have the power to transfer themselves into flesh and a blood.

There was no actual corruptible flesh and blood body used before the demonstration in the new testament .He was typified as the Son of man by a vision like Melchedik or theophany that would be fulfilled in the flesh demonstrated as sinful at the cross. In order to do what the written law could not do . But the first time he came in actual flesh was born in the manger .

Jesus was not reincarnated every time he appeared in the old testament (no flesh and blood, a sign of corruption .

There are some today that are looking for another fleshly demonstration (Son of man) as if God was a man as us to begin with. We no longer know Christ after the flesh as a few did forever more. The veil is rent indicating the one time promise is finished.
You know garee, what planet are you from? I based my response on what you said here, "I wonder why men try and take away that Jesus was a messenger (aggelos) as our Apostle and High priest who delivers messages of the father. What would it prove. don't all persist bring the messages of God?" In other words, I did "NOT" say Jesus was a messenger either.

I proved in my post that He is a messenger but He is not Michael the arc-angel. You also made this "asinine" statement, "Jesus the Son of God.As the Spirit of Christ he is the anointing Holy Spirit of God, He not the Son of man Jesus is the highest messenger (angel.) This is not in reference to the Son of man *the temporal) used as a one time demonstration."

Jesus Christ is "NOT" the person of the Holy Spirit and He surely is "NOT" the highest "angel" mesenger. Moreover Jesus referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" 80 times in the Bible, why do you think that is garee? Now, the word for angel in Hebrew is "malak." It can mean a real angel like Michael (who is a messenger) and it can mean simply messenger like at Micah 3:1 where John the Baptist is a malak/messenger and yet he is obviously human and not an angel.

You are really mixed up in your theology, especially on this issue. Who is teaching you this stuff, or what church is teaching you this stuff? And what is this business of some angels not having a father or mother? Ugh! :eek:

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
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If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
Exactly. Furthermore any angel (including an archangel) is a creature. So how could the Creator be a creature? Absurdity is built into this false teaching.
 
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Hebrews 1 (ERV) 1 In the past God spoke to our people through the prophets. He spoke to them many times and in many different ways. 2 And now in these last days, God has spoken to us again through his Son. He made the whole world through his Son. And he has chosen his Son to have all things. 3 The Son shows the glory of God. He is a perfect copy of God’s nature, and he holds everything together by his powerful command. The Son made people clean from their sins. Then he sat down at the right side[a] of God, the Great One in heaven. 4 The Son became much greater than the angels, and God gave him a name that is much greater than any of their names.

5 God never said this to any of the angels:

“You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.”
God also never said about an angel,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my son.”

6 And then, when God presents his firstborn Son to the world,[b] he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

7 This is what God said about the angels:

“He changes his angels into winds
and his servants into flaming fire.”

8 But this is what he said about his Son:

“God, your kingdom will last forever and ever.
You use your authority for justice.
9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong.
So God, your God, has chosen you,
giving you more honor and joy than anyone like you.”


The word son is used to ways .Of God unseen. or of man seen flesh and blood

The question how did he speak to us through his Son as a messenger seeing the word messenger is the word aggelos .Was it of God speaking though the Son of man seen?

Is the kingdom of God committed to the unseen things shadows of God or those unseen. Does it come by observation

“You are (present tense) my Son .(as Unseen God), The Son of God without beginning is called our High priest continually
Today I have become your Father.”
God also never said about an angel,

“I will *
(future) be his Father,
and he will be my
son.. . . as the son of man?
 
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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
Jesus is not Michael, nor does He have the name associated with Him, and that name identifies an angel, which the Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and He shall be called the Mighty God, and He is the Almighty.

We cannot even identify Jesus with the name Michael even if they do not believe He is him, but only has the name, for God's name represents His character, and the blessings He has toward us.

Jehovah, physical deliverance.

Jesus, spiritual deliverance.

Jesus can be identified with no other name but Jesus, because Jesus represents His character, and blessings toward us, and to have the name Michael to identify Him would be to reduce His character greatly.

The Bible says Jesus inherited the name Jesus, which contrary to what some people believe Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, for Jesus said He came in His Father's name, the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

It is the Father's will that we are saved, and the Son gave His human life for us, and the Spirit dwells in us to be Christlike, and Jesus is the only name we are saved by, and all we do in word and deed is all in the name of Jesus, so the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit would be the name Jesus.

The Bible says Jesus is the name above all names, not only in this world but in the world to come, and Jesus is above the name Jehovah for it reveals more of God's character, and blessings toward us.

So if Jesus is the name above all names why would Jesus be identified with the name Michael, and how can He be Michael.

The Bible says that Jesus has a name that no person knows but only Him, which probably identifies Him as God a name the saints can never know for to know that name a person would know all there is to know about God which they cannot, and if it does not represent Him as God it represents Him as being in a glorified body above the saints having all the attributes of God we can never attain to for He has the Spirit without measure.

If that name reveals aspects of God we can never know how can Jesus be identified with the name Michael when He has a name we can never know, and how can He be Michael.

Also Jesus is not a created god, for God said there was no God formed after Him.

Also there is no such thing as a created god, for God means supreme being, and if Jesus is a created god He cannot be a supreme being for the Creator would be above Him.

And it does not matter if God created a being one trillion miles long, a massive being that could punch a planet and send it hurling through space at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles an hour for a distance of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles, God can still disassemble that being for it would be made of physical matter which God can assemble and disassemble at any time.

So what kind of God is that.

God means supreme being, and Jesus is called God in the Bible, so He is the supreme being.

Michael cannot even compare to that and Jesus could disassemble Michael if He wanted to and put Him back to physical matter, for even though an angel is considered spiritual they are still made up of physical matter, for God made nothing with His Spirit for it is separate from the physical, and God fills all space so there cannot be an empty space where the Spirit is not at.

The only reason some people would want to believe Jesus is Michael, or associated with his name is to reduce the greatness of Jesus, or that He is the Savior, for whatever reason they want to do that.

The Bible says Jesus is Lord and Savior, which Lord means above all power, principality, and power, even above the angels.

And no person can call Jesus the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So if they do not call Jesus the Lord, and that is the Savior and God then it appears as if the Spirit is not working in them, and the Spirit will not work in their life when they do not acknowledge Jesus for who He really is and that is Lord and Savior, and God.
 

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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil, and he departed out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

If Jesus was Michael than why did he not rebuke Satan himself?
Interesting question. I believe the JWs teach that Michael the Archangel became Jesus in the Incarnation, and then returned back to being Michael the Archangel after the resurrection.

I think they'd have a hard time answering that question.
 

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Malachi 3:1
Daniel 12:1-2
John 5:26-29
1 Thess 4:16
 

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Malachi 3:1
Daniel 12:1-2
John 5:26-29
1 Thess 4:16
Hi andor. Are you posting those verses to say Jesus is Michael the arcangel or that He is not Michael the arcangel? Just asking for clarification. Thanks!

IN HIM,
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Malachi 3:1 speaks of John the Baptist, not Jesus
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/malachi-3.html

"Coming of the Lord to judgment. Malachi 3:1. “Behold, I send my messenger, that he may prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to His temple, and the angel of the covenant, whom ye desire; behold he comes, saith Jehovah of hosts.” To the question, Where is or remains the God of judgment? the Lord Himself replies that He will suddenly come to His temple, but that before His coming He will send a messenger to prepare the way for Him. The announcement of this messenger rests upon the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3., as the expression וּפנּה דרך , which is borrowed from that passage, clearly shows. The person whose voice Isaiah heard calling to make the way of Jehovah in the desert, that the glory of the Lord might be revealed to all flesh, is here described as מלאך , whom Jehovah will send before Him, i.e., before His coming. This mal e âkh is not a heavenly messenger, or spiritual being (Rashi, Kimchi), nor the angel of Jehovah κατ ̓ ἐξοχήν , who is mentioned afterwards and called mal e akh habb e rı̄th , but an earthly messenger of the Lord, and indeed the same who is called the prophet Elijah in Malachi 4:5, and therefore not “an ideal person, viz., the whole choir of divine messengers, who are to prepare the way for the coming of salvation, and open the door for the future grace” (Hengst.), but a concrete personality - a messenger who was really sent to the nation in John the Baptist immediately before the coming of the Lord. The idea view is precluded not only by the historical fact, that not a single prophet arose in Israel during the whole period between Malachi and John, but also by the context of the passage before us, according to which the sending of the messenger was to take place immediately before the coming of the Lord to His temple. It is true that in Malachi 2:7 the priest is also called a messenger of Jehovah; but the expression הנני שׁלח (behold I send) prevents our understanding the term mal e âkh as referring to the priests, or even as including them, inasmuch as “sending” would not apply to the priests as the standing mediators between the Lord and His people. Moreover, it was because the priests did not fulfil their duty as the ordinary ambassadors of God that the Lord was about to send an extraordinary messenger. Preparing the way ( פּנה דרך , an expression peculiar to Isaiah: compare Isaiah 40:3; also, Isaiah 57:14 and Isaiah 62:10), by clearing away the impediments lying in the road, denotes the removal of all that retards the coming of the Lord to His people, i.e., the taking away of enmity to God and of ungodliness by the preaching of repentance and the conversion of sinners. The announcement of this messenger therefore implied, that the nation in its existing moral condition was not yet prepared for the reception of the Lord, and therefore had no ground for murmuring at the delay of the manifestation of the divine glory, but ought rather to murmur at its own sin and estrangement from God. When the way shall have been prepared, the Lord will suddenly come. פּתאם , not statim , immediately (Jerome), but unexpectedly. “This suddenness is repeated in all the acts and judgments of the Lord. The Lord of glory always comes as a thief in the night to those who sleep in their sins” (Schmieder). “The Lord” ( hâ'âdōn ) is God; this is evident both from the fact that He comes to His temple, i.e., the temple of Jehovah, and also from the relative clause “whom ye seek,” which points back to the question, “Where is the God of judgment?” (Malachi 2:17). The Lord comes to His temple ( hēkhâl , lit., palace) as the God-king of Israel, to dwell therein for ever (cf. Ezekiel 43:7; Ezekiel 37:26-27). And He comes as the angel of the covenant, for whom the people are longing. The identity of the angel of the covenant with the “Lord” ( hâ'âdōn ) is placed beyond the reach of doubt by the parallelism of the clauses, and the notion is thereby refuted that the “covenant angel” is identical with the person previously mentioned as מלאכי (Hitzig, Maurer, etc.). This identity does not indeed exclude a distinction of person; but it does exclude a difference between the two, or the opinion that the angel of the covenant is that mediator whom Isaiah had promised (Isaiah 42:6) as the antitype of Moses, and the mediator of a new, perfect, and eternally-enduring covenant relation between God and Israel (Hofmann, Schriftbeweis , i. p. 183). For it was not for a second Moses that the people were longing, or for a mediator of the new covenant, but for the coming of God to judgment. The coming of the Lord to His temple is represented as a coming of the covenant angel, with reference to the fact that Jehovah had in the olden time revealed His glory in His Mal e akh in a manner perceptible to the senses, and that in this mode of revelation He had not only redeemed Israel out of the hand of Egypt (Exodus 3:6.), gone before the army of Israel (Exodus 14:19), and led Israel through the desert to Canaan (Exodus 23:20., Exodus 33:14.), but had also filled the temple with His glory. The covenant, in relation to which the Mal e akh , who is of one essence with Jehovah, is here called the angel of the covenant, is not the new covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31., but the covenant of Jehovah with Israel, according to which Jehovah dwells in the midst of Israel, and manifests His gracious presence by blessing the righteous and punishing the ungodly (cf. Exodus 25:8; Leviticus 25:11-12; Deuteronomy 4:24; Isaiah 33:14): (Koehler). The words “Behold he (the covenant angel) cometh” serve to confirm the assurance, and are still further strengthened by אמר יי צ (saith Jehovah of hosts). This promise was fulfilled in the coming of Christ, in whom the angel of the covenant, the Logos, became flesh, and in the sending of John the Baptist, who prepared the way for Him. (See also at Malachi 4:6) "
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Daniel 12:1-2


John 5:26-29


1 Thess 4:16
 

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Daniel 12

ההיא וּבעת points back to קץ בּעת (Daniel 11:4). At the time of the end, in which the hostile persecutor rises up to subdue the whole world, and sets up his camp in the Holy Land to destroy many in great anger and to strike them with the ban ( החרים , Daniel 11:44), i.e., totally to outroot them (Daniel 11:40-45), the great angel-prince Michael shall come forth and fight for the people of God against their oppressor. Regarding Michael, see under Daniel 10:13, p. 771. “Who stands over the sons of thy people,” i.e., stands near, protecting them (cf. for על עמד in the sense of coming to protect, Esther 8:11; Esther 9:16), describes Michael, who carries on his work as Israel's שׂר (Daniel 10:21). That Michael, fighting for Daniel's people, goes forth against the hostile king (Daniel 11:45), is, it is true, not said expressis verbis , but it lies in the context, especially in the עמך ימּלט ( they people shall be delivered ) of the second half of the verse, as well as in the expressions regarding Michael, Daniel 10:13 and Daniel 10:21.

But the people of God need such powerful help for their deliverance, because that time shall be one of oppression without any parallel. The description of this oppression seems to be based on Jeremiah 30:7 (C. B. Michaelis, Hengstenberg); but that which is there said is here heightened by the relative clause (cf. Joel 2:2), which enlarges the thought, Exodus 9:18, Exodus 9:24. This צרה עת ( time of distress ) is the climax of the oppression which the hostile king shall bring upon Israel, and occurs at the same time as the expiry of the last (the seventieth) week, Daniel 9:26. “The salvation of Israel ( ימּלט ), which is here thought of as brought about under the direction of Michael, coincides essentially with the description, Daniel 7:18, Daniel 7:25., 14, Daniel 9:24.” Thus Kranichfeld rightly remarks. He also rightly identifies the continued victorious deliverance of Israel from the oppression (Daniel 12:1) with the setting up of the Messianic kingdom, described in Daniel 7:2, Daniel 7:9, and finds in this verse (Daniel 12:1) the Messianic kingdom dissolving the world-kingdoms.

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I do not remember Satan or the Beast being a King. A Dictator yes. but, not a king.